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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/1/2005 7:40:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Prunesquallor

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I wrapped her in a blanket and after she had sutured a knife wound in my belly, I held her

Always useful to be with a girl who can suture, I say, comes in handy for those wild nights out.

*boggles*

Life can indeed be interesting when you stand up for what you know to be right.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/1/2005 8:53:32 AM

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:) Love belongs.....as long as you know where the off switch is lol......i love Master and Master loves me...but that doesnt stop our poly life....it doesnt stop him from punishing me....when i act out...i get my butt a nice red tone......Its a diffrent kind of love...its absolute.Master loves me as a good little slave...and i love Master as a great Master.....its just a love without jelousy or resentment.This lifestyle isnt for the emotionaly wounded...atleast not the poly lifestyle because if you get jelous easy or resent the Master you serve during play you might end up with a red rear end reguarly.
Example...Master and i were at the Swingers club he runs and a couple approaches us we talk and then female kisses me and kisses Master while i kissed her husband...there were no hard feelings...i wasnt mad ..stomping my feet...i knew where i belonged(at his feet) and i knew where he always wanted me to be.... But...thats my opinion :)

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/1/2005 3:42:51 PM

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love is by no means a weakness. however, i am not hardcore gorean and happen to like the vanilla side of life just as much as being in this lifestyle. so love, is a rare but normal occurance for me.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/2/2005 6:05:17 PM

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I will tell her I love her, and I mean what I say. To love is not a weakness, to hate is.

Though love is not so black and white were you can either love the girl or hate her, but being "in love" with each other I do not see as a problem as long as the love does not begin to smother the ideals that were set in motion, Master and slave. If love begins to equal out Master and slave, then yes, I feel there is a problem there. Perhaps not with love itself, but the reasons for being "in love" with each other. Why I have a personal dread about marring a slave or even getting her pregnant (ducks those two topics for the moment), as to love her as an equal begins to take away what both of us need.

You can love your car, and it should be the same love for the girl.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/5/2005 6:22:05 PM

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Greetings..~smiles~

What's love got to do with it....

For me everything and nothing as long as He remains Master, and I slave.

For me loving and being in love are not the same depth of emotional attatchment. Since a slave is a slave and holds not the keys..it is easier to cross that emotional stage from love to being in love as generally there will only be positive results flourish.

From my own past history..when a Master makes this same crossage from love to being in love, it opens up the door to perceiving the slave in a different non healthy way as it pertains soley to keeping the Master/slave dynamic intact which is what generally brought you together to start.

Do I love Master, absolutely..Am I in love with Master..absolutely
And He's already expressed His views

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/5/2005 10:29:58 PM

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For Me, Love is important I need to love her to feel the need to care for her and provide that which she needs. I place My entire being into My relationship so I must know that she loves Me and I her, But I will not let love for interfere with the proper dynamics of the relationship.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/7/2005 7:15:19 AM

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I just have to ask is LOVE a necessary requirement to occur for either slave or Master? What if it's just a casual play thing? What if neither wants further involvement? Would that lack of emotional involvement make either person a lesser slave or a lesser Master?

I know the questions may seem silly, but I am not Gorean and I have been reading these forums to learn. I "identify" as a switch in that nilla BDSM world. LOL!! I have loved a Dom and a sub. I found loving the Dom was more exhausting and more emotional than loving the sub. Does this make me more sub? maybe .....not.

Either way, I am EXTREMELY cautious on who I invest my emotions with....they gotta be worth it, have to prove it. I've seen soooo many intense short-lived relationships. It's almost not worth it to risk so much for so little in return. Just my thoughts.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/7/2005 7:54:20 AM

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I just have to ask is LOVE a necessary requirement to occur for either slave or Master?

For me personally..not it is not a requirement. It generally tends to happen though as more time is invested and growth occurs just as with any relationship.

Although I will probably not get this out correctly I'm going to try. I take your "casual play" as meaning periodic..whip me, beat me, sexual exchange. In that context alone wether they live together or are apart..if that is the entirety of the basis of the relationship, I don't equate nor take serious when they say they are a slave or a Master relationship. Is that wrong what they do?..absolutely not, and sure they can call themselves humpty dumpty for all it matters.

I just don't equate the M/s life to sex/kink. If had neither of those involved, Master would still be Master, and I slave. Yes does have them, and yes it's really nice to have that as a part of the whole dynamic, but those area's are actually a small fraction.

Don't want to offend anyone really..just how I personally feel

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/8/2005 6:12:31 AM

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I am not offended at all. What I have found thru reading various topics in this forum are confusing contradictions..to my thinking, that really shouldn't be there if this lifestyle is entirely based on these books. I'll admit to not having read them either. I couldn't get past the first chapter of the first book without yawning. I might try again.

So, what I have basically seen (in summary) is that a slave is property, no more worthy than a toaster, needing to love/serve her Master, who may or may not find her worthy, who may or may not love her because of "weakening", who then may walk away/trade her/sell her/ treat her like a toaster?

