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Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 10:23:01 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		Hi everyone,

As I'm sure most of you know, I'm an American living in Australia on a visa so I can't currently work.  While it drives me absolutely crazy sometimes, it's also made the aspect of financial slavery a non issue.  In 6 months however, that might change, and I've been thinking about this all night after a conversation I had earlier with my Master.

My problem is that when I am able to get a job, I honestly don't know (and highly doubt) whether I will be able to give my Master my paychecks and be completely financially dependent in that way.  Let me first of all explain that he hasn't asked or implied that I would do so, so this might be a nonissue, and that I also have no problem whatsoever with contributing equally to household expenses or even having to ask permission before buying anything.  I don't mind at all if he controls my money, so long as it is in my account.

The one thing that makes this such an obstacle for me is the fact that we aren't married, or even engaged.  Without any genuine permanent commitment, I feel obliged to plan for 'my' future rather than 'our' future - and I know for a fact he does the same.  We might think of 'our' future with regards to next month or next year, but I know when he envisions himself 30 years from now, I'm not in the picture.  I'm not necessarily OUT of the picture, just not automatically included.

And there's also the grim reality that there is legally nothing stopping him from throwing me out on the street with nothing.  I know that he would never break up with me like that...but what if I wanted to break up with him?  What if I came home one day and said "this isn't working for me and I think I should move out" or even worse "I've met someone who I want to pursue things with." I might be 99% certain that things would end smoothly but the survival instinct in me makes the 1% chance that it won't seem equally likely.  My own mother threw me out of the house with nothing when I was 17 because I got suspended from high school (and because she's kinda chemically nuts) - what's to stop a man from doing the same if I hurt his ego by ending things first?

So those are my thoughts...I guess I'm looking for feedback.  For the slaves out there who are not married to your Master, how do you deal with this situation.  Or for those of you who are married how did you deal with it before you had that commitment?  And for the Masters, what are your expectations in this regard?

Thanks ahead of time for your answers :)

Soshi




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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 10:56:37 AM   
Hiskajirah


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Status: offline 		Greetings soshi

May I ask why you call him Master then if you feel there is no commitment? Since you are recognizing him as your Master how can you withhold your paychecks? I don't consider this financial slavery. You mention that there would be nothing stopping him from throwing you out on the street with nothing and then go on to say you know he would never break up with you like that, but what if you wanted to break up with him? It seems by your own words that your relationship is more of a boyfriend/girlfriend type thing than a Master and slave. A slave keeps nothing from her Master. It seems too you are lacking total trust. Almost as if you already do not trust him or it would be hard for you to feel this way.

I've been my Master's property 22 years next month. All the income I ever earned while working was his as well. I have never had to worry about going without, but I'm also low maintanence, I don't need much, ask for much, and the smallest things... a 99 cent lip gloss makes me really happy. We also brought up a family. I have not worked for nearly 8 years, he has supported me fully, just bought me a house. The reason I say he bought me a home and not his own exclusively is because he said "Whatever you want, baby", I picked it, he liked it too and it was purchased. Am I worried that he will take it away from me? Not a bit. Could he take it if he wanted to? Absolutely. He's given me other things he's gifted me and allowed me to retain as property, several dot coms, groups, etc. He gives me alot, but in the end he can tug it back, suspend my use of things, and so on. This is his right and these would be his choices. He is Master and I am slave.

"He is Master and I am slave.
He is owner and I am owned.
He is to be pleased and I am to please.
Why is this?
Because he is Master and I am slave."
~Explorers

You mentioned to plan for your future rather than the future of the two of you together. By saying this, it implies you are putting yourself above him. And this is not the nature of a slave.

I'm not putting you down as a person, I'm only wondering how your relationship is a... He is Master and you are slave...(or maybe you are not a slave, but he is called Master) is all. If I've somehow misunderstood, I do apologize.

