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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 1:28:38 AM   
Elisabella


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Hi Karynn,

According to my Master, who is currently holding me trapped against him, a ravening slut is one who devours all cocks presented to it.

I hope that clears things up

PS: the M and I have been playing a lot of WOW lately...my first thought was to put "Ravening Slutmaw" but I doubted anyone else would get it.

:P

<3

PPS Master does not want to be reduced to a single letter M.  Therefore please amend the above to "The Masterly Lord and Master of my Universe" as appropriate.


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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 8:22:26 AM   
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quote:


PS; I would think that at some point you should express your appreciation of Marcus and Camerius for their patience and willingness to share their knowledge with you.



Seriously, there's no need to thank me at all for anything I haven't done as this has mostly been Marcus' and Bull's work that have been posted here in this thread.

Besides that, I really don't like to get credit for something I haven't done, made or earned where others have, so let it fall where it belongs instead on those two Men.

All I did here was just a bit of nudging that didn't seem to work, nothing more.


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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 8:43:42 AM   
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Greetings Karynn and  All others,

I was wondering that myself.

Even tho a kef still faintly adorns my thigh I must say I have never been that or even a ravenging(sp) one.

For some reason my Owners in the past Never shared my sexual anything with anyone
and I get quite tired of people assuming  the word slut means loose morals...
so I am going to share somethng I wrote once elsewhere ,another lifetime ago,on the use of the word slut for clarification for the non goreans that frequest this board.
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I find it to be a term of endearment when it is used in reference to myself and no different than the words sweetie  or dear  or sweet one or slutlings and I often use these words to refer to woman I am friendly with.

The word slut is used in the Chronicles of the Gor books themselves and it is found in many places throughout the series using the term to refer to female slaves.

I've has long since let go of the connotations the term 'slut' has carried in the culture from which was left behind when i found Gor and as a Gorean's slave,she does not think of the word as being a insult whatsoever. It certainly is not in John Norman's writing.

kajira are also often referred to as beasts, animals  and property within the series.

i've enclosing some quotes.....indeed most are Males using the term but there are females to female using the term included as well along with the ending one referring to female slaves as property and animals.

[size=2 font][size=4 font]"Position, Slut!" I snapped at the girl. Swiftly, the Lady Florence, frightened, knelt in the straw. She knelt back on her heels, her back straight, her head up, her hands on her thighs. She knelt in the position of a house slave. I looked at her sternly. Swiftly she spread her knees. She knelt now in the position of the pleasure slave, the slave of interest to men.

Page 346 Explorers of GOR

[size=2 font][size=2 font]Many Gorean men, in their vanity, will not admit to caring for slaves. Even the thought of it, it seems, would embarrass them. Who could care for a meaningless slut in a collar? Yet, too often, for just such women, luscious and helpless, and in bondage, men are prepared to kill. Indeed, more than one war on Gor has been fought to recover a single slave.
Dancer of Gor, page 421

[size=2 font][size=4 font]An interesting contrast here is the Gorean master/slave relationship. Men tend to be extremely interested in things they own, and tend, usually, to be quite fond of them. Owned women do not form an exception to this general rule. The slave girl is commonly desired and prized by her master; she is one of his treasures. The Gorean master, interested in her and attentive to her, wants to know everything abou ther, in her emotions and feelings, in their feminine, lyrical detail. Conversing with a lovely slave is one of the many pleasures of owning her. It is almost impossible for a girl to keep her thoughts or feelings from her master. He knows her too well. Most girls are extremely responsive to their masters, and love them deeply, with that incredible love which can be known only by an enslaved woman, that love which a woman can accord only to a man who is her total master. Yet I would be remiss did I not mention that even the most vital, animate slave, delightedly conversing with her master, knows that at a mere snap of his fingers she may have to tear aside her garments and serve him as a chain slut. She is owned. Too, many slave girls are kept by men who are harsh and cold to them, who despise them as mere slaves. These girls, too, of course, must obey. They, too, of course, must perform perfectly for their masters.

