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The beatings will continue until the morale improves... - 10/21/2005 7:57:24 PM

lisaSea

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Greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves...

This is a two part question, geared towards the free and slaves, respectively.

To the slaves:

Punishment. While talking today with another slave, we were hashing over past..ummm..errors in judgement and the ensuing punishment. Once, in our six years together, have I angered Master to the point he left the house to calm down. I was never more terrified. Not to mention the fact I had been thrown to the floor and told to remain there until his return. Now, I have stated here in the past how much Master doesn't enjoy whipping me, so, on top of the fear he would release me, was the knowledge that I was the cause of him doing something he doesn't enjoy. I never prayed for a beating more, then that night. The beating would tell me he still felt me worth his while, it is easier to simply show someone the door.

Groveling and kissing at his feet after the fact, being told to leave his prescence until called...was painful, (not the kissing of his feet, the being sent away, lol)...but I still felt some relief. The collar was on my neck, for now, there was hope. While I am not a pain slut in any shape of the imagination, there are times when a good, sound beating is prefered over other options.

I was wondering...if any other slaves went through this. If...the punishement, is a relief of sorts? A sense that you are still worth the effort...for at least this one night.

To the Free:

Do you view punishment as a tool, something to acheive end results...or is it more of a "given". Being that..the slave screws up, she gets a whipping, period. Have you ever reached a level of anger, that caused you to take five to calm down before punishing? AND.... do you always forgive your slave after the punishment is delivered? Once over and the reason discussed, if it is, does the topic become a closed book?

Just some thoughts that came to mind, hopefully others will find them worth responding to :)

Best of wishes...

lisa{Sea's}

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/21/2005 8:13:31 PM

JustaTop

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Punishment is a resort of last resort,when all else fails.

By then,I'm pretty ready to show someone the door. Usually, only the investment and valuation of some worth remaining in a girl has prevented this from happening. I've admittedly made poor decisions in taking on girls in the past-they simply didn't have what it took-I suffered by settling.

I haven't struck another human being in anger since I was a little boy. And I am more likely to turn very, very, cold in the presence of drama and ongoing trying to "get my goat". One of my standards for "reflection" is kenneling, or neck chaining to a wall. I dislike wasting the effort of giving a beating to punish. The confinement and seperation is usually enough to drive my point home effectively.

All I need do is ask one question before I walk away for a few hours.

"Why are you here?"

(And I never forgive,I accept atonement-and that always comes at a cost)

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/21/2005 8:29:12 PM

Raphael

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lisaSea
To the Free:

Do you view punishment as a tool, something to acheive end results...or is it more of a "given". Being that..the slave screws up, she gets a whipping, period. Have you ever reached a level of anger, that caused you to take five to calm down before punishing? AND.... do you always forgive your slave after the punishment is delivered? Once over and the reason discussed, if it is, does the topic become a closed book?

Without splitting hairs over punishment vs. discipline yes, it's a tool, negative reïnforcement. It's not an automatic reaction to a misstep. It may be set in a particular time and place as an automatic reaction to a misstep (as in, "from now on, any repeat of what you just did will earn you the lash") but it's certainly not something to use under any circumstances without careful thought IMOP.

I absolutely believe one should never use the whip in anger. Yes, many times I've taken time to calm down beforehand. I build that into the procedure, consciously.

Yes, when a whipping is called for, and administered, the whole point is that this discharges the matter and makes it 'a closed book' as you say.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/21/2005 9:49:36 PM

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Actually it's all the above, and of COURSE I always forgive; it's just a matter of how LONG the punishment(s) last
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lisaSea

Greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves...

This is a two part question, geared towards the free and slaves, respectively.

To the slaves:

Punishment. While talking today with another slave, we were hashing over past..ummm..errors in judgement and the ensuing punishment. Once, in our six years together, have I angered Master to the point he left the house to calm down. I was never more terrified. Not to mention the fact I had been thrown to the floor and told to remain there until his return. Now, I have stated here in the past how much Master doesn't enjoy whipping me, so, on top of the fear he would release me, was the knowledge that I was the cause of him doing something he doesn't enjoy. I never prayed for a beating more, then that night. The beating would tell me he still felt me worth his while, it is easier to simply show someone the door.