Wishing you well,
~twinkle

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 1:03:00 PM   
MansStrength


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Status: offline 		To  each their own. I will say it is posts such as these that make me ever more hesitant to trust women who so easily use the word slave.
To me it means property. To many of them-and too many of them- it’s a kinky "relationship." Sort of like getting deeply involved with a teenager or a girl in her early twenties fulfilling her “bad boy” growth period in breaking from Mom and Dad conventional morals. I have btter things to do.

I could marry a Doc or a business woman who are both into rough sex and my charming ways tomorrow. I don’t want a girlfriend. Finding a bitch who knows what it means to be on her knees and wants nothing more than to thrive under a leash and lash, is a process best done slowly. And to answer the initial post. The first thing I would do is burn all her clothes, take all her paperwork, and have her enter my home, nude. It is also how she will leave unless I say otherwise.
If I have her work she will have her check deposited in my account and never see it. I own her, I own the work of her hands. Her company is renting her hours from me. It would be the same if I choose to whore her out every once in a while, the same way I’d get paid for the rental or a horse.
It’s slavery.
Period
I wonder what kind of "Commitment" my dog was looking for when I bought him?

But I'm not the "relationship" police am I?  Everyon is making their own way. But calling a relationship- slavery- when it's a submissive girlfriend sort of thing doesn't change the definition of the word.
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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 3:55:30 PM   
Karynn


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Status: offline 		Soshi,

For some, there is an instant sense of surrender, totally complete and all right now. This seems difficult for me to even comprehend but I've heard of it, almost like love at first sight, except Master at first sight. Then for many others, I've heard that surrender to them came in stages. Maybe Mastery does as well. Maybe it is a learning process for some M/s pairs. You have a Master you call Master, yet you have shared some things here that sound like you're unsure about that totality of slavery when it comes to money. I know you also shared that it is something you think your Master is reasoning through in his own mind. If he doesn't find issue in any of what you said, then the rest of the point is moot. It is possible, perhaps even probable, that as his own understanding of your relationship deepens and lengthens, he'll take more from you naturally, simply because he is Master and you are slave. It may just be you fall into the evolotion relationship instead of the instant.

I think it is likely that most people do fall into the evolution of relationships vs. instantaneous.
My best,
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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 6:17:54 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		greetings soshi,

I think you will be able to give him your paycheck because deep down you do trust him. I think the thought of it is just scaring you , Master Phantomop has 'made' me do all kinds of things I never thought I could and was too scared to even contemplate trying.

Obviously it is Master SF's decision but I think it is a good idea for him to have an account in your name. Not having money won't keep you at his feet if you really don't want to be there and having money in an account for you could come in handy if something terrible happened to him.

I have begged Master PO to consider taking out a life insurance policy on himself, since the career I was in took a backseat since becoming owned by him and I don't have it to fall back on like I did before I met him.

The way I have dealt with things like this is to beg permission to talk to him and sat down and explained my feelings and fears to him. He is so awesome he has always helped me work through them.

well wishes
kisshou

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 6:25:55 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Hi soshi,

Your post sounds like you want absolutes, in a world that can only offer possibilities.  

We cannot have absolutes when planning the future, there are factors way out of our reach that make that impossible.  Ask those thousands who have lost loved ones in the recent China quake. 

What your master dictates may not be how the gorean down the block runs his home, if it works for him, thats all that matters.   Some men set up an insurance policy so that if things don't work, the woman is taken care of...others believe she leaves with the clothes on her back and little else.   These are things to be hashed out between you and the one whose collar you wear.   If your paycheck is demanded at some later time and you find it intolerable, that could be the relationship killer, or not.   My point to all of this is that some things are best left to  those involved and no one else.  

And about that 30 year plan...remember, the ONLY thing we can control in the future is not to make the same mistakes from the past.  Other then that, don't be surprised with what life throws at you.

