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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/2/2008 11:00:32 PM   
Thadius


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Status: offline 		Thank you for the clarification, it sounds like the dynamic that you and your owner have works very well for the both of you.  As you state that dynamic could remain the same, or he could decide to change it tomorrow.  I can respect that.

While it may seem that claiming to be free is simply enough to qualify as being free, I assure you that not all folks that claim the position earn it; let alone earn the respect of those that are free.  The actions and words of a man speak volumes, the same goes for the women that choose to associate with us.  The old addage remains true here as it does everywhere else, respect is earned.  If I cannot take the word of a friend at face value, then what kind of friend is he?

While I have no issues with debate, discussion, or even disagreement, I do have problems when it is done in a catty way.  If you or anybody else has a personal grievance and they wish to go into the ad hom or even outright attacks,  I simply ask that it be taken to private and away from the topic at hand.  There is no point in ruining the good, with what can be handled behind the scenes.

Thanks again for the clarifications,
Thadius



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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/2/2008 11:11:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Thanks fairer

I really was trying my best to use "I" statements - I have a lot of respect for women such as yourself who are able to fully immerse themselves in their slavery.  I used to think it was something I didn't *want* to do, but after posting here as long as I have I've come to realise it's something I likely *couldn't* do.  I would run away scared if I ever got close to it!

That's just one more thing that confuses me about respecting all the Free.  In my mind it's the *slaves* who are doing the amazing thing.  Surrendering so completely with an almost stoic outlook.

To quote just about every daytime talk show host out there - "You go, girl!"


Greetings Elisabella,

Anything I do that could be classified as amazing is a direct result of my interaction and respect for the Free.  It is the Free who draw this behavior from me, who inspire me daily.  Not only SJ, but also those who influence me day to day both here on the boards and in personal interactions.  It is not my place to determine to whom I shall show respect, the respect is there because I acknowledge my place in relation to Free as slave.

Nothing I do is extraordinary - I do what is required of me in as pleasing a manner as I can attain and to the best of my ability.  To be pleasing to the Free requires two things - absolute obedience and exquisite beauty.  It is not I who define my place - it is they who do.  As I participate in these threads and in life, it is in my relation to them as slave.

well wishes ~ fairer than she


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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/2/2008 11:14:04 PM   
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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/2/2008 11:22:08 PM   
fairerthanshe


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Status: offline 		Greetings Elisabella,

I'm not being awesome - I'm just being.  Being who I am and what I am, in the most natural way possible, inspired by Men and Women I humbly respect.  Exhaling into being.

well wishes ~ fairer


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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/2/2008 11:43:05 PM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Hi there fairer,

I believe that  the statement elisabella made about you is the only thing she and I agree upon.

I have watched you for as long as I have seen you posting here on the boards, dunno if you came before me or not, doesnt matter anyways. you have always demonstraited what it is to be classy and humble. you know who you are, you know what you are and you have always displayed as much with the utmost grace.
I am not a woman easily impressed to tell the truth, there are but a handful, not even, of girls I can say this about.those I do know who they are. However there are girls I know who are pleasing but I feel, still have a ways to go but I commend them on their journey and efforts they put forth every moment of ther life to get to a place, I believe you are at within their slavery.In essance, I simply want to express what a delight you are fairer, you are amoung the few reasons why I even bother being a part of this forum anymore.