Groveling and kissing at his feet after the fact, being told to leave his prescence until called...was painful, (not the kissing of his feet, the being sent away, lol)...but I still felt some relief. The collar was on my neck, for now, there was hope. While I am not a pain slut in any shape of the imagination, there are times when a good, sound beating is prefered over other options.

I was wondering...if any other slaves went through this. If...the punishement, is a relief of sorts? A sense that you are still worth the effort...for at least this one night.

To the Free:

Do you view punishment as a tool, something to acheive end results...or is it more of a "given". Being that..the slave screws up, she gets a whipping, period. Have you ever reached a level of anger, that caused you to take five to calm down before punishing? AND.... do you always forgive your slave after the punishment is delivered? Once over and the reason discussed, if it is, does the topic become a closed book?

Just some thoughts that came to mind, hopefully others will find them worth responding to :)

Best of wishes...

lisa{Sea's}

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/21/2005 10:53:06 PM

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quote:

Do you view punishment as a tool, something to acheive end results...or is it more of a "given". Being that..the slave screws up, she gets a whipping, period. Have you ever reached a level of anger, that caused you to take five to calm down before punishing? AND.... do you always forgive your slave after the punishment is delivered? Once over and the reason discussed, if it is, does the topic become a closed book?

Very good question girl,
Punishment IS a tool.. But please keep in mind that punishment is not always painful (physically). It may be a girls separation from Master, deprivation of a privilege etc.. Before administering punishment, I always have to evaluate if the shortfall was my own; unclear directions, not enough training etc.. If punishment is warranted however, it should suit the crime. These, called the principals of motivation, should be geared to correction, and not necessarily punitive in measure. Whatever is REQUIRED to correct the defective behavior is administered. One must ALWAYS be fair and inpartial with both reward and punishment. Anger lends to partiality and prejudice and does not mix with punishment well.

Yes, once done, the slate is clean.. I'm not going to mix symantics of mercy, forgiveness or other types of "wiping the slate clean". It IS indeed clean, immediately upon completion.. Provided there is not a repeat offense, or a pattern developed.

Master Michael

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 3:19:42 AM

krys

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Its not that I find a good sound beating a relief, its the knowledge of forgiveness. In this house, there are beatings for fun and then there are punishments. And they are very different things. Master could paddle my ass to the point it glowed in the dark, and I would still be merrily bouncing around the house. But once I was punished for a minor transgression (one of those early on in training not remembering a house rule before it became an ingrained habit things) that earned me a light three lashes. Master was not mad at me, it was a reminder, and I knew that. But when Master forgot to say "I forgive you" afterwards, I was downright hysterical.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 4:56:12 AM

kisshou

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greetings lisa,

gosh this was a hard question to answer because I abhor being punished. I also don't get over it or feel forgiven. It is something I avoid at all costs.
On the other hand I love discipline, living in His structure , knowing by a look or a tone where the boundaries are. Those reminders are a constant. Thinking about it I realize the Owner works more on a positive reinforcement approach.
I also know this a growth issue for Free and slave. Once in the very very beginning of our relationship the Owner had me remove the collar and hand it to Him. I became completely hysterical, I cried so hard I could barely breathe. As much as we like to feel Owners are omniscient , I know He was caught off guard by my reaction. Of course He now uses that knowledge to His advantage..but we all know He is an evil bastard *grins*

warm well wishes
kiss

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 5:00:26 AM

sunshine333

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yes lisa. for me, punishment is one way an owner says, "you're worth my time and effort." it is also a way of reminding a girl that she is, in fact, a slave. and there is something very liberating in that.

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 6:43:41 AM

lisaSea

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Greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves...

I am grateful to the free for responding, thank you. It was interesting to learn that others also use forms of "punishment" that does not involve physical contact. (As much as I detest pain, I would rather feel the whip then be told I am not needed). Perhaps that is why Master prefers the ignoring technique?

