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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 9:42:10 AM

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Grins,one can feel that way in the presence of "attention sluts" at times.

Just having something to say does not always make it WORTH saying.

Especially when it is intended to divert attention away from more interesting ones.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 10:27:14 AM

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But how is this different from the human experience? I mean even gorean masters must realize that it behooves them sometimes to shut up and listen, or not get too deep into something?

I didn't say that it was different than the human experience... I would point out to you that most of us have had to sit back and listen to what others have to say, wether we like it or not. (work, school, military etc...) I was just explaining that this is how I handle it in my household... she does speak her mind, but at more appropriate times (not while I am conducting business at the house). This is the lifestyle that we both agreed upon when she received my collar, and is a mutual agreement. I do not and have no expectations of somebody not in this lifestyle to follow my rules or customs. I show all people the same respect that I expect in return, and normally receive it. On occassion (mostly online) I am surprised by attacks of my character strictly because of a reference to Gor near my name. Indeed it is alot easier to judge somebody here based on conceptiions of what Gor is or is not.... And I dare say that even amongst most that choose the philosophy or ideals that we all have made changes of it to fit our own personal beliefs. So there will never be complete agreement about every topic... Except one that I can think of. Men and women are different. I am not saying that from a dominant perspective I am just stating the obvious, just as there are many differences between different men. Take it as you want, I can accept you for being who you are. The question is can you accept me for what I am?

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 1:29:40 PM

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Tal,

In responding to you LAM....I have run across these types of people all the time here on CM and other forums as well in r/t.......take for instance that when my kajira announced that she was branded with my mark she recieved a deluge of email in criticizim for her choices as well as those that were the knights in shining armor coming to sweep her away from me a cruel Master because I am Gorean.....we all carry a stigmata because of our way of life here and many other places............I see what krys is saying that what she has experienced the feminist movement within BDSM......I think that we all see it.........but if that is your choice to participate then be happy with it..........I havent a problem within the BDSM community and they way they play...........Leonidas is correct that we dont play we are real and live this 24/7 and that tends to upset a bigger majority of people that have based their lifestyle choices upon playing in a scene..........

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 1:40:34 PM

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Welcome back Six.

Someone once made a statement that made me laugh.....

She said "Barbie is the ultimate feminist,in her world,ken is just a dickless accesory."

I get the same vibes coming from the feminist contingent in the bdsm scene as well-the men are just there as sex toys. "Subs have all the power."

Kinda makes one wonder exactly WHAT sort of games they play-and exactly who is on the humiliation end of the stick.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 1:57:09 PM

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Everyone is reacting to the issue of sexism and grandiosely asserting their right not to buy into the morals of the mainstream.

No one is responding to the criticism that Leonidas's answer wasn't satisfactory even if you ARE an big bold anti-feminist. Someone gave the example of males talking about childbirth. Childbirth? Please. The original question had to do with the historical sources that were used in composing the Gor series. If you really believe that's a subject that women, by their biological make-up, aren't fit to talk about, then you're on your own planet. Someone else gave the example of a yapping terrier and a master's right to tell a slave to stuff it. Well, she wasn't yapping like a terrier--and the response didn't come from her master, anyway.

Go on, people, enjoy yourselves with this topic. All the neutral observers have already decided that the Goreans are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 2:04:49 PM

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I thought you were done..Couldn't resist,could you?

(And the point wasn't about couldn't. It was about, didn't WANT to.)

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 3:23:49 PM

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Yeah, I'm done. There's not going to be a meeting of the minds here.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 3:45:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
The original question had to do with the historical sources that were used in composing the Gor series. If you really believe that's a subject that women, by their biological make-up, aren't fit to talk about, then you're on your own planet.

The original post in question had to do with men living by a Gorean caste system. The girl in question was told that as a female slave she was (a) not expected to live by a Gorean male code of honor and (b) the response that he gave her may not resonate with her, as she is a slave girl, and was a conversation probably better had among men. Because the subject at hand was a man's outlook on his career and male pride. Not that she was not biologically unfit to discuss it, but biologically disinclined to relate on a "man to man" level. Much like my childbirth example earlier.

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Go on, people, enjoy yourselves with this topic. All the neutral observers have already decided that the Goreans are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Not arguing for the sake of arguing, attempting to put the gross mischaracterizations into perspective.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 3:47:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: JustaTop

Welcome back Six.

Someone once made a statement that made me laugh.....

She said "Barbie is the ultimate feminist,in her world,ken is just a dickless accesory."

I get the same vibes coming from the feminist contingent in the bdsm scene as well-the men are just there as sex toys. "Subs have all the power."