Page 99 Explorers of GOR

[size=3 font]“Forgive me, Mistress,” said Susan. “Of course you, as a free woman, could not!” I was angry. I
considered whipping the little, collared slut. She put her head down, quickly, and continued her work,
menial work, work suitable for such as she, a slave.
Kajira of Gor Book 19 Page

[size=2 font] [size=2 font]
"He looked me over. I blushed, under Gorean appraisal, I only wore my tether.
"Stand as a slave," he said.
I stood beautifully, back straight, head high, belly sucked in, hip turned. No woman can stand more beautifully than as a gorean slave girl.
"Excellant," said Ladletender, smacking his lips.
"Master is pleased," I said.
"Yes," he said.
"The slave too, is then pleased," I said.
"Behold," said he, He drew forth, from a leather bag nearby, a sack, such as vegetables may be carried in.
I looked at it. I was puzzled. It was folded; it was small. He removed the tether from my neck. I shook my head and hair, the bond removed. He gestured to the sack. It had been used to carry vegetables. There was printing on it.
"Put it on", he said.
I opened the sack. In it were cut an opening for the head, and two for the arms. I drew it over my head. It was snug. With binding fiber he cinched it on my body.
He stepped back. "Lovely," he said. It came high on my thighs. There was a casualness about it, a carelessness about the shoulders, with respect to my figure. But the binding fiber, bound twice about my belly, and cinched tight, at my left hip, accentuated my breasts and hips. There was a hint of lusciousness, concealed within so apparently negligent a wrapper. It was well contrived, psychologically, to suggest a cheap, but most tasty slut.
I reddened.
"Here," said Ladletender. He held up a string of slave beasds. I smiled. I reached for them. "Not so fast," said he. I put down my hands. He put the beads in his belt. "Turn about." he said. I did so. It is the man on Gor, often, who puts jewelry on the female, bedecking her. It is not uncommon, even, for him, should he have a pierced-ear slave, to fasten her earrings on her. I assumed Tup Ladletender would rope the slave beads on my neck, fastening them behind my neck. They were of wood, and cheap and pretty. I would be pleased to wear a decoration. Once I had nearly had my throat cut for my lack of knowledge of "Bina", or slave beads. I still did not understand why. Too, once I had had a strange dream that dealt with slave beads, a meaningless dream I had not understood, in which I had been asked, strangely, to string such beads. My hands were pulled behind me, and locked in slave bracelets. Then, as I stood helplessly braceleted, Tup Ladletender roped the cheap beads about my neck.
He stepped before me.
"You are beautfiful, Dina," said he.
"Thanks you, Master," I said.

~Slave Girl of Gor...page 249~

[size=2 font]"I see you will be strong with me, Master," I said.
"What a fool I am," he said, "to care for a miserable Earth-girl slave."
"I ask only to love and serve you,Master,"I said.
"Yet you are attractive," he said.
"A girl is grateful to her master, should he find her pleasing," I said.
"So you would choose to be a slave?" he asked.
"Yes, Master," I said.
"Slut," he said.
"Yes,Master," I said.
"It is I who will decide," he said.
"Yes,Master," I said.
"I decide----" he said.
"Yes, Master," I begged.
"----that you are my slave."
"Yes,Master!" I cried.
Then I writhed in his arms as he took me, exploding in the deepest and most profound ecstasies a female can know, those of the slave orgasm, known only to the owned woman.
"How could I love you so much," he asked, "if I did not truly own you, if you were not fully mine?" "I do not know, Master," I said. Clitus Vitellius had confessed his love for a slave. I hoped he would not now beat me.

~Slave Girl of Gor...page 442-443~

[size=2 font]Now the exquisite slut began to sense her power, that of her beauty and desirability.

She had determined, I now realized, from the first movement she had leaped to her feet, obedient to the command of her master, Philebus, that she would make test of her womanhood, that she would, courageously, regardless of the consequences, risking contempt and perhaps even punishment, display herself before him, this rude fellow who had once so scorned and tyrannized her as a free woman, as what she now was, ultimately and solely, female and slave. To be sure, she, new to her slavery, had perhaps not fully realized that she had really no choice in the matter but, willingly or not, must do so, and to the best of her ability, in total perfection."
[size=2 font]Vagabonds of Gor, Pg. 37-40




"'You are a hot little slut,' she said. 'Kneel before the mirror.'
I did so.
'There are one hundred and eleven basic shades of slave lipstick,' said Sucha. 'Much depends on the mood of the master.'"

- SLAVE GIRL OF GOR, Pg. 261

[size=3 font]"I rose to my feet and placed two copper tarsks on the table.
I went to the girl, and with the side of my foot, kicked her. "Get to the alcove," I told her.
"Yes Master," she said, and scrambled up, hurrying with a rustle of jewelry and bells to a leather-curtained alcove.
There was more Gorean applause as I followed her and, turning, from the inside, drew shut the curtains of the alcove. When I had them buckled shut from the inside I turned to face the girl."
Rogue of Gor p13.