Am I close? I am not being sarcastic at all. I am just wondering what exactly is the appeal to the women who slave and/or become slaves? What is in it for you emotionally?

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/8/2005 8:23:27 AM

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So, what I have basically seen (in summary) is that a slave is property, no more worthy than a toaster, needing to love/serve her Master, who may or may not find her worthy, who may or may not love her because of "weakening", who then may walk away/trade her/sell her/ treat her like a toaster?

Am I close? I am not being sarcastic at all. I am just wondering what exactly is the appeal to the women who slave and/or become slaves? What is in it for you emotionally?

::smiles:: Hello
You know me. You know how "I" feel and view things. Are you seeking a different answer here because you know I associate as Gorean?

The otaster comment is a bit far fetched.. By the books, sure.. But we ALL have made SOME modifications to the book Goreans.. Otherwise I'd just kill the slut when she pisses me off bad enough.. so lets depart from there a bit..

She is a slave.. Period. To answer to my call in all things, at all times. HER will must bend to mine always. She is FREE to serve without fear, shame or sense of self.
I will NOT love her as a vanilla woman.. I've already made "my" distinction of slave love..

The appeal is a woman who is STRONG enough to fully give of herself.. This wonderful creature to be held above all other women.. the one that can totally place herself in the care of her Master and let the rest of the world think what they will of it. This slave.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/8/2005 8:36:17 AM

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::smiles:: Hello
You know me. You know how "I" feel and view things. Are you seeking a different answer here because you know I associate as Gorean

Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael.....your absofuckinglutely precious.....

It really didn't have anything to do with you. I do know your views quite well. I am only trying to get a better understanding from the FEMALE perspective.

It's also GREAT to know that those killing the slut modifications are there....Goddess knows I would have died a thousand deaths by now.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/8/2005 2:56:12 PM

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So, what I have basically seen (in summary) is that a slave is property, no more worthy than a toaster, needing to love/serve her Master, who may or may not find her worthy, who may or may not love her because of "weakening", who then may walk away/trade her/sell her/ treat her like a toaster?

In regards to this, if you have not read edana's topic: slave girl of Gor..it might help clarify things alittle bit better for you.

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/8/2005 5:09:19 PM

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greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves..and any others reading..

as i've been allowed my opinion here (respectfully always) i thought maybe i could explain why a slave might choose to be Gorean and choose to call herself lakajira and submit in these ways..

our service to a Gorean Man may sometimes seem onesided from the outside, but to us it never is. we may never have the requited love that most women feel they need, we will never be equal and we are sometimes even lucky enough to find one that we can serve and be owned by for a long time. i find that many kajir i've met are rarely sexual slaves as they are moreso service oriented slaves. yes many have sexual relations with their owner because of the strong bond that is formed by giving up so much of ourselves to them. but most could go without the sexual touch and still be eager in our service. we strive to give up our own needs to see the needs of others being met, especially the one we are owned by. his needs, his wants, his desires guide us. do i need to be loved by him to feel complete? hell no. do i need to be needed by him to be secure in who i am? no. all i need to do is to be allowed to be near him to make his life easier in some way. to bring a pleasantness to his life merely by offering myself to him. if i were to serve a Man and have expectations in return of my own needs being met by him..who is serving who? that's serving your own needs, and that's not what being gorean is about. yes i sacrifice for my owner..i give up my time..my desires..my wants and my needs. but somehow..in someway by seeing that smile on his face having pleased him..they don't matter in anyway. His smile has replaced all of my wants and my world is brighter. being allowed to crawl back to him time after time...that is my love from him. that is my emotional connection. if you've never given yourself completely, you can't understand the payoff of serving someone.

anyone can beat or be beaten..it takes no genius in that. but knowing someone else's life is better and more content because of what i give up...i get everything i gave up back in 10 fold. it's hard to explain..but a slave feels it. they feel that pride and elation. and when you can do that day after day, through frustrations and longing..then you know you are completed..and you know you are owned..and it is then that you are happiest!

i don't care what i give up for my owner..he knows i sacrifice. yet he knows he feeds me. receiving that in return, his guidance, his mentorship, his ownership and patience..that means more to me then ever just getting beat when the whim arises or submitting whenever the mood strikes. it is then that i am my happiest!

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RE: What's love got to do with it.... - 11/10/2005 5:51:01 AM

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Actually..... I do know about those feelings. I do wear a tattoo from a previous Dom, of 18 months on/off, who is still a very good friend of mine. If ever I came close to "slave-like" it would have been in my relationship with him. It ended for various reasons on both of our parts. I seek "the package" relationship. I know what I want and don't want. I have no desire to be someones side dish when they feel the urge for a blow job. I have no desire to share someone with anyone else or others. I can play casually now because I know now not to invest ANY emotion with that person. It's simply physical release for me and I am not a play slut. I am entirely picky about who I play with.

However...I can honestly admit that I miss the emotional bond. I just need to find the one for me.

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