Lisa





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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 6:48:25 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		Hello xoxi,

I was a little taken aback to see a thread called "Financial Slavery" in here.  That's usually the province of fem doms and men who like to give them money "just 'cause", and usually without much in return but a kick in the balls and a "go bring me more money bitch".  Nice work if you can get it.  I was thinking maybe your master was thinking of dressing you up in a bustier and sending you out to hunt online "money slaves" so that he could retire.

What you're describing doesn't sound much like Gorean slavery at all.  Sounds like, in reality, you're a girlfriend in a collar who is looking to make a deal.  Gorean slaves don't get to barter themselves for a suitable legal "commitment".  They submit themselves as property, the end.  Yes the "grim reality" is that there is nothing stopping their masters from booting them to the curb, except, of course, for how well they please him and how vaulable they are to him.  If you're looking for financial and legal leverage, you're in a different kind of arrangement more along the lines of what we'd call a free companionship.  Just cause you're sexually submissive doesn't mean you are, or ought to be, a slave.  Sounds like you have no intention of being, but you're willing to wear the collar and aquiesce to certain of his demands if suitable exchanges are made.  That isn't slavery as we understand it.  Nothing wrong with that, but when you ask for feedback from "slaves" you're going to find that to most of the slave girls here, your question doesn't make a lot of sense.  You'd be better off asking the free women.








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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 6:49:32 PM   
MontrealPhoenix


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Status: offline 		Greetings soshi,
 
I agree with twinkle. To my way of thinking, when a slave accepts or begs a collar, everything she owns including herself becomes her Master's property, not just what she picks and chooses. I can understand your reluctance to let go and give all to your Master.  It's hard to let go and trust which is why a slave needs to know her Master well enough to believe and trust that he will take good care of her.
 
There are no guaranttees in this life and that includes being collared. It's scary but only if there isn't that trust. Only you can know if it's right and i can see how that would be hard and scary. But i do believe you will know when/if it's right, your slave belly will tell you.
 
be well,
 
phoenix

edited to remove stupidity *rolls eyes*

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 7:21:04 PM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		Thank you all for posting.  There is a reason I posted this here instead of in the BDSM column, and it's because I've found more women here who genuinely live in a state of absolute slavery.

Your posts have given me quite a bit to think about and I only pray when the time comes to discuss this that I am able to deal with it.

Thanks :)


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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 7:44:49 PM   
charlotteS


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Status: offline 		Hi xoxi,

I have been struggling with similar issues.  I can see how the Goreans are calling this a non-Gorean topic but it was actually a Gorean Free Companion that helped put some of this into perspective for me so I thought I would post a quick reply here.

A wise woman bluntly told me that my future is no longer mine to protect.  I was trying to hang onto a an out, some sort of safety net which meant that I was still at least in one tiny part of me a free woman.  I was scared but as this
Free Woman spoke to me I felt the peace that comes with hearing something that you know to be true.  I don't want my future to be mine to protect.  If I did I would have begged the collar of a different man.  Perhaps you truly don't want to turn over your money, you want to hang on to a level of independence which is certainly not a bad thing but if you are simply struggling with what you know in your heart to be the inevitable, (complete helplessness) then hopefully you can find some comfort knowing that there is at least one other girl who struggles with the same thing.  Oh goodness I want to have zero rights so badly but the more that reality becomes clear to me the more I fight...I never knew I could fight so hard sometimes.  As little by little the independent woman in me loses the fight I find myself more and more at peace.   She (the independent woman I had started to become out of necesity) just needs to proof that she can't win or manipulate or hold any power.  Then she relaxes and feels more like a woman than ever before.  I don't think a survival instinct is a bad thing for a slave to have. I think that analyzing it and saying that just because the slave has the instinct to try to secure a future for herself means that she should be allowed to do that is where we can go wrong.