[size=4 font]Treasure your silly virginity,” said Tupita, “for you will not have it long.”
red-silk slut!” I said to her, angrily, adding, “Mistress.”
“By tomorrow,” said Tupita, “you, too, will be only a red-silk slut.”
Dancer of Gor 22 Page 198

[size=2 font]But if I wanted their touch why should I not ask for it, or beg for it? As a slave what else could I do? Too, even if my needs and my interests, and the incredible depth and intensity of my desires proved that I was "worthless" aand without "merit", I did not care? I was worthless because I was only a property! I was worthless because I was bond! I was worthless because I was the sort of woman who could be put upon a slave block and be sold! I was worthless because I was only an owned animal! Of course I did not have "merit"! I was beyond "worth" and "merit" of those sorts, I was only a slave! But thus I could be as free, and piteous and begging, and lewd, and loving, and sexual as I wishes! I had nothing to conceal, nothing to keep secret. I belonged to my master, all of me, my thoughts, my love, my body, everything I was and could be!
Page 215 Dancer of GOR
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note+ edited to try to get third person out of original posting  and to fix some c & p errors

I know this  particular topic has been covered numerous times over the last 4 years I've been posting here but it doesn't seem to have made sense yet to some.

sorry for the off topic but some assumptions just irk me
 
Be well Ya'll
Fyre


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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 10:47:36 AM   
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Greetings

In reading all of this the thought occurred to me, we are all a product of our societies definition of purity and not.  Often to accept or deny societies status quo has become a personal choice.  I read the comments from Marcus regarding the Madonna/whore concept and possession of sexual self control etc, I even nod and agree.  Then experience pops into play.  I know many people who not only marry their whore but enforce the whore, in public.  No not talking about gratuitous dancing naked in the streets here but within proper time and place.  The swinging community for example typifies this.  They have been able to work past the Madonna/whore, success and or failure is often based on personal and mutual rules.  Average society looks in puzzled.

Look also at a nudist colony, nudity abounds, yet it is not “sexual” in nature.  Their own community standard dictates correct and not.  Again average Joe looks in puzzled.

Some parts of the globe topless and a fig leaf is considered proper dress, here in North America thousands of young men pull out copies of National Geographic and lust over the pictures.

So we ask the question, what is “proper” within this community.  Answers will vary.  Answers will vary because often we can not help using our own moral compass in making that determination, seeing that robes and veils are not actually accepted as part of the cultural practice.  That compass has often been shaped by their own social growth.  Would a Gorean man look at the breasts of a free woman and think less of her, IF he grew up in a nudist colony and saw her at one?  Would a Gorean man think less of a woman for showing a wrist and ankle if he grew up with the Burka?  Indeed personal tastes do come into play.

While I believe the men already know this, I am going to say it anyways.  As a woman I can sincerely tell you men can see sexual in just about anything.  Women by definition are sexual, why because for the average man women are a natural sexual attraction.  We try to cover it up with the Madonna/whore thing, which in essence is making rules to control ourselves in order to have social order.  The fact still remains, a man can find anything what so ever a sexual signal from a woman.  The reason men can look past fig leaves isn’t because they are better, it is because they have become socially conditioned to believe there is nothing wrong with it.  Besides he may well be a ear lobe man and the mere sight of a certain shape drives him to lust. Pity the woman who is gifted with that exact shape. Therefore there is a lot of personal opinion regarding proper and not.

As women we can try to cut off all possible signals, but in the end we will fail.  We will fail because some where some how we will give out a signal, to someone.  Hell I was 8 mths pregnant (baby was 9lbs 10oz) and was “to sexual” to someone.  Trust me, the label Shamoo the beached whale is what I would have plaster on my own forehead.  We will fail because what is ok here will be way out of line there.  (68 year old Grandmother being told not wearing panty hose was inappropriate, yes true story.)  Now we can worry our little heads about it till the cows come home, drive ourselves crazy or, just keep on living.  A woman self confident enough in herself and who has touched her base sexuality will not hide in shame from those signals that naturally are expressed.  If a man behind likes my wriggle, let him enjoy that moment of pleasure, a pickle up my bottom to artificially change what nature has adorned me with actually is a pretense I personally can not live nor believe it actually achieves anything noble in the end. Please note walking down the street with the natural gait of a woman is not the same as dancing naked in the street.  Further note to some men that natural gait is extremely suggestive and are offended by it.  You simply can’t please everyone.

So while we create lists of good and evil, we do have to try to remember opinions play a huge role in the creation of said list.  



On the word slut.  I am a slut and I am darn proud to be a slut.  I am not in the offended if my husband calls me a slut.  Then again how we both view the word slut may well differ then yours.  I our eyes slut is a woman who is sexually aware and darn proud to be.  We understand that to some such expression even with in the confines of their own bedroom is a bad thing. Was married to someone who thought just that.  Being sexually aware and dynamic doesn’t mean loose, being totally caught up in the moment of sexual activity doesn’t have to   mean “can’t be respected.”  Determination of that is based on personal opinion, action and reaction.

