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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/4/2008 9:26:38 PM   
Maahsatti


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I suppose a private harangue qualifies as discrete.


Actually, I feel I used quite a bit of restraint and did my level best, not to sound overly harsh or nagging.
lol...I guess some people have certain levels of tolerance


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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/4/2008 9:28:35 PM   
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I'm exceedingly tolerant; I actually took time to read and reply to you, didn't I?

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How-so oft fresh injurious deed
Doth turn Janus' petulant gaze
'pon the rocks and storm rift sea
And littered wood of broken days
disregard for toil shown
no ground broken, no seed sewn.

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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/4/2008 9:31:18 PM   
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Indeed, you did.

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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/5/2008 12:08:24 AM   
Natasi


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ORIGINAL: edana

Thank you, Mistress

I could not claim innocence to 'lashing out'  not even a little bit.   It suprised me is all.   I have always taken care of my children to the best of my ability.   I do though plead guilty to the "slut" accusation.  Although opening my legs for any man will see me sewn shut by the man who ownes me, so, not something i plan to do.
i am just a slave, and weak with the need to please men.  i go home soon tho...   i go about my days with that in my heart to make it easier.

Well wishes to you and yours.


edana my darling,

i know you and your situation.....with that being said,  i kneel in awe and admiration of how Master has guided you and been extrodinary in regards to the um's. you are not perfect and i have yet to meet a perfect slave girl, but i would be delusional if i thought i could do better. your ability and desire to please Men is hardly a flaw and it is wonderful that Master has saddled that so that its direction is pleasing to His needs and desires.

i wish Master and you more than well.

BonDMan's natasi

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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/6/2008 7:52:40 AM   
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Greetings All,

I find it strange to see so many people respond to a girl that behaves unproperly against Bull. Seems to me that people who's opinions matter here all know the girl is out of line, and the same people seem to respect Bull. So I see no need to defend him, infact defending him suggests that he needs our defence and is, in my eyes, even unrespectfull towards Him. I guess what I am trying to say is don't make such a big deal about a girl's outburst.

I wish you well



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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/6/2008 10:07:46 AM   
Quantumm


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ORIGINAL: MarcusofAr

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

I'm not arguing that some men do or don't get it, but so few do that we risk becoming the Mohicans to the girls Dodos.


The question is-- should we attempt to instruct those who don't "get it" and show them the error of their ways?

Or do we simply turn our backs and allow them to wallow and drown in their own weakness, as a fitting punishment for their failure to know better?


Threads that inspire actual thinking are rarer than I prefer so when one appears and I have a moment, I'm grateful to the original poster and often to those who have taken their own valuable time to contribute in meaningful ways.  That said...

This question about taking action vs. not, I think, is the age-old struggle of wisdom against whim.  'Wisdom' sees beyond the self-interest of any particular individual to see the overall effect on the collective system (whether that 'collective' be a family, a neighborhood, a business, a nation, it's government, etc.).  In contrast, 'whim' sees only it's only tiny bubble that oftentimes is defined by a singular question: what's in it for me?

Nothing wrong with a little self-interest UNLESS that self-interest negatively impacts the infrastructure -- the framework, if you will -- and the majority of those who rely on said framework.  As soon as that happens, the force and power of numbers alone will almost certainly dictate the outcome of a struggle, no matter how noble and 'correct' the minority's position my be.

So to get back to the point of the question: 'Should we attempt to instruct the ignorant, or allow them to continue in ignorance?'

It's not really a relevant question as posed.  A more relevant question is: what, specifically, is the desired outcome from any attempt to instruct the ignorant?  Do we want more men to realize their innate masculinity and then to live it throughout society?  I would think this would be the goal, or a very close approximation of it.

Once the goal is clearly stated, we have a 'target' that we can measure our efforts, and their effects, against.  In that measurability comes our focus, and a measure of whether our energy is well-directed and effective, or otherwise.

Okay, I'm drifting a little so to get back on track...

Someone once said, and I believe, that "behind every action there's an intention, and behind every intention there's a belief; if you want to change someone's behavior, you've got to figure out WHY they act as they do, and what BELIEF undergirds their intent."

So what is it, exactly, that demasculated (dare I say, effeminate?) men BELIEVE?  Begin to deconstruct that mental and emotional stew, and we'll have the beginning of relevant facts from which to strategize what it will take to educate and evolve them back into their innate masculinity.

Until then, all of our talking and walking will likely be seen as individual choices in lifestyle and expression, tolerated by others from a sense of "I'll leave you to your ways if you'll leave me to mine."


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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/6/2008 11:34:58 AM   
xBullx


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Greetings Quantumm,

Thoughtful post, and it is appreciated.

I can't speak for Marcus, but I know when I read the part of his posts you quoted, I seen it to mean: Should we allow their own ignorance to consume them and in turn watch them vanish the way of the Dodo? (Does anyone know if I spelled that right?) The dodo in this instance being the men that have given into what we perceive as weakness on their behalf. So basically like Norman would allign with an order of nature they will eventually meet their demise. The question is do we have the patience to wait. Are their men worth saving? Is ignorance or appathy the cause of what we see as short comings. Are we the Mohicans? Is any of this within our control or is evolution beyond our grasp?

So you see the questions are numerous and more often than not women aren't even in the context our male interpersonl equation. Well beyond the fact they smell nice and inspire us fight for supermacy in order to maintain our control over this most fair of creatures.

I am going to ponder on the questions that you proposed as well. So thanks and don't be a witness to our evolution, do participate.

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Live well,

Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: They went the way of the Dodo... - 5/6/2008 2:27:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Quantumm

It's not really a relevant question as posed.  A more relevant question is: what, specifically, is the desired outcome from any attempt to instruct the ignorant?  Do we want more men to realize their innate masculinity and then to live it throughout society?  I would think this would be the goal, or a very close approximation of it.


True. But then... that assumes that it is inherent in the make-up of every human male to actually accept and manifest their innate masculinity, if such were demonstrated to be possible. Which might not be the case.

Some wouldn't want it. Some would refuse to do so. And in certain cases, they might be correct for doing so.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Quantumm

So what is it, exactly, that demasculated (dare I say, effeminate?) men BELIEVE? 


They believe that it is their moral duty to submerge their more masculine traits by assuming a more non-threatening aspect to the female of the species, and that they will be rewarded for doing so by achieving more and better chances to have sexual intercourse with such females.

Too, they exist in a society where the female is commonly allowed to treat them in any manner she wishes, at any time-- no matter how negative that treatment might be-- and one in which the males are punished if they refuse to accept this.

Which is ironic, because at the same time public doctrine is trying to clamp down the lid on masculine male behavior, the very women that the effeminate males pursue are being sexually titillated and attracted by the masculine behavior of those who refuse to surrender their "hunky" maleness. 

I wish you well,

_Marcus_


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