Best of luck with finding peace with this issue.  Feel free to contact me on the other side.

warm wishes,

charlotte  

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 7:45:31 PM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: xoxi


So those are my thoughts...I guess I'm looking for feedback.  For the slaves out there who are not married to your Master, how do you deal with this situation.  Or for those of you who are married how did you deal with it before you had that commitment?  And for the Masters, what are your expectations in this regard?

Thanks ahead of time for your answers :)

Soshi





I am married to Himself but that doesn't afford me a guarentee that I'm in some sort of safe haven from being kicked to the curb. It just means that there will probably have to be some lawyers involved to untie the legal knot we share. I have to say that I actually disagree with Leonidas as well. Being pleasing and valuable is not a guarentee that one will be kept either. Being pleasing to him makes it more likely I'll be kept, but there are never assurances when it comes to human interactions and it really doesn't matter what self-imposed label you wear. I have this moment and I'm grateful for this moment. In this moment, all I have is his and you can put a period on that because there is no .. ifs, unless' or buts to that sentence. I have no idea what future moments will bring. I'm prepared to deal with them, however. My security doesn't come from a bank book balance, it comes from my own inner strength and ability. Those will always be with me and if I get kicked to the curb tomorrow at sunrise, I'll do what I have to in order to survive and hopefully thrive. Financial security lets you buy stuff. I'm more than capable of acquiring stuff all on my own. Belonging to Master though.. ::queue MasterCard music:: is priceless.

Celeste


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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 8:16:19 PM   
MasterEros


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Status: offline 		Greetings soshi:

Your concerns are not uncommon with most females who are yearning to belong to a man and at the same time finds herself with mixed emotions when she considers being fully owned. When all is said and done you are the one who has to live with your choices made in your walk.

I acknowledge many claim that a "slave" has no other choice than to submit and be fully owned and if a female who claims to be a "slave" does not submit and if she believes she is able to choose to submit then she is a "submissive". I disagree with this simplistic idealogy. We live on EARTH. Not Gor! Women are/were NOT raised as the fictional women of Lange/Jn in his writings on Gor. One can read the Books and re-read the Books.

However EARTH is not the same as a fictional planet known as Gor where men and women relate in ways that are foreign to the majority of people here on EARTH.

So NO, you are not the odd one out or otherwise due to your reserved inquisitive approach. You are a female who has lived her life on EARTH , in fact for your entire life, and this in and of itself constitutes more questions to explore than what you have expressed in your posting.

So it goes there are opinions that will differ. That is fine. However I do not find your honest words and emotional reserved mannerrism regarding giving your money to any man that holds all of the power over you and could set you out in a moments notice lacking valid questioning.

Follow your heart and never compromise what you know to be true for you. Obviously you more than likely know this. You seem to be an intelligent young woman who is finding her way amidst her hearts desires and the shadows of her past.

Who among the living have not wrestled with questions as you presented and other questions that deserve honest and forthright discussion? Humanity demands this of us Humans who choose to live genuinely that is, Gorean or not! Obviously I am not attempting to sway you one way or the other.

I am just saying...

I am sure you will comprehend your way and follow your path after all you are a thinker, which is a valuable quality, very much so.

AH'O

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 8:34:24 PM   
abqowner


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Status: offline 		Soshi,

This is such a difficult topic.  But at the same time - it's pretty simple too.  (gee, don't you hate it when things start that way?)

Of course you bring up excellent and practical concerns.  If you do turn your finances along with everything else over to a potential Master, then of course there's nothing stopping him from spending every dime, tossing you onto the street with nothing or who knows what.

However, I think it goes a little deeper.  If there's a trust issue with something like finances, would you let a guy like that tie you up?  Especially (heaven forbid) with a whip in his hand?

It all comes down to trust.  You have to trust your future owner.  But also, you have to trust yourself.  And really, the second is a bit more important than the first.  For example, I can say (and I do say, actually) to a potential slave "you have no access to your funds.  I won't spend them, but you can't have them."  And I mean it.  I've done that for years.  It's not an issue of stripping someone of their cash - but rather depriving them of any aspect of control.  I know you can trust me.  I also know that nothing but time will show that to you - you'll have to jump blind then find out later that my word is good.