Thank you girls, :)

I agree kisshou, feeling his wrath is something to be avoided at all costs, *winks* That one time, still can bring a feeling of fear if I recollect the evening. It's enough of a reminder, trust me, lol

Yes sunshine, it's not something sought after, but in a moment of panic after you have done something to cause anger or displeasure..it is absolutely a relief (for me) to know I am still worth his time. Perhaps relief is not the right word...I will think on that one. :)

Uh huh krys, the second part of that night was begging for his forgiveness and to have it denied, to be sent away from his sight. I'm not sure which was more heart wrenching, the guilt, fear and dread of causing him to whip me, the thought I would be released or the not being forgiven at that moment. When looking back, my heart still races when I recall the events.

It has been awhile since I have screwed up, but talking about it here and on the phone, does bring back the memory and keep it fresh...*winces*

I have been told by others that I am lucky...that they go through such things with a bit more regularity. Just once was enough, I don't think my heart could take it. The pain of the whip was unpleasant, but the emotions that went along with it, too intense for my liking. I swore then that I would never be the cause of such anger or displeasure to him again, if I could help it. ( I am not talking about minor things that come up, but the out and out rage that caused him to leave to calm down)

Thank you to all, I am grateful for the allowed voice.

Best of wishes,

lisa{Sea's}

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 9:12:24 AM

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Greetings..~smiles~

Read this last night..that alone was enough to bring tears remembering, and instead of posting anything just ran off into other room, and clung onto Master for a bit in just total gratitude for him taking me, and keeping me. I already expressed in another topic my so far and last serious dis-pleasure to Master so wont repeat it.

The life of a slave is often if not always like walking on egg shells but a walk none the less that has to have in my life.

starshine
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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 9:16:38 AM

ownedjulia

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quote:

I was wondering...if any other slaves went through this. If...the punishement, is a relief of sorts? A sense that you are still worth the effort...for at least this one night.

Hell yes.

The worst thing ever for me was when Master told me he was so dissapointed in me he couldn't even be bothered to beat me.

It really brought home just how much i had upset him and it took several days before i could convince him to punish me.
When the punishment came it was not at all nice but the relief i felt BECAUSE he was punishing me was huge.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 10:04:38 AM

yun

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greetings Masters, Mistress's and slaves..

i find it interesting to see how most slaves here that have posted have reacted much the same way to punishments. Both in the physical beatings themselves and the mental anguish that we all feel in that time period leading up towards the punishment. like many others i find the mental part of the punishment to be far more severe then the physical. when Master feels the need to deny me a physical punishment by denying me his touch i find it more frustrating. that physical punishment is a reminder that he does still find worth in me and it's a way to express my own self punishment by the endorphin release of his beating. without that i find it hard to move beyond the incident and instead dwell on it for a longer period. i did wish to ask a side question as well as i find it one that does occur on some occasions for me..

have any of you experienced a different kind of reaction when you don't feel the punishment was necessarily deserved or that it didn't fit the offense? has it been harder to take any punishment? it is those times that i feel the truest test of my belly when i have to accept the punishment because it is my Masters will and his feelings that i did something wrong. i am curious to know how others might react.

thanks to the Free for allowing me to respectfully post..

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 11:15:06 AM

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quote:

The worst thing ever for me was when Master told me he was so dissapointed in me he couldn't even be bothered to beat me.

That's why I usually won't do a beating to punish. It hits home much more effectively if I let the girl pick her own punishment after a few days-knowing that she'd never get away with trying to lighten it.

And the confinement badsically says, "I'll just put you on the shelf, while you make up your mind, I don't need anything more from you until you do."

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 12:57:16 PM

edana

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greetings,

reading here brings home to me that i am not alone. sometimes i feel so distant from normalicy. at work i am "jennifer" the Business analyst. oh i am still edana, my master's devoted slave. but, the transition to become that in heart soul, body, mind, spirit... such a dance of emotions!

I used to pride myself on being a "fast learner" i swear i even put it on my resume!

I often feel like i am thick as a brick, why don't i get "it".

punishment. discipline. training. all tools for honing a slaves being. I fear sometimes that my master will wear out his "tool belt" before i am a trained girl.

