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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 8:49:24 AM

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Cut for me, i couldn't be with a guy who was uncut. i don't want all that extra skin to have to pull back.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 8:56:42 AM

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uncut...because that means my dildo or vib isnt scratched/broken.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 8:57:00 AM

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Mist, I'm not denigrating you for having your boys circumcised, my opinion differs greatly with yours and I agree with Meat that circumcision infringes on individual autonomy but we don't live in perfect societies and we, as parents, make choices for our children until they are of an age to do so themselves. However, putting that aside, I think the issue is that people go into hospital in the US and give birth and circumcision is done as a matter of course - it's the 'done thing' with little thought applied to why. Ask 30 people why they think circumcision is better and most will say 'b/c uncut cock stinks'. In other words, it is still stereotyped as being unclean - uncut = poor hygiene, which as we know isn't the case, although may be in a minor percentage.

With fewer and fewer people subscribing to a religion, would it be fair to say circumcision has mostly become a tradition?

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 8:59:32 AM

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their parents made it for them for religious reason, socialization or grounds of pure ignorance.

and you have heard personally from every single parent in America who has had their son circumsized which is why you have the right to speak for them

You tell me why parents have their male children circumcized?

You just proved my point. You do not have a clue why our choices are made...yet you feel you have the right to assume you do.

I'll put it to you, RELIGIOUS IGNORANCE. The origin of circumcision in western society was the importation of middle east religions. The US being more religious than the largely secular Europe is the reason why so many parents in the US circumcise their male children and Europeans don't.

It was religious nuts that introduced the idea of it being a health based issue because they were being shown up as ignorant. (Sort of like creationist introducing intelligent design into the argument against evolution). If it wasn't for religion, there wouldn't even be a discussion about circumcision. All the arguments about health and preference are rationalizations of a point of view and have nothing of substance to do with the issue. The issue is one of child abuse and mutilation through religious ignorance.

Yes, child abuse. Fucking your daughter would be acceptable if enough people did it and it was sanctified by the church, synagogue or mosque.

ahh...so those of us who have our male offspring circumsized are ignorant religious nuts. Well, gee... I never knew that.

Let me tell you something Sweetie. When my husband and i discussed circumsizing our son i cannot recall, for the life of me, your name ever crossing our lips. YOU WERE NOT CONSULTED. Our reasons were not explained to you and, as much as it may hurt your fragile ego, you right to tell us why our decision was made is totally negated.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:04:25 AM

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We all have our crosses to bear, Northy. Dickcheese or menstrual blood, humanity's been swimming in bodily fluids forever.

'Not convinced this is a pawn a piece.....

I'm been close enough to a few women to be open with regard to these matters.....not once have I been told I have an odour issue......then again, they know I'm the sort of sneaky fucker who would quite happily take it on board, cultivate a week's cheese build up, and enforce a sustained dose of (cheese) salts......so they might have thought better of it......

Maybe it's an English thing.....there was a study done a while ago and apparently the English spend far more on personal hygiene products (per person) than other nations.....possibly a legacy of English Protestantism when in the 15th century anyone caught with a speck of cheese on their bell end, was emotionally compelled to repent by sitting on a spike at the dinner table for the next two years.......today, the culture is ingrained and every Englishman furiously scrubs his cock until it bleeds twice a day to avoid the odour....

But, you're spot on, we all have our cross to bear.......and one woman's cheese repellent is another woman's cock-sucking paradise........

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:05:45 AM

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Just to be clear, my decision to circumcise my boys didn't have a damn thing to do with religion. ....and I do take issue with the child abuse reference

Just because some of us have made decisions that don't match what you think is right doesn't give you the right to label us all as ignorant, child abusing, religious zealots.

As I pointed out, the origin of circumcision in the west is through middle east religions and has nothing to do with medical reasons which at best are equivical and at worst, a total red herring. I would imagine that the prevalance in America of circumcision if it is not religious then it is through socialization since all the medical arguments are spurious.

Circumcizing a female is child abuse because it is unnecessary mutilation and designed to interfer with sexual pleasure for cultural reasons and so is circumcizing a male, though it now appears to be largely cultural habit much as religious.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:06:25 AM

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Yep hotty, I agree absolutely. I can't imagine women being "horrified" by the sight of a natural sexy man. Good grief.

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Either or is fine w/me as long as the man is hygenic. I've had both, cut/uncut, clean/not so clean. I prefer CLEAN...cut/uncut is not an issue.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:09:46 AM

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Let me tell you something Sweetie. When my husband and i discussed circumsizing our son i cannot recall, for the life of me, your name ever crossing our lips. YOU WERE NOT CONSULTED. Our reasons were not explained to you and, as much as it may hurt your fragile ego, you right to tell us why our decision was made is totally negated.

I should have been because I would have told you what the right decision was.

