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Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 12:45:15 PM

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Hi all!

A lot of girls call they self a slave. But what did this word mean to you? Is it full enslavemet, a game, a word of the Mainstream or something else?

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 12:58:44 PM

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I expect your replies will be varied on this question as there is no agreement even on the difference between the terms slave vs sub.

For me personally, i am slave to Master because I belong to him and the difference for him is being owned versus just submitting for play.

I do not consider or call myself slave other than for Master but it is true for our particular dynamic.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 1:00:20 PM

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Most of those I know call themselves slave only becasue of the partnership they are in. Male and female, they are slaves to their masters or owners, but no one else.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 1:17:14 PM

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There can be no an abstract definition of slavery that works in the context of two consenting adults in the modern Western world. In such a context any such construct is situational in nature, any such labels, tags, handles whatevers are created and applied by the people within the context. In effect, nothing defines me as a slave, other than self created self imposed ideas.
Therefore any criteria which to me indicated and defined my status as a slave would not work on the next girl.

Sir answered it like this, and I am in agreement with Him
Softness is a slave because
1) she says she is, and means it.
2) she is willing to give her rights, including her right to be right
3) she is clear that her real limits are her Owners limits and that her limits are actually requests and not limits at all.

these things define me as a slave in the context of my relationship with Dark Victory .. they won't work if I was a slave to someone else

and also ... because He says I am ... cos .. yanno ... He is Da Big Man, His word is law

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 1:48:13 PM

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For me, being a slave is not a game, it isn't a word i use to make myself look uber submissive, nor is it a hat i put on when it suits me.
Fundamentally, it's about submitting completely to the will of Another, with no reservations, no limits & no compromise. i live my life entirely as He directs, twenty-four-seven, with no breaks, no time off & no space to collect myself when things get a little too much. It's about living life on my feet, something i find to be both challenging and rewarding, ensuring that all of His needs are cared for at all times..
i gave up all of my rights as a human being, with the exception of one that He gave me, to put that One special person first, to submit and serve completely, to the best of my ability through every moment. It is a lifestyle which requires complete uninhibited honesty, openness, trust, understanding, care & passion in order to thrive..

i consider myself honoured to be treading softly on a path i find both fulfilling & nurturing through every step, holding tightly on to the hand of my Master, my Owner, my Teacher, my Daddy.
This girl would say, there are as many different slaves out there as there are ways of "being" one.. Because more than anything, its about being yourself.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 4:14:11 PM

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To me, in this context, slave is a personal relationship orientation. A person who is oriented towards personal intimate relationships in which they transfer all ultimate authority possible to the other who accepts and takes responsibility for that authority.

Nothing more, nothing less.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 7:33:52 PM

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Is there such a thing as partial enslavement? "Oh no, I'm only a slave from Sunday through Wednesday, the rest of the time I'm a sub, except for Thursday evenings at my yoga class where I'm a FW". Can't quite see how that works.

Now I know English is not the op's