elisabella,
right is right and wrong is wrong. not a one of us here on this board can call ourselves perfect, least of all me, and least of all you.
You and your Master may not care what we Goreans may think, but it seems obvious to me, that somewhere within your heart and mind, you must on some level, else why would you continue to associate yourself here?
You may not like or respect certain people, certain women, but that is besides the point. There are people I do not like either. There are also people I do not feel have the right to judge me or have the right to criticize me, but guess what, they are going to anyways, since I choose to put myself out here on a public board.I try my level best however, that when that happens I react to it with the proper attitude. Have I failed to do so at times?, you betcha, but I have always come back to it and admitted it then do my best to make it right.
Whether you feel Liz is a good woman or moreso a good, decent Gorean FW does not excuse the fact that you put yourself out here for all to see and critique, the way they see fit to. I of course am speaking about the Free, in which Liz is. Not to mention she is amoungst the best kind of people you would ever hope to know.Absolute salt of the earth and I can say this without a seconds hesitation, having known this woman both online and off for many yrs.
She does not go out of her way to attack you, frankly, she treats you just as well as any other submissive she comes across whom she feels has mispoken or been disrespectful, both online and off. she does not and has not singled you out.
Which brings me to my point I made at the beginning of this post to you.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Now you can blow off my words to you as you see fit and say, screw you..whatever, it would be no biggie to me, but I do suggest you take a step back from yourself for a moment and ponder what I have expressed instead and see if any of it makes sense to you.

take care, fairer
be well,elisabella,
Mistress Maahsatti


PS, Hi Thadius. I made this post on open board simply because I felt it extremely relevent to this threads topic and in hopes to perhaps help new comers to understand as well.....*smiles*

< Message edited by Maahsatti -- 7/2/2008 11:54:03 PM >

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/2/2008 11:51:52 PM   
fairerthanshe


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Status: offline 		Greetings Mistress,

Thank you for your kind words.  I am truly grateful for your kindness and generosity of spirit.  I have enjoyed these last couple of years and have learned so much about myself and others along the way.  Thank you again.

well wishes ~ fairer


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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 2:18:58 AM   
Elisabella


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maahsatti


Whether you feel Liz is a good woman or moreso a good, decent Gorean FW does not excuse the fact that you put yourself out here for all to see and critique, the way they see fit to. I of course am speaking about the Free, in which Liz is. Not to mention she is amoungst the best kind of people you would ever hope to know.Absolute salt of the earth and I can say this without a seconds hesitation, having known this woman both online and off for many yrs.
She does not go out of her way to attack you, frankly, she treats you just as well as any other submissive she comes across whom she feels has mispoken or been disrespectful, both online and off. she does not and has not singled you out.
Which brings me to my point I made at the beginning of this post to you.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Now you can blow off my words to you as you see fit and say, screw you..whatever, it would be no biggie to me, but I do suggest you take a step back from yourself for a moment and ponder what I have expressed instead and see if any of it makes sense to you.



You are absolutely right that she has the right to critique any post I make on this board.

I have the exact same right to critique any post she makes on this board.

The difference between her and I is that I consider some of her posts to be thoughtful, insightful and informative.  That has nothing to do with her personality or whether I like her as a person - it's simply saying that she has something to offer, and there are times I've read her posts and gotten a new perspective.

That's why I don't block her.  But from what she seems to be saying, she thinks all of my posts are insulting and worthless.  So I can't for the life of me understand why she won't just block me.  I'm not saying she's singling me out, I'm just saying if she thinks I'm this awful nasty person with nothing to offer why does she insist on reading my posts?  And moreso, why does she insist on entering into conversations I have with others, simply to tell me that my posts are worthless and awful?

She said earlier that I do things so "not to be held accountable" and dismissed the idea that I'm only accountable to my Master and other people whose opinions I value.  From what I can tell, she seems to expect to hold me accountable to *her* standards.  I've told her several times that I will never measure up to her standards of what a slave should be, and that she can accept me for who and what I am or not, but it's a waste of breath to keep trying to shove my round personality into a square hole.

It's not a question of caring what "You Goreans" think - there are those on this board whose opinions I respect and those on this board who, in all honesty, I am glad dislike me because if they liked me it would mean that I was like them. I like you FW Maahsatti, and I respect the fact that when you have an issue with something I post you address the issue itself rather than making snide remarks.  I don't think Elizabeth is a horrible person, I just think she is making a mistake by expecting my Master to train me the way she herself would train a slave, and by thinking her criticisms will change his mind and make him suddenly realise that he is wrong in what he wants.