Hey, if my ego was so fragile I would get myself circumcised but hey, I'm not going to let my ego get in the way of me and my foreskin.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:09:58 AM

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thank god i am not religious!...wait can i do that??if im not religious?

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:10:52 AM

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though it now appears to be largely cultural habit much as religious.

whoa...your response to me was it was due strictly to "religious ignorance".

You are jumping around more than a pauper in a pay toilet.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:14:00 AM

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though it now appears to be largely cultural habit much as religious.

whoa...your response to me was it was due strictly to "religious ignorance".

You are jumping around more than a pauper in a pay toilet.

Religious ignorance leads to cultural habit which is also ignorance through not asking questions about why something is done.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:15:31 AM

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Along with the drs, we decided not to have my son circumcized about 21 years ago. The cleanliness factor isn't really an issue anymore. I realize that is entirely a subjective opinion, & if not taken care of properly, dire consequenses could occur. I couldn't see doing it just because it was the norm & because religions thought it was the thing to do, or because it was traditional. I didn't want my boy being cut & his father agreed.

I taught my son how to clean his as soon as he was able to coordinate a washcloth, as I did my girls. He is now over 21. He is pretty verbal & open with me about certain topics. Judging from what he has told me, "His bitches" don't seem to have minded at all. He has had a couple serious relationships. The girls don't appear to have any problems at all with his physical attributes.

I have since learned that cutting off the foreskin takes away some of a man's sensitivity. An uncircumsized male will not have to pull in & out as hard because they are able to fully enjoy and experience the sensitiviy they are supposed to from intercourse. They don't have to resort to pounding all the time to try to compensate for what they don't know they are supposed to feel & aren't.

I have often heard couples going at it. I could hear the pounding as the bed creaked in time to the act, or banged rythmically on the wall, over & over, & over & over ........again..... for what seemed like hours. Sometimes, I have asked myself, even though, it isn't polite to do so, how the hell the poor woman could enjoy that. Some repeated banging can be fun. I know for me, I can only deal with so much of that, then I zone out, sometimes even drying out.

They say an uncircumcized male will naturally fall into tune with the woman's own rythyms, gently. I know. I know. Alot of us like it a little rough from time to time, but I know for me, there are times, I enjoy the delicious gentle & sensuous movements of any partner I have been with & crave that as much as the other.

I think the benefits might be worth it to any woman who thinks they may be turned off by being with an uncircumcized male. I know, I for one, wouldn't let that be a dealbreaker. Actually, I think it might be fun to explore the possibilities.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:15:49 AM

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Got to go. The sun is shining and the women will be down by the harbour, haldf undressed or even less and I'm going to pull my foreskin over my head and whistle down the hole just to impress them.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:16:31 AM

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me and my foreskin.

There must be a poem in this.....

Oh foreskin!, Oh mighty protector of the sheath!,
Why doth thou come in for such criticism from the spiteful, cut hordes and their admirers?
For they know nothing of what it means to be the coveted jewel in the genetalia crown,
Ne'er fret foreskin, they can all just fuck off.

A poem, by M Cleaver, drafted in consultation with a prized possession.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:17:22 AM

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Got to go. The sun is shining and the women will be down by the harbour, haldf undressed or even less and I'm going to pull my foreskin over my head and whistle down the hole just to impress them.

stay downwind.....

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:18:16 AM

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me and my foreskin.

There must be a poem in this.....

Oh foreskin!, Oh mighty protector of the sheath!,
Why doth thou come in for such criticism from the spiteful, cut hordes and their admirers?
For they know nothing of what it means to be the coveted jewel in the genetalia crown,
Ne'er fret foreskin, they can all just fuck off.

A poem, by M Cleaver, drafted in consultation with a prized possession.

Good idea. I'm going to work on that and lyrics to the tune of Me And My Shadow.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:19:50 AM

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Cut

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:21:41 AM

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Got to go. The sun is shining and the women will be down by the harbour, haldf undressed or even less and I'm going to pull my foreskin over my head and whistle down the hole just to impress them.

stay downwind.....

They're European (Hmm one American adopted) and really don't go in for the smell bullshit which is just another rationalization.

You do know you denied your boys the sexual stimulation the foreskin is designed for? That is the point, it is a functioning part of the male genitals.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:27:03 AM

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Seeing as to the bad feeling this discussion is causing, would it not be better that a new born aside from medical reasons be left uncut. Whence the male is of an age to have a say then the procedure may be discussed. Until that time the onus should be on proper cleanliness rituals to observe.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/5/2008 9:30:29 AM

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Seeing as to the bad feeling this discussion is causing, would it not be better that a new born aside from medical reasons be left uncut. Whence the male is of an age to have a say then the procedure may be discussed. Until that time the onus should be on proper cleanliness rituals to observe.

I don't know Aneirin I found it easier that I was a baby when I had chickenpox and measles.

I wouldn't choose to get cut not even if there were more rational reasons for it than mentioned above.

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