So.  Do you trust yourself?  Can you pick someone that's worthy of the trust?  Because honestly, if you get a good owner, it should be the last decision you have to make.  Can you live with the consequences if you pick wrong?

I'm NOT trying to defend some yahoo bastard who lives to rip off an honest slave.  And sometimes a slave can negotiate a legal contract which protects their tangible assets for the future.  But to really experience slavery, there can't be a "MY future" or even an "OUR future".  Only a "HIS future. A slave is, by definition, an owned object.  And then you gotta trust yourself to have made the right decision.  If the doubt remains... was it the right decision?

I truly wish you the best of luck in this. 

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 9:05:08 PM   
xoxi


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I am married to Himself but that doesn't afford me a guarentee that I'm in some sort of safe haven from being kicked to the curb. It just means that there will probably have to be some lawyers involved to untie the legal knot we share. I have to say that I actually disagree with Leonidas as well. Being pleasing and valuable is not a guarentee that one will be kept either. Being pleasing to him makes it more likely I'll be kept, but there are never assurances when it comes to human interactions and it really doesn't matter what self-imposed label you wear.


Heh.  Isn't that the truth.
I guess the money is just the form that the problem is taking this week.  I have a serious fear of abandonment and it's even harder when I'm in the position of being a slave.

I love him and he doesn't love me, I need him and he doesn't need me, I'll do anything he fucking asks and he won't even kiss me if I beg for it.

I guess I'm just trying to hold some part of myself in reserve so I don't feel as pathetic and needy.  I'm not used to being dependent, I'm used to being very, very self sufficient and things are starting to wear me down.  My whole life revolves around him...I wakeup when he wants me up, I'm home when he wants me home (though the few times I came home late he didn't even raise an eyebrow...go figure), I have nothing of my own here besides my bunny rabbit and even then it's his money that got her, her cage, her food, etc.

I've talked to a woman at the thrift store I go to about volunteering, and he said I have permission to do it a few days a week.  I'm hoping that will get me out of this rut, because it's not fair to him for me to be so needy.

It's funny...most guys think they would be in heaven if they had a girl whose life revolved around them...but the reality of having a chick at home all day with no job, no friends, and no life is that when he gets home I'm always begging for attention while he just wants to unwind.  He's worked all day and wants to be able to chill, I've been bored all day and want some attention.

Eh...enough with the Dr. Phil stuff...you all are absolutely wonderful and I thank each an every one of you for telling me what I needed to hear.  Master's going through a lot of stress at work and I really don't want to add another weight to his shoulders...I'm really so grateful that I can discuss this kind of stuff here.

<3 <3 <3,
Soshi

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/13/2008 11:07:24 PM   
Usako


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Status: offline 		I'm not into the whole "Gorean" biz nor the idea of giving up EVERYTHING to someone...but the title seemed amusing.

I'm confused as to why you want to be a slave at all. You say you're used to being able to take care of yourself and now it sounds like you live in a cage. It would personally drive me nuts to give and give to someone and not get back what I deserve in return.

I would personally suggest not handing over your total paycheck to him or any man/woman. Nothing lasts forever, not even being married can ensure that. I think as a human being you owe yourself the right to have a back up plan if things turn sour.

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/14/2008 6:08:14 AM   
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I think being enslaved is a lot like giving birth, you tend to forget how painful and hard it is sometimes after you have been through it. I find myself just wanting to say soshi in the future you are dead, the future is the providence of owners, they can plan for it, they can alter us to fit into it, and so on but we, as property must live in the moment. It does us no good to think about or attempt to plan for something that is out of our control. I still catch myself doing it...just yesterday I was daydreaming about us opening a bottle of wine, cooking dinner together in our new kitchen with the surround sound in the house playing some really cool music and it being close to sunset..I had to catch myself and say in the future you are dead. That type of thinking does nothing to help me further my obedience and submission in this moment...and it is perfect submission and perfect obedience in this moment that may lay the framework for more moments where I get to be perfectly obedient and perfectly submissive in his collar. I can tell you that over and over but it is one of those things you just come to understand as his enslavement of you continues and deepens. I know this isn't particularly helpful and probably doesn't in your mind answer your question at all but it is the answer to your question...frankly it is the answer to most of the questions slaves have..if they'd just listen to their owners closely enough to hear it.