You can't make lemonade from oranges, and if you try you'll just end up frustrated and thinking the oranges are stupid and worthless.  But on the other hand, if you accept the orange for what it is, you might find yourself a nice glass of orange juice.


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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 3:20:12 AM   
MontrealPhoenix


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Status: offline 		Greetings Masters,
Greetings Mistresses,
Greetings property,
 
Greetings Elisabella,
 
The way i see it is who am i to decide who i would and wouldn't serve? It's not my place to do so and refusing to serve a Free would be acting as if i believe my station to be higher than theirs, that would then reflect on my Master as it would appear he would be unable to control his slave. Does that make better sense?
 
To me, a Master shouldn't have to tell his slave to serve someone, she should just do it. That's what slaves do.
 
You say you are a slave but only to your Master and that is something i don't understand. Isn't a slave a slave whether with/to her Master or any other Master/Mistress? My understanding is that we don't get to pick and choose when and with whom we are slaves. The other thing i don't understand is when you say you would attend certain gatherings as your Master's Companion. I wasn't aware that we get to switch back and forth, i thought that we are either one or the other. Could you please clarify this for me?

 
be well,
 
phoenix


edited to address the person i should have addressed in the first place. Sigh

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 4:35:30 AM   
Elisabella


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MontrealPhoenix

Greetings Elisabella,
 
The way i see it is who am i to decide who i would and wouldn't serve? It's not my place to do so and refusing to serve a Free would be acting as if i believe my station to be higher than theirs, that would then reflect on my Master as it would appear he would be unable to control his slave. Does that make better sense?



That's why my Master would have me follow the protocols of the house I was in if we were to attend a Gorean party where I wore a collar.

It's sad that it reflects that, because it isn't about control or a lack of it.  He doesn't have me obey all free people because he doesn't particularly want me to.  You could easily say "the fact that your Master doesn't make you wear makeup everyday makes it appear he can't control you" or "the fact that you aren't naked when in the house makes it appear he can't control you" - those are protocols in *some* houses, but they are only protocols when the Master decides they are to be implemented.

The only thing that him not ordering me to obey all free people *should* reflect is that he doesn't care whether or not I obey all free people.  Any value judgements are in the eye of the beholder.


quote:


To me, a Master shouldn't have to tell his slave to serve someone, she should just do it. That's what slaves do.


For some men, consenting to be their slave means consenting to serve all free men.  Those men are most likely Gorean.
For other men, consenting to be their slave simply means that you will serve him. Those men likely do not call themselves Gorean.  My Master is one of those men.
 
quote:

You say you are a slave but only to your Master and that is something i don't understand. Isn't a slave a slave whether with/to her Master or any other Master/Mistress?


A Gorean kajira is, yes.

quote:

My understanding is that we don't get to pick and choose when and with whom we are slaves.


In a Gorean Master-kajira relationship it is.  That's not the relationship paradigm we follow.  In deciding to be SFM's slave I surrendered control of my life to him.  That's not something I take lightly.  Therefore I did pick him, and I chose very carefully.  It's a serious choice to make.

I would hope that any girl who enters into slavery 'reads the fine print' so to speak and learns exactly what is required of her before making that choice.  If SFM were the type of man who shared his slaves, sexually or otherwise, I doubt I would have made the choice to kneel to him.
quote:


The other thing i don't understand is when you say you would attend certain gatherings as your Master's Companion. I wasn't aware that we get to switch back and forth, i thought that we are either one or the other. Could you please clarify this for me?


Since I am neither a Gorean kajira nor a Gorean FW, I would ask to attend in the role that best suited me and our relationship.  If it were a gathering where slaves were expected to dress immodestly and kiss, touch or have sex with other men, then the status of "slave" would not accurately reflect my role in his life.  Rather than put me in a collar and then demand that I be given special treatment, it would seem better for me to attend on his arm rather than at his feet.