Kinda makes one wonder exactly WHAT sort of games they play-and exactly who is on the humiliation end of the stick.

You reminded me of something I came across awhile back.... Thanks for the memory, I will share it here.kajira barbie

Enjoy it in the spirit it is meant

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 3:56:35 PM

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I almost fell off of my chair reading that!

Thanks,I needed a laugh today.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 4:20:38 PM

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Glad I could be of service... and like I said you had reminded me of it...so I had to share.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 5:59:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

You reminded me of something I came across awhile back.... Thanks for the memory, I will share it here.kajira barbie

Enjoy it in the spirit it is meant

Now this is a hoot! We have a kajira who would -love- one!

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 6:30:01 PM

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Thanks for the welcome back my friend it was an exhausting trip to california...this thread make me think of alot of things.....that and I reread the Outlaw of Gor again and found many similiarties in the city of tharna and the BDSM movement especially some of the Dommes that I have known or met through the years......vile...lmao.......its good to see you here as well still posting about the truth of the matter at hand.....

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 7:29:27 PM

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I think power mad women are even more vile than power mad men.

At the same time,I know Decent dommes as well-it's all highly variable.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 7:46:52 PM

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I agree with you...even some males do tend to become power mad......cant count the number of times I have seen some of them go down in flames over their power madness.....there is a way to be in power and know what the ones in below you may feel and what is generally the "right" choice to make about thier well being......this lifestyle encompasses more than the taking away the rights of the women we enslave.......we care for them...teching them to become more than just some sexula slut that is fun to play with at our whim.....although that is a perk of being a Master....but on a real note life comes first and for me personally I like a freak in the sheets and a lady in the streets....a well trained kajira is well spoken and she is well behaved in and out of the bedroom........she prides herself on becoming the best at what she has been trained to accomplish whether it is in the bedroom or she is just serving a Master's freinds at a social meeting with those of like minds........as far as the OP's statement I would supose she does have the last word although the statement was made correctly it was "yes Master".....but to rememeber this dosent mean she has any type of power in the relationship....

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 7:55:42 PM

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I always saw a slave more or less as a junior partner in the job of life.

Power mad is when you think otherwise-and delusional is when a fantasy construct becomes so REAL to you, that you simply cannot see allowing it to flex along with the lives you lead.

I wish you well Six.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 8:22:08 PM

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LAM,

This isnt the fact of the thought you entertain that im some anti-feminist.....I do regard some women a little different than others...this meaning if they are free women or slaves.......I dont agree with the bra burners at all but this is neither here nor there.....the fact remains that most of us that are Gorean are regarded as having no compassion about a woman's well being......that we treat all women the same....take note what I said in the above statement about if they are free or not.....this is the difference in the treatment a wona may or may not recieve from me...........and I know that I have head a head knocking with alot of others about my beliefs that in the BDSM world of doing things that the women/subs are in control there....we can sit here and argue that SSC is what we all live by but let us not read more into it than what it appears to be...........this dosent give a woman/sub any control and I have seen lots and lots of them use this as a means to control their situation.......ill probably get flamed for that remark but the truth hurts sometimes.....if ya do like i have many times and just read throgh the threads in the submissive section....there is one there referring to shopping for a Dom....kinda reminded me of the women of Tharna.....the Doms are the ones on the silver platter so to speak for the submissives to choose and pick from......the limits they set for you guys are a bit absurd in my opinion but then again im Gorean not a Dom........I hope that maybe I cvan shed a little light in your direction about the difference between BDSM and Gor.......I have nothing against them and I dont dislike them in any way...I just refuse to be put on a silver platter for the picking.....I am Gorean Master I do the picking and the setting of what will be and what wont be.....im just a sane,safe and consentual as the next guy that has been around the block many a times in this lifestyle....I just have chosen not to compete with the rest of the crowd by giving in much like the men of Tharna............

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 8:32:17 PM

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The fact is,subs have no power whatsoever if they are not desired.

The ONLY reason they have power is that weak men tolerate being made to jump through hoops like horny little trained poodles, in search of kinky sex.

"dominants" indeed.

Wanders away laughing derisively....

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 9:12:53 PM

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Indeed... very nicely put. They are just male slaves with a title....

but to each their own.... I won't cast judgement on something I cannot understand.

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RE: a slave has the final word... - 10/21/2005 9:17:33 PM

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I know Thadeus,kink is a strange world. Everything is confused and topsy turvy there-anything goes,and nothing REALLY means..............

anything...........
at .........
all....

I DO understand it,and wish I did not.

Whatever..................

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