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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/14/2008 6:30:24 AM   
simplyfyre


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you can make all the preparations you want and think your safe
but if its gonna happen its gonna happen. Doesn't matter if its in slavery or marrage.

I agree with a Master keeping something set up for a girl if things dont work but if a Master knows what he is doing... you will want to please and stay and you dont have to worry about this...

Sometimes some one is just a well meaning person with a gambling or drug habit,who knows maybe they cant budget, maybe its all of the above and you dont know till you move in with them*shrugs* or perhaps they are conniver with false pretenses that will piss through whatever you let him and then throw ya out.

That's slavery without a safety net

You can always look for indicators like If a man goes through alot of slaves through the years......

It's a chance  you take when you beg to be owned by someone

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/14/2008 10:44:02 AM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		Hiya soshi,

Just a short thought that, to me, seems to be the heart of the issue.  You're choking on your pride.  I know how miserable it is to have to depend on others for your well being.

Look at it from his viewpoint a moment; if he wanted you to be self-sufficient, I'm sure there is plenty of work he could have you do, legally or otherwise, to bring some money in.  It's his house.  He doesn't want you earning money right now, for his reasons.  When you do work, you'll still be dependent on him for a living, as you'll still be in his house, eating his food.  Whether you turned your paycheck over or not, you'll still be dependent on him.  I think you both knew this before you flew to meet him.  I'm not saying you have to love this aspect of your relationship; but it is an aspect that you'll need to come to terms with.  That means you'll have to start swallowing harder, and make a daily effort to embrace humility.  Once you have, I think you'll find your position as a slave a great deal more rewarding.

Warm wishes,

Stephan


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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/14/2008 10:57:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi
I love him and he doesn't love me, I need him and he doesn't need me, I'll do anything he fucking asks and he won't even kiss me if I beg for it.


In light of your sentence above, I'm guessing he is a good master to you and that you are happy with him?  As a good master to you, does he want to you be lost in a foreign country if something were to happen to him?  Thinking of all the recent disasters, as well as some personal tragedies that various friends of mine are going thru, should something bad happen to him, then you need to have access to help.  You need to have access to money to get home (since you can't legally work where you are).  Should tragedy strike him, you won't have access to either his money or "your" money (should all future money be turned over to him)... I'm guessing that most countries are similar on this.  What I'm getting at is, as a good master to you, I hope he is planning some sort of "insurance" should tragedy befall him.  That would be an excellent reason to deposit "your" money into an account that you would have access to, even if he were no longer around.

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RE: Finanacial slavery - 5/14/2008 4:19:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings soshi:

cariad had the same fears when she met Master, and although we have not physically met as of yet she has asked a lot of questions before accepting His collar.

the few questions she asked is will she be permitted to attend school? would she be expected to work and if so would she be able to keep a portion of her funds from working or would she be expected to hand them over?

Master has said that if she did work, that she would have her own bank account and would only use the money to purchase that which He does not provide and she would have to ask to buy some things.

cariad felt relieved to hear that she would be able to keep her money in an account and would have to ask permission to spend it because to be honest she is not all that great at budgeting for a week or two, let alone a month and knowing that she would have to ask permission makes it easier for her.

as others have said if it is going to happen it will and if it is not meant to happen then it won't.

take things one step at a time and speak to Him of your fears and concerns as He is the only one who can help you with them.

well wishes,
cariad

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