That doesn't mean I'm not his slave, or that I'm a Gorean FW.  It just means that I'm not a kajira, that he isn't Gorean, and that my slavery doesn't encompass the protocols expected for slaves at that gathering.

If I were a Gorean kajira there would be no need to 'switch' as you say.  And it's not so much switching behaviour as it is just taking the title that is more appropriate.  I don't kneel before other men. I don't flirt, I don't dress immodestly or shake my bottom while getting a drink to better please the man I'm getting it for.  For me to be expected to follow such protocols would be traumatic to me, insulting to him, and might put a strain on our relationship.  To attend as a companion who is submissive to him would better reflect the way we act day to day, and the values we hold in our relationship.

 
be well,
 
phoenix


edited to address the person i should have addressed in the first place. Sigh


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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 5:14:24 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Hi Elisabelle,

The concept here is the concept of Gorean identification, in Gor, there are only two concepts the self-determining FW and the owned slave.  To me anyway, if a Man who owns a woman is Gorean, then his slave by default is Gorean and there is an assumption of mindsett that she understands what her place is among Free.

I think part of the issue is that your Master has called himself a Gorean man.  A Gorean Man who goes to a gathering of Goreans would not order his slave to serve out of "respect" for his host being Gorean, he would order his slave to serve because well HE -- her Master -- is Gorean and she is but a slave, because that is what she is to him, therefore, that is what she is as her status among Free.  What i am seeing from you is that you decide the who, what, where, when, and why of your slavery.  You are self-determining in your slavery to your Master who i swear you and he both have called him Gorean.  I find it interesting that if he went to a Gorean gathering, he would "respect" a host by ordering you to serve most likely.  Why if he isn't Gorean?  Does he choose to humor Goreans knowing his slave has no understanding of her status as a slave among them and is pretty much humoring them "for" him?

If he was a Gorean Man, your status among Free is something HE would acknowledge and agree with, and he in turn would teach that to you.  If he is not Gorean, there is no need for him to humor Goreans at a gathering and pretend you know your place among Free, is there? 

While you don't agree that our society is condusive to Gorean living, Goreans do a lot of things our society doesn't connect with anymore.  Much of Gorean is a mindset and understanding of perceptions. That is what i am seeing you aren't understanding.  Even if you don't like the fact that Free are above you because you are a slave to a Man, as a slave, its really none of your concern, you as a slave obey because you are a slave.  If your Master is Gorean, this would be a mindset he teaches you -- not to go against your pride or beliefs of equality or make you feel lesser than, but because its what a slave needs to survive among Goreans and in many cases is a mindset she then would need to survive with him.  A slave has no need to worry about being lesser than Free, she simply serves the Free because they are Free -- she is not in anyway if she is owned by a Gorean man.  If a slave is worried about her status among Free, instead of simply being a slave among Free, she hasn't quite yet realized what she is -- not only to the Free but to her Master -- if he is Gorean.  If he isn't, then i guess this whole conversation and explanations are redundant. 

If he is not Gorean, i fail to see why you are even in the discussion as the concept of Gor is not something you agree with and therefore, are incapable of ever understanding, so are you trying to change people's mind on how they see Gorean because of what you would like it to be?

Goreans know how society does things, their strength, beliefs all build a perception and mindset that makes them who they are. 

angel

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 5:44:02 AM   
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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 5:46:04 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Ahh, i thought he and she both have said he is Gorean.  My misunderstanding.  Thanks for clarifying it, Tim.

Then i guess its all redundant. 

angel

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 6:27:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I apologize if my post caused any problems and I wanted to stop by long enough to clarify something about what I meant yesterday.

(Greetings to the free, and good morning to the property!)

Master restricted my use to his personal use and doesn't allow me to serve others with out his explicit permission... (trusted friends, people he knows that aren't total strangers. etc.)

With that said.. If I was standing next to the coffee machine and someone asked me to hand them a cup of coffee, I would do it. I wouldn't even think about it..

