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RE: A gorean topic... - 10/25/2005 3:02:04 AM   
MistressDREAD


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LOL ohh how Id like to make feeble comment on this
turned topic but the question asked has allready been lost.

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RE: A gorean topic... - 10/25/2005 10:40:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

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Larry Summers president of the University speaking at a conference trying to address the the disparity of women to men in engineering


Just out of curiosity, what was he doing there? Why was there even such a conference? Who paid for it, and why? Is the disparity betweeen men and women in engineering even something that needs addressing? Are we running out of engineers? Are the commie's female engineers better than ours? What? Who knows why more men go into engineering. Who really cares? One of the first rules of negotiation is that he who sets the agenda (what gets talked about) wins. Who is setting this agenda, anyhow?

Why are 70% of those on the internet still men? I'm sure there must be some socio-political barriers to the internet hotspot at your local Starbuck's that need addressing. Maybe we should have a conference. Ask some University dudes to come and ruminate. Then again, maybe men as a group just like techie stuff better than women as a group do. Maybe that has some bearing on why there are more male engineers.

I'm thinking that some hands simply need not be wrung.


And I would ask you before I answer , why not have a conference about diversity in engineering ? Do you have some problem with people researching things not directly related to fixing some immediate problem o member of the pragmatic builders? Do we ask you why you build shit that doesnt work right? Should we instead be holding conferences wondering why Oracle the company exists ?

the Conference was held by the National Bureau for Economic Research, whose job it is to, you guessed it. The issue on the table at that particular part of the day at the National Bureau for Economic Research conference was the underrepresentation of women at the upper levels of some of the physical sciences and in engineering.

Your issue is they shouldn't be talking about it unless its a problem. Well I would suggest that if people like me didnt talk about it first, there wouldnt be as many women in engineering school as their are now. And why is that? because until we the scribes started talking about it, the builders listened to people like Larry Summers who say stupid shit like "women just dont have the ability to do it" Larry was there because he's president and they thought he knew something about research instead of spouting debunked opinions. (to be fair Lary spent a greater part of that conference contradicting himself. It was an off day)

At some point the truth of a situation is important to discuss whether it brings up uncomfortable realities or not and that is why scribes do what they do.

We don't do your job, we just invented it, know how to do it, why you do it, where you do it, when you do it and who best to replace you with when you stop doing it. We don't do the work, because we're already working on making it obsolete.

If it wasn't for a conference in 1962 the good folks at UCLA wouldnt have developed the THEORY of packet switching and you would be doing something else for a living. They didn't build it they theorised it based on a proposal at a conference. Thats what we do, we discuss knowledge and how to make it better. Now unlike Gor most of us weren't born into the caste and eventually your going to stop doing what you do and come over and start figuring out ways to do it better. Come to the dark(blue) side.


I wonder if people get this is tongue in cheek.

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RE: A gorean topic... - 10/25/2005 11:56:25 AM   
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Hello All,
As I've mentioned in several of the threads I'm not in a Gorean Masters home at this time. My interest in Gor actually came from the rumor spreaders telling all this horrible crap about what Gor stood for in my public dungeon. The statements they kill male slaves period, kill women slaves that displease their Masters, and that slaves are usually only kept a short time then sold without her having any choice were some of the most popular trash running around.
I'm one who wants to form an opinion of my own instead of bashing something I can't even say I understand the protocol of. In my educational journey into what is Gor I've gotten a very different view than the gossip grape vine stated. I find they have no clue what it's really like. Even BDSM Masters who've been around 25 years have no idea how there are so many similarities between our two groups.
As I do have a wonderful Old Guard Master I at this time still choose not to become a slave in Gor yet.
I think the overall honor, integrity & structure of a good Gorean Masters home appeals to me and God forbid, if my Master passed on & I could find a Gorean Master who did like sensation play (which I know is not that common) I could indeed be proud to follow a Gorean Master.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: A gorean topic... - 10/26/2005 3:35:20 PM   
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I will post something I wrote in 2000, which was a few years after I found Gor that sort of explains how I got into it, besides role playing.


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By: Jon The Peasant



And John Norman said, "Let there be Light"

To many of you who know me personally this will be something you have undoubtedly heard before, but for every new adventure you must start at the beginning. You must start where the light came alive the first time. Bare with me as I revisit the last year in Sardaria and my de-evolultion to my current state of being over the coming months. So let the story of my life as Gorean Philosophy follower begin.

Almost if not over a year ago I had come to a crossroads of sorts. I had been Role Playing Gor only in what is commonly referred to as the Commons. Ironic isn't it? The character, my very first, had to be ended and I would have to start again. It had of course ended in an out of character mess that spread through my online and personal life. A slave that was under that character told me about Sardaria and that I would be welcome there. That I would not be judged by what had occurred with my first character. I would be welcome even though I was at that time just a role player. I trusted her, since she is a friend, and went to the Head Honcho. The one the only, thank God, Arius of Treve. We talked and I went through the interview process with Malthius and in time was in, and so that was the beginning of journey to Sardaria. The real adventure would begin later as I talked and grew. The journey many of us are on, discovering one's true self. What you truly are in your heart of hearts. Let us continue.

