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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 5:17:30 PM

mnottertail

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Gooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwd Amighty......

I just love that subject line.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 5:21:43 PM

LadiesBladewing

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To me, this question addresses two different things... discipline vs. punishment. I don't punish. When my servants make an error, I provide discipline, with the goal of training them in the proper method of managing whatever task or protocol I have set for them. I don't expect them to know instinctively how to do things. Discipline is the tool that enables them to become more than they are.

I also use discipline that is -not- related to specific tasks, but is related to an overall sense of purpose and structure. I require things be done in a certain way, not because this way is inherently better than any other way, but because doing them in the particular way that I assign requires a certain measure of diligence and attention to the small details that make such a difference in a servant's perspective. I cherish the opportunities to discipline my property and shape them into the amazing individuals that I see them as.

I don't punish. Punishment, to me, is something that is done to a disobedient servant that is a way of releasing the owner's -anger-, but, from the perspective that I use, serves no other really useful purpose. The servant does not learn the proper way to do the task from a beating, and the satisfaction that some owners get from punishment completely eludes -me-, so I don't use it.

On the other hand, those being considered as House servants are asked, early in the relationship, whether they have any problem with serving us as physical "vents" for our frustrations. I know myself well enough to know that I am prone to get angry first, and need to vent that anger before I can deal rationally and pragmatically with the problem. A servant -may- get a beating when I am angry, but it isn't punishment -- it is me venting my frustration. It may have to do with them, or it may have to do with a crappy day at work. They know, up front, that this may be the case. In any case, no "resolution" for the servant will come from the beating -- it is strictly for -my- benefit. Resolution will come when xhe has completed hir discipline, and I have found it satisfactory -- AND the infraction is not repeated.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 5:56:11 PM

Delvin

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A very nice topic and question,

Discipline for me is the same as training. Neither requires physical "punishments" in any way, but instead reinforces actions that I see need improving or changing. One example when I took starshine in was that she had been trained in the past to never look at a Master's eyes, but instead head down, eyes lowered. I instead prefer the slave to look up to me so I can see her eyes, and see the emotions inside. I am one for eye contact and love having that in place. This was discipline with her. Training to learn it was okay to look at me while I was talking.

Punishment, on the other hand is when I feel the need to correct an action or emotion that should never be in the house. This, like training, can have a very light to extremely harsh meter and like training, punishment is never taken lightly. I find it confusing to use the word discipline, but instead use training vs. punishment and with both, I am ultimately responsible for the outcome.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 10:49:25 PM

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I was wondering...if any other slaves went through this. If...the punishement, is a relief of sorts? A sense that you are still worth the effort...for at least this one night.

i'm not Gorean, but i can relate. Yes it can be a relief. It shows they care, it shows love. Because if they didnt care, tey'd just let it go. Once i begged for punishment, as i had screwed up royally. It would just be easier for them to show us the door. i completely agree with you

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 11:42:15 PM

JustaTop

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I've seen that as well.

It's really interesting to watch someone asking to be beaten,and not in a nice way.

I'll usually ask them to beg LOTS of times,just to be sure.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/26/2005 3:19:11 AM

sweetpettjenny

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Ive always enjoyed your posts Sir....you seem to really give sound advice and have it pulled together.
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Punishment is a resort of last resort,when all else fails.

By then,I'm pretty ready to show someone the door. Usually, only the investment and valuation of some worth remaining in a girl has prevented this from happening. I've admittedly made poor decisions in taking on girls in the past-they simply didn't have what it took-I suffered by settling.

I haven't struck another human being in anger since I was a little boy. And I am more likely to turn very, very, cold in the presence of drama and ongoing trying to "get my goat". One of my standards for "reflection" is kenneling, or neck chaining to a wall. I dislike wasting the effort of giving a beating to punish. The confinement and seperation is usually enough to drive my point home effectively.

All I need do is ask one question before I walk away for a few hours.

"Why are you here?"

(And I never forgive,I accept atonement-and that always comes at a cost)