If I was across the room from the coffee machine and waiting for my Master to come out of the bathroom and someone asked me to go get them a cup of coffee, I would have to politely refuse since my Master told me to wait right there and not move. No Matter what I won't disobey my Master.

The odds of someone asking me to do something like that are fairly slim in my world (experiences) for a few numerous reasons.


I am never alone for more then a second when we are out, Master keeps me on a (figuratively) short leash by his side. Or in the care of a friend or Master he trusts while he attends to something else in public. Most events we've gone too that are similar to all slaves serving all Masters or free, require that everyone brings their own partner in some fashion... This prevents problems to some extent because why would someone ask me to do something when they have their own slave to do it for them?  Now, in very small gatherings, I offer help, I set things up, and I serve in other ways, if Im up getting Master a cup of coffee or a drink, I've often asked if someone else wants something.. but if I was alone, there is probably a reason for it, and I was strictly told to "stay put and not move"...

I can't break Master's rules to please a stranger, no matter how much it might upset me to displease someone, Master always comes first.

I understand what people are saying about not displeasing all, but even in that situation, there is no way a girl can make everyone happy. (I've tried and failed because if I try to please everyone else, my Master is unhappy because my attention isn't on him the way he wants, it is best to just keep Master happy.)

Hope I explained it better this time.

Best wishes,
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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 6:56:05 AM   
Elisabella


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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Ahh, i thought he and she both have said he is Gorean.  My misunderstanding.  Thanks for clarifying it, Tim.

Then i guess its all redundant. 

angel


No, neither one of us have ever said we were Gorean.  What we have said is that we find aspects of the philosophy to be both valuable and true.  We identify with parts of it, but not all of it.  This is one of the parts we disagree with.

I'll answer your other post tomorrow, but for now it's bedtime :)


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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 7:56:52 AM   
Thadius


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Status: offline 		Morning,

I just wanted to touch on some of the things you said.

quote:

It's sad that it reflects that, because it isn't about control or a lack of it.  He doesn't have me obey all free people because he doesn't particularly want me to.  You could easily say "the fact that your Master doesn't make you wear makeup everyday makes it appear he can't control you" or "the fact that you aren't naked when in the house makes it appear he can't control you" - those are protocols in *some* houses, but they are only protocols when the Master decides they are to be implemented.
The only thing that him not ordering me to obey all free people *should* reflect is that he doesn't care whether or not I obey all free people.

The examples that you give here would be preferences, and perhaps part of a protocol, they in no way reflect on whether somebody has control over a slave (unless that slave is not following those instructions).  Your master probably hasn't told you that you shouldn't piss on somebody's leg at a party, but if you did I am sure that you would agree it would say something about the control your owner has over you, I know that example is a bit extreme but it illustrates the point about not being told one way or the other.

quote:

Since I am neither a Gorean kajira nor a Gorean FW, I would ask to attend in the role that best suited me and our relationship.  If it were a gathering where slaves were expected to dress immodestly and kiss, touch or have sex with other men, then the status of "slave" would not accurately reflect my role in his life.  Rather than put me in a collar and then demand that I be given special treatment, it would seem better for me to attend on his arm rather than at his feet.........


What happens when he says no?  Is this where you decide that you will not be attending?  By the way, I am having a hard time remembering a gathering where the slaves were expected to touch or have sex with other men, I mean I do remember a few wild parties, but those were explicitly for that purpose.

I would mention also that it is not only Goreans that expect the submissives and slaves to serve, almost every gathering (besides munches) in the BDSM community seems to have this same sort of mentality, be it the submissives helping to set the table, getting drinks, helping out in the kitchen, or helping clean up.  Perhaps, I have just been lucky...

quote:

To attend as a companion who is submissive to him would better reflect the way we act day to day, and the values we hold in our relationship.


Perhaps this is the most accurate thing you have said, and also describes your position in his daily life.  Simply put you are a companion that is submissive to him.  I am not looking down upon the dynamic that the two of you have, as it sounds like you both enjoy it.