My times role playing were greatly enjoyed and still to this day memorable. I met many of the denizens of Sardaria and others who shared the love for Gor and the Philosophy. As time went on, a span of a few months, I had decided after much soul searching and thinking and rethinking. I came to realize many surprising things about myself. I began to truly awake from a slumber I had been put in by society's teachings. The light switch was turned on. On that day, the day I decided to take this Philosophy and make it a part of my everyday life, I realized the real journey I had actually long ago begun. It had started from the first time I picked up "Tarnsman of Gor" by John Norman, and continues to this day. This was the true beginning that was recognized later. This was when the light truly came on in my head. This was when a simple writer turned on the light for a person he had never met.

This was not an easy decision, and anyone who thinks it is had best do some rethinking. I had to literally tear myself apart and rebuild myself from the ground up. Taking out one set of taught behaviors and replacing them with another that I found to be true for me. Even now I still have to fight what was taught to me from birth. It is not something to jump into blindly. Nor is it something accepted in today's society. Men being men and women being women is not politically correct. Remember though, anything worth doing is never easy. If it is not a challenge then what would be the purpose of doing it? If it becomes difficult then work all the harder and go to those with whom you can talk and learn from. We all started somewhere and believe it or not, we started all pretty much the same way.

This is just the beginning. There will be more to come as time goes on and I write more of everything that has happened over these past years, and continues everyday. Taking and putting onto a computer the thoughts on my life. My life after the light came on.




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RE: A gorean topic... - 10/26/2005 4:34:58 PM   
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gee and here i thought straight white males 18-45 where falling into the minority?

(but if i say they are vicitminzed by society, oh my....i'll need my boots,lol.)

must just be those that have honor, character and integrity and balls.
(and no this isnt a flame,just an observation) imo

i guess it all boils down to individul perceptions...............

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RE: A gorean topic... - 10/26/2005 4:37:59 PM   
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when i first started reading of Gor...
what kicked my gut into full gear,

was hearing of the slave's belly..........

that was when i decided to quit fighting the submission in me that i had been denying for so long.

the protocol, the rules,

the plain natural order of life made sense to me....

for society in itself is much to chaotic

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RE: A gorean topic... - 11/3/2005 11:24:03 PM   
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I stumbled onto my first Gor book at a used book store, I liked the art on the cover. I didn't even open the book for several weeks. LOL When I did, I couldn't believe what I read, maybe I wasn't alone, maybe there were others that felt as I did. I was given hope. I began to not only search for more of the books, I now have atleast one copy of all but the last two, but for others who felt as I did about life. Happily I have found many through my 52 years. It feels good to know that you are not alone. For the record, I do not follow all of what is in the books, but I have found that much of what I found in them, reflect what I was already living.

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RE: A gorean topic... - 11/3/2005 11:43:26 PM   
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All that was good has not perished...there are many still around who hold true the old ways....where I am from, the south, there is still many with honor, strength, and the ability to fend for themselves....as an old song said, a country boy can servive.

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RE: A gorean topic... - 11/6/2005 5:18:57 AM   
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greetings, this is my first post on these boards in a very long time, but this question has compelled me to come out of my just reading and watching mode to answer:

Personally, i don't know if i identified so much with the women within the gorean books i read -- not sure if i do now either, but instead i found a connection to the Men. Though some may say that in connecting with the Men of Gor i do in fact identify with the females of Gor, but the way i see it lol it was not what drew me to Gor. coming from a society and generation where most "people" seem to be gender neutral, and everyone melded into one gender of what i call completely confused at times lol. what drew me to Gor was the idea that there may be Men in this society that still knew what to do with women and reveled in there own "strength," and no i don't mean Rambos lol, as Men.

I know that is a whole heck of a lot of responsibility on the Men, but i completely believe that a Gorean relationship especially one of Master and slave starts with an action by the Man and in turn the slave emerges as a reaction... its called mastering. So in all reality with my idea, it is the Man's responsibility to initiate what he wishes from a woman.

i wish everyone a good day.

barelynangel

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RE: A gorean topic... - 11/6/2005 5:33:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel
I know that is a whole heck of a lot of responsibility on the Men, but i completely believe that a Gorean relationship especially one of Master and slave starts with an action by the Man and in turn the slave emerges as a reaction... its called mastering. So in all reality with my idea, it is the Man's responsibility to initiate what he wishes from a woman.
barelynangel


As I have mentioned to you before you have some of the greenest emerald eyes I have ever seen....fantastich!!!!!! That being said...

While not just in the realm of Gor... This is a partial reason that many men will read a profile, ignore it and try to elicit a 'correct' response from a female. Of course there are base fellows about that are just hammering away to play a numbers game.....and indeed don't read profiles and don't care..if you stand on the street corner and hit on every lady that walks past, you will be 'slapped in the face' some 50,000 times and 1 will go for it.

Hope this is understood in a friendly sense...

Ron


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For in the final analysis, our most basic common link, is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's futures, and we are all mortal. JFK



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RE: A gorean topic... - 11/6/2005 2:48:18 PM   
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um i wonder how this got political all of the sudden... not to start anything, but a woman can be a strong worker as well as a strong mother.

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RE: A gorean topic... - 11/10/2005 4:04:50 PM   
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quote:

are 70% of those on the internet still men?


well darnnit.. if 70% of those on the internet are men.... where the *beep* are the Masters? *grin* sorry.. 3 day weekend looming brightly.

but seriously... as in all things... weeding through the gunk to get the gold is a major part of the issue.... Question: of that 70%... how many are Masters? Answer: d*mn few (humbly excuse the vowel).

just one unOwned slave's opinion... if not quite humble, at least not shouted. :)

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