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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/11/2008 2:00:03 PM

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Economically speaking in today's society its almost impossible for a young person to start out on his or her own with out help/intervention. this being said in the direction that Earth has taken recently its almost a necessity for the would be slave or slaves to acquire part time jobs. even if it is something light with mediocre medical insurance. these times are simply to unstable for anything less. a relative idea tho might be to start a website for pictures or video of some of your sessions even "renting out" and slave for a video shoot on a popular site may give some limited amounts of funds but this is not a possibility nor a want for many people. so even tho its possible to use the assets owned it is far more practical and lasting to just go with the part time job theory. ie anyone can scrub a toilet and make some extra cash.

As far as a girl not being ready, That is totally a chance to take. in my opinion. if through talks and discussion about what exactly they are getting into you find that they still dont understand then a possible prohbationary period might be pheasable. if a girl wishes to be totally owned or dissapear and that is truely what she desires then there is no reason why one should not imbrace that discion as the setting and the tems can be trained and educated. their desire to "dissapear" is no different from ones desire to own another being. quite possble the feeling or need to own another came long before an exposer to the lifestyle. the lifestyle itself should only be used as a vehicle to sustain your way of life. and if yours and hers intersect in the middle then it works out for both travelers.

Hope all that made sense.
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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/12/2008 7:08:19 AM

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Much of what I see on other threads leads me to suspect many people believe a girl is to just sit around chained at home waiting for instructions. Or, that she's just there to compete a shitload of menial tasks, prefereably on her knees. That's simply not true. Slaves in the books are chosen for intelligence, beauty, and feminity--with intelligence a key factor. Treve has a girl essentially running his camp. Bosk has a girl doing an excellent job looking after his finances. Yes, they're slaves, but their talents are put to use. And slaves, after all (in the books), cost money--sometimes quite a bit of it.

Why buy a prize sheep dog and then keep it tied out back to a doghouse? Why buy a thoroughbred and use it to pull a haywagon? Even barn cats are free to roam, as they've an imporant function to fulfill.

Slaves are developed. Yes, as in the books, deepening their connection to sexuality, but also developing their talents and interests. Only in developing her talents can the girl be of maximum benefit. Only in developing her interests can the girl be an enticing companion, another important aspect of a slave. Anything else is not only a waste, but also will create a very boring situation very quickly--for both Master and slave.

Sometimes too I see girls who seem to think that slavery means they now can just relax, worry about nothing, just physically please their Masters. These girls are looking for sugar daddies, not Masters. I suppose that's OK if they can find someone who wants that, but I'll continue to pass on those.

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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/12/2008 7:35:29 AM

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wrong account again.

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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/12/2008 7:36:53 AM

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Greetings Tim,

Very well said. Sometimes though, we have to learn from our exposure to that type of girl, so we can recognize them in the future. My current slave works outside the home, does housework in the home, has conversations with me, watches movies with me, offers suggestions when I ask for them, works outside in the yard beside me, interacts with my family and friends, and pretty much does everything I want her to do. Her drive is to please, as a natural slave should.

I chuckle at some of the recent threads, as I wonder how many times the answer needs to be posted here, or that it needs to be said, before some get it.

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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/12/2008 8:43:52 AM

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Dear Tim I think thats a very valid point of view.. and visa versa also has to be stated. There are some men who think they can use the term Gorean Master as an excuse to sit back and go ok now I have a girl who will do what she is told without asking a single question, who think that because they are male that gives them the right to be IN CHARGE without the intelligent wit and yes balls to be a leader. They take on the role of Master as an excuse to live out some teenage wet dream and in the process ruin the lives of trusting females. I think we all have to hold ourselves accountable for how we present ourselves and be honest with ourselves about what we want.

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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/12/2008 10:01:45 AM

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Greetings Sylverdawn,

Very well said as well. I doubt though there would be many robotic slaves, that would do anything and everything told, if there is then those are problems in and of themselves. The only slaves I have seen that trusting, usually are not with the Men you describe and it is easy for them to trust and surrender. I have seen a few of the others, but usually there has been an illusion created with their love for that male, that is being used against them.

I think we can agree that humans have the capacity to be bad, whether they are Free or slave.