If I hand jess a couple of oranges and ask for lemonaid, she had better well try to make it, I would probably even smile a bit when she reached into the basket and grabbed some lemons to make sure my request was taken care of.

Getting ready to enjoy breakfast,
Thadius

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 9:02:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been to a fair few Gorean meets, even a few BDSM ones, all the girls served whoever needed serving without being asked. Of course they served their owners first but the majority of the others then spent the night watching and checking the other guests didn’t need anything as well as their owners. Very pleasant it was as well, the few that didn’t do anything but who sat and did nothing had a lot of comments made about them afterwards and none of it was nice about either them or their owners. However I doubt that the man who holds his girl close afraid she will get attacked would worry about what all the potential rapists and abusers he spent the night with thinks anyway.

I haven’t once been anywhere where sex was demanded as a service but then I choose the people I associate with carefully. I like to check they are Gorean and not just there for the sex before I meet them, its amazing how much that helps.

Cheryl

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 11:08:06 AM   
Zarius


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I echo what Cheryl and Thadeus said.. All slaves at gatherings were expected to serve, and pitch in. Only those with infirmities were excused for certain portions of serving/helping out.

I have never been to a gathering where it was expected that a slave would have sex or participate in sex without her consent.  I have been to events that were gorean where sex did occur, that it wasnt public and everything was consentual between those involved. That was between those individuals involved.

In all instances with a girl owned, that slave would invariably follow their owners requirments no matter what. After all it is the owners right to determine what and how far the slave would serve or not serve. Then again those gathered would judge him on his actions concerning his slave as well.

I wish you all well

Zarius

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 11:13:38 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Greetings Elisabella,

To me, you are trying to compare the taste of  flour to how a chocolate cake tastes and not understanding its the whole of the chocolate cake that makes it chocolate cake and not just the flour or the chocolate or the sugar in and of themselves.  You can't take aspects of what you see in Gor and believe you understand what Gor is because you want and like a certain aspect.  All of the ingredients of Gor are very easily and do in many people's lives exist as stand alone concepts, people live by the individual ingredients as they pick and choose daily.... what makes those stand alone ingredients Gorean, is when its all together as a whole concept.

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 11:31:41 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Seems to be a lot closer to stamping a foot and declaring, "You're not the boss of me! You can't make me!"

Hell, I serve all the time. I see somebody looking lost in the store, I say, "Can I help you Sir/Ma'am?" I see somebody with his/her arms full, I'm walking by, I grab the door. And if I were at a gathering and I was up anyway, I'd throw whoever wanted one a beer. And when I'm stitting down to plan out my courses, I'm not thinking about how I'll force my will on folks, but rather how I can best shape their experience and achieve the necessary objectives.

True freedom is worn lightly, comfortably. Defiance is still a reaction to an outside stimulus. Thriving on defiance--well, that's attention seeking. That's why groups sometimes throw seemingly pointless protests and demonstrations--the purpose is attract attention.

And when an individual so thrives, it's narcissism--and very different from someone taking a stand on a cause.

A Free Man.

< Message edited by Musicmystery -- 7/3/2008 12:13:59 PM >

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RE: Key Gorean Protocols - 7/3/2008 12:47:38 PM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Greetings girl,

The Gatherings I have attended , every man/Master has known his slave would be put to good use, she would be tossed in with all the other slaves and expected to work and serve all Free to the best of their ability.
I myself am hosting a Gathering in June of 09. If you attend, if your Master is gracious enough to want to attend my Gathering,I would be obligated to let him know up front what would be expected of any slave he chose to bring.Naturally, he would have the choice to decline me, if he did not want his slave serving, but I rather doubt it would be an issue, seeing as though your Master is infact a Gorean man..
I really see this subject going around in circles..Tim said it best

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If he were a Gorean, this problem wouldn't exist.


serve well,
Mistress Maahsatti

< Message edited by Maahsatti -- 7/3/2008 12:48:33 PM >

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