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RE: Punishment and Discipline - 7/23/2004 7:11:13 AM

LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: SherriA
I don't participate in relationships that have a punishment dynamic. It's not a healthy place for me to be; I'm an adult and expect to be treated as such in my relationships.
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This, of course, isn't applicable to "play punishment" (which isn't punishment at all really).

I agree with you on this SherriA (and by the same token, I respect others that chose to live out their dynamics how they see fit).

I look for adult male & female partners that have their life together and who want to have some kinky fun. I do not have the time or the energy to be in control of someone’s life, the way a parent would be.

I liked what Taggard had to say about positive and negative reinforcement. Very Skinnerian! But to me this is all within a play dynamic, and not an everyday life dynamic.

I’ll give you an example. I had a boy get down on all fours and I put a glass of water in a heavy tumbler on his lower back, by his coccyx. He then had to walk down the hall with the glass of water, without spilling it. If he did, he received a punishment. The distance left to cover determined how severe the punishment would be. After about three months (we saw each other on a weekly basis), he finally made it to the end of the hall. He claims that this exercise taught him something about concentration that he can apply to everyday life. That was a nice side effect ;)

- LA

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RE: Punishment and Discipline - 12/15/2004 10:42:26 AM

DaNewAgeViking

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ORIGINAL: sweet`allure

Some thoughts ....
The two should never cross.
Fear of punishment should never be the motivation to achieve discpline and also, discipline should not be the result of punishment.

I agree. John Paul Jones wrote: "No meritorious act should go unrewarded, even if that reward be only a single word of approval." If a Master exercises effective discipline (that is, not measured in bruises), then the sub / slave shouldn't need punishment.

As for myself, my style of discipline is to calmly and firmly explain to my slave what she did wrong, why it is wrong, and why that wrong is significant. Then, once she understands and accepts her error, I offer her a penance to redeem her act. That penance might be anything from standing in the corner to a major whipping - it depends on the act and on the personality of the sub / slave.

The last occasion I had to discipline a sub (someone I was fairly seriously dating at the time) was when she blew the rent money on her hobby supplies. She just didn't understand financial planning. I had her give up her hobby activities and adding to her CD collection until she had 'earned' it back.

Bob

Da New Age Viking