Some take great offense at the word and or action defined by the word.  So be it.  Just because you deny it doesn’t mean it is not possible.  Which is why I state, Madonna isn’t always so virginal and pure as people like to believe, the illusion is merely created and supported by status quo.  To a greater or lessor degree.

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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 11:29:29 AM   
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Tal Jahna,

I understand the positional use of the word, you using it with your husband to describe your energy and zeal to a relationship with him that makes sure you take care of every sexual desire you both have in your time with him, and how you have shared it makes it a word you can use.

There are many here who've criticized me for surely not being a free woman, as if they could look in the some few hundred notes I've read and learn 39 years of life and the history of Karyn and how she is what she is and who she is to what people. Most have made broad stroked judgements on very few bits of information.

Because I've had such a delight (sarcasm dripping here from my lips) listening to these people, particularly other free women, label and mark my behavior so negatively, even so much as posting on the forum in several places defamation of character enough per me specificly to tell others on the forum 'Don't listen to that woman. I don't like her and don't think she's a free woman. She's misleading you and misrepresenting Gor." I've learned to be very careful to realize that even in the instances that strike me off chord, I won't react as they have to me.

Instead, I will qualify my own thoughts on the word slut and how I'd react if it was ever even remotely used to describe me. The very fact that these same women above decided to accuse me of being a slave or slave-like and made me very angry in their doing so will suggest that I don't care for misused labels. On a forum where such a difference between free woman or slave is important to the free woman or slave in question, I found the labeling they used was INDEED slander against my character, and saying I'm a slave and thus not valued so do not listen to that person really has upset me, and I'm still dealing with the aftermath of those things. If they had taken it one step further, to delineate even further, and stated that I was a slut, I would have found even more assault on my character.

I prefer the southern belle, hostess, lady of the manor image. It was how I was raised. It was how my companion chose me, and what he continues to expect of me. I have been with him to functions where it was very obvious to him and men he was mentoring with that HIS needs for a female in his home would never be that of a slave girl of Gor. Even if I were everything and anything slave-like, and my nature was obvious to those mentors at the time, they were still 100% sure that He chose very clearly how to define me. Then after getting to know me in person, realized that either by environment or direction from him or perhaps both, I simply was not nor will I be a kajira or slave. An assertion that I am then is a personal insult.

Let me pause here and be very clear. Slavery is amazing and an amazing status to attain and occupy consistently. Slavery takes all sorts of self-confidence, beauty, obedience, and so much from a woman. Only the strongest, wisest and most amazing women can reach the standards of slave and even fewer than that will reach the status of kajira. Being a slave is not a negative position in the world, nor in our Gorean sense of things, being a slave can only ever be a wonderful asset for Gorean men who seek them. When I say that calling me a slave is an insult, it is because it is going forcefully and completely against the man I love more than life itself. It insults his choice. It states that those who barely know me have a right falsely assumed and in that falsely assumed right, they've defined someone without knowledge of the truth. If I were a slave, I would be very willing and content to be called a slave because that would be what it was I was. A slave here who's very sure of their slavery would take just as much an insult if a Gorean who barely knew them decided for them that they were a free woman when in fact they'd been enslaved for years, served and knelt at Gorean men's feet, and held the duties and exemplified them to the best of their training. A slave works very hard to be considered a slave, a kajira even harder, and the insult comes from a complete misunderstanding. It also ends up insulting the Gorean man in her life, by saying "What does he know. We obviously know better and that girl in his collar is no slave. We're going to call her a Gorean free woman anyway."

Then you come to slut, a word that you went to a great deal of expense of time and energy in order to define it and explain how some of its definition has come to such negative connotation based on environment and history. It is logical then, based on what you shared, that the word slut is only a word, and in the right setting, it would not be considered an insult at all. When you apply it to self, or your husband applies it to you, you find it only represents truth. If you or another decided to apply it to me, it would be so far from a word I'd identify with, I'd have a hard time relating to you further in any capacity beyond taciturn politeness in public (like here on the board). I would wonder, "What was she/he thinking?" if anyone ever said, "Oh Karyn's such a slut." To me it would be like a gut check, where a fist, or hockey stick slammed so hard against my abdomen, I wouldn't breathe well.