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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/12/2008 3:31:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Greetings Tim,

Very well said. Sometimes though, we have to learn from our exposure to that type of girl, so we can recognize them in the future. My current slave works outside the home, does housework in the home, has conversations with me, watches movies with me, offers suggestions when I ask for them, works outside in the yard beside me, interacts with my family and friends, and pretty much does everything I want her to do. Her drive is to please, as a natural slave should.

I chuckle at some of the recent threads, as I wonder how many times the answer needs to be posted here, or that it needs to be said, before some get it.

Live well,
Orion

Nice post, Orion! Excellent example.

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RE: The realities of keeping a girl - 7/13/2008 9:26:32 AM

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Greetings Masters, Free & property.

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Much of what I see on other threads leads me to suspect many people believe a girl is to just sit around chained at home waiting for instructions. Or, that she's just there to compete a shitload of menial tasks, prefereably on her knees. That's simply not true. Slaves in the books are chosen for intelligence, beauty, and feminity--with intelligence a key factor. Treve has a girl essentially running his camp. Bosk has a girl doing an excellent job looking after his finances. Yes, they're slaves, but their talents are put to use. And slaves, after all (in the books), cost money--sometimes quite a bit of it.

Speaking from my perspective, I respectfully agree & disagree here. A well-trained slave, in whatever discipline, is certainly a bonus, however these women although performing well in bondage, their society embraces slavery, thus their daily interactions are always colored & seen through that lens. Working outside the home is a tremendous challenge to a slave mindset (for me anyway, ymmv). The cognitive dissonance is loud. I'm afraid in my past 24/7 experiences, they lasted longer when most of my time was spent at home or in my Master's presence. Perhaps my other experiences would have lasted longer if some ritual or strong reminder had been had at the end of the workday. Still, perhaps the issue was that the master did not relish my ....degradation?/reminder of my status? & so did not insist when perhaps I could have been more pleasing by being more deferential. Probably not a new thought to any of you, but perhaps something to consider if you send your girl out to work. If any working slaves that are 24/7 would care to comment here or to me privately, I'd like to hear how it works out for you at the end of the day.

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Why buy a prize sheep dog and then keep it tied out back to a doghouse? Why buy a thoroughbred and use it to pull a haywagon? Even barn cats are free to roam, as they've an imporant function to fulfill.

Slaves are developed. Yes, as in the books, deepening their connection to sexuality, but also developing their talents and interests. Only in developing her talents can the girl be of maximum benefit. Only in developing her interests can the girl be an enticing companion, another important aspect of a slave. Anything else is not only a waste, but also will create a very boring situation very quickly--for both Master and slave.

Indeed, having been a houseslave without enough to do or enough to stimulate my mind was extremely boring. While the desire is to be pleasing, it doesn't take long for the idea to form, "What the heck am I doing here?" It seemed, with my experiences, that once they had possession of my body, they thought they had Mastery of all of me, but that just wasn't so, and sadly, it ended all too soon. I have yet to be questioned closely on the profile side about my education, my intellect, my personality. Mostly it seems, "What do you do?" & "Are you 36-26-36? Valid questions certainly, but surely, if a Master means to possess & master the slave, if truly he means to own her, would he not believe that his infusion of mastery into her being would create a possession greater (dare I say, more lucrative?) than the sum of her previous parts? That could be pure assumption on my part of course. ....and please don't tell me, "It depends on the man." I'm not speaking to those types, I'm interested in the Men that are Engaged in the Mastery, with caps. I wonder, if any Masters here would be so kind, what do you do with/for/to your slave to stimulate her mind? To obtain Mastery over her mental self?

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Sometimes too I see girls who seem to think that slavery means they now can just relax, worry about nothing, just physically please their Masters. These girls are looking for sugar daddies, not Masters. I suppose that's OK if they can find someone who wants that, but I'll continue to pass on those.

Live well,

Tim

And dare I say, with all due respect, if you want to have your cake & eat it too, first, you must make & bake the cake - or pay a premium to the cake baker!
(hope that wasn't too much of a euphemism, my sense of humor sometimes gets me in trouble even though I do not intend malice aforethought...)

And last, if you find this post displeasing, feel free to respond to me privately or in public. While I would be shamed in public, at least another girl reading your correction in public will be edified by the guidance and better able to be pleasing in the future.
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