Yesterday i had a bit of a ... discussion with my master. one that ended with me saying "you know you are not being very pleasing to me right now either!" after he finished laughing and staring at me like he had just witnessed a horse that could speak german. i was sent from him. i was out of his favor for the rest of the night, and morning. and you are not going to believe this. but we were out of coffee too! i mean when it rains it pours!

You know i am scampering around trying to find the most pleasing thing possible. i managed to get him coffee, but that got me a "good girl, now go do your exercises" It is now 5:30AM saturday morning, and i am on the eliptical machine ...pondering my uncertain future.

I will cut this short. master came in from working on his boat, and i knelt before him and with tears begged him to have mercy on his girl and allow her into his favor once again.

We discussed why i had fallen out of favor. in that i had spoken to him like a free woman and in essence was presumptious and disrespectful. (of course i am now remembering all the wondeful things he does for me and feeling like shit) he is such a caring man!

in the end, i am taken over his knee and spanked VERY harshy. but like all of you stated before me. in that pain is the knowing that we are valuable property, to be kept.... and it is such a relief.

a girl is once again her master's girl. and in that is "freedom!"

alright, someone please keep reminding me of this, i seem to have a brain leak and forget every 6.2 days. *sighs*

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/22/2005 2:22:39 PM

JustaTop

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You know edana,this might well help you not to forget.

Try to keep in mind that if he didn''t really value you,he would not put in the effort and thought that he does. Being a Master is not as easy as some may like to think-you are always present in his mind-it cannot be helped. Tho Masters may sometimes seem callous in thier regard of thier slaves- it's usually as a reminder of place-rather than a taking for granted.

Good slaves are VERY difficult to come by-take pride in your service,and things all even out. Also keep in mind that perfection is not something that comes easily,and you will have a great deal of bad conditioning to overcome-you were raised with this. Realize that that which makes you want to snap, and lose your temper IS what constitues the real chains that bind you from completion.

It's up to you to take the hammer and chisel to them..and break free....Leonidas can only do so much.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/24/2005 4:15:52 PM

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I wear myself out talking, stop, get my head back, make sure I take personal note of anything I said that were over the top cruel and cold, then go get the whip.

But I am also someone who lectures too much. As owners it''s sometimes important to remember, this is not a negotiation.

The girls all know that the majority of human females on earth can not reach the level of the sub conciously embonded as they are trying to do. They know it when they get into this. The question "why are you here?" ought to be written on our walls.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/24/2005 5:46:38 PM

JustaTop

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I had it burned into a paddle that hung on one.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 12:03:37 PM

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quote:

have any of you experienced a different kind of reaction when you don't feel the punishment was necessarily deserved or that it didn't fit the offense? has it been harder to take any punishment? it is those times that i feel the truest test of my belly when i have to accept the punishment because it is my Masters will and his feelings that i did something wrong. i am curious to know how others might react.

I may have a different view but a few times Master has punished me because he wanted to. This can be hard to take but it is still is right to do so.

He has, on occasion, given me a 'punishment beating' simply to remind me that he can - this is always the hardest one to take because i was being good!!!!

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 4:27:00 PM

yun

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i agree with you julia that it is definitely the right thing to do, to take what your owner gives you no matter what the reason or intentions are behind it. but as humans with emotions sometimes it's still hard to push aside those feelings of animosity and resentment for unwarranted punishments. it's those inner turmoils with myself that truly make the struggles hard sometimes. to be able to take the time to rationalize why he did what he did. my Master will be the first to tell you that i can't shut my brain off...EVER! i think too much; about current situations, about what happened, about things i can't control and shouldn't even try to worry about. that is what i need to work on most. to accept my Masters will without having to think so much and try and break down the "why" of what he did what he chose to with his property. eventually i hope to be able to accept all punishments gracefully knowing he's making me better.

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RE: The beatings will continue until the morale improve... - 10/25/2005 4:29:01 PM

ownedjulia

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if you ever find out how to accept all gracefully please let me in on the secret!

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