For me, slut IS a horribly negative word. It's all those things you explained, including loose. I have nothing related to loose morals. I have nothing more than good intentions in most every choice I make. I work very hard to exemplify exactly what my companion needs in a woman, but I would never consider it 'slutty' even if it were something shared beyond closed doors in our bedroom. I cannot imagine ever changing my mind on that but when I was growing up, my two southern grammas used the term slut to mean the very worst trash of humanity doing whatever base things they wished without any self-control. That was just beyond anything they'd accept, even so far as not letting such a person past the threshhold of their front door.

I will accept the positive spin you shared regarding slut and its definition because you explained it well and applied it so to your relationship with your companion. I could accept your position and still never agree to it for myself, for any adaptation. I just don't see that happening in my generation or even the next for those of us who remain wholly influenced by both Gorean philosophy and the very passionate explanation and description of the southern lady.

Take care,
Karyn

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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 12:02:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jahnaca

I read the comments from Marcus regarding the Madonna/whore concept and possession of sexual self control etc, I even nod and agree.  Then experience pops into play. 


Except your experience is based within the extremely narrow window of your 24 years of life. That is 1/1,000th of a drop in the bucket of the totality of recorded human existence.

Naturally you see variations and the rejection of assorted biologically enforced reproductive behaviors. I told you you would. Because in our modern melieu, we are no longer subject to the direct survival pressures that created us and were encoded into our DNA. When food and shelter are abundant, and where organized animal husbandry exists, the hunting skills of the male are less important. When populations run rampant, birth control enters the picture and reproduction is less of an imperative. When we are all one extended tribe or a large nation, our selfish protection of our own offspring against external DNA no longer has the power over us it once did.

One good worldwide pandemic or international famine might bring those factors back into play here in the West. But for now, we can superficially reinvent ourselves in whatever image we wish, and indulge ourselves to the heights of our personal fancies.

But in the tribal Third World, those pressures still acutely exist. Obviously.

The fact that different societies classify different behaviors as good or bad comes as no epiphany to any of us. To be sure, in a society where the ankles of a woman are forbidden from display young men will yearn sexually for a peek at those ankles. Whereas a European is much less sensitive to the sight of bare female breasts than would be someone from the United States. Rules and customs vary.

It is the forces behind the scenes that inspire and compel the making of those rules that really matter. And which, in many cases, are simply unavoidable.

You will be classified according to your actions. There is no escape.

How you will be classified is based upon the particulars of your culture.

The cultural rules and concepts we have been discussing are Gorean ones. Hence the answers you have been given. 

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ORIGINAL: Jahnaca

So we ask the question, what is “proper” within this community.  Answers will vary.



Not in the Gorean Community they won't. At least, not by much. Not, at least, among those who have actually read the Gor books, that is.

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ORIGINAL: Jahnaca

So while we create lists of good and evil, we do have to try to remember opinions play a huge role in the creation of said list.



Culture is the consensus of such opinions. They are opinions only until accepted by culture as social edicts, at which time they cease being personal opinions and become public policy.

No escape. Somewhere, somehow, you will be judged. Always. We all will be, according to the dictates of our culture.

And rightly so, provided the appraisal of us by our peers is accurate and based upon natural law.

But there is an escape avenue in Gorean culture for those who refuse to be so confined!

It lies among the trees in the vast wilderness of the Northern Forests and Southern Rain Forests, in the camps of the Talunas and Panther Girls.

In essence-- simply exit yourself from Gorean society, or indeed any society, and you won't be held to its standards.

The Gorean Men I know and with whom I interact are all cool with that. Because we don't waste our time interacting with those who have so vehemently rejected what we communally believe.

Wisdom dictates that the tree of knowledge not be planted where it can bear no fruit.

I wish you well,

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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 12:03:39 PM   
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And now for another word or two about stairs:
 
Today I approached a wide staircase on which about seven or eight men were standing, some on each side. After this thread it was all I could do to make myself walk up the stairs between and past them all.
 
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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 12:08:14 PM   
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Makes ya want to take the elevator?

Which can, of course, be stopped between floors...

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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 12:21:41 PM   
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Haha, good point, Musicmystery...what's a girl to do?

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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 12:24:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subtee

Haha, good point, Musicmystery...what's a girl to do?



Bend over  ;O)



IWYW,

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RE: Stairs - 6/6/2008 2:07:40 PM   
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girl the next time you see stairs, close your eyes and feel what you are inside and then walk up them as an expression of that. There may be a Man among them that recognizes it, even if it is not on a conscious level.

serve well,
Orion

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ORIGINAL: subtee

And now for another word or two about stairs:
 
Today I approached a wide staircase on which about seven or eight men were standing, some on each side. After this thread it was all I could do to make myself walk up the stairs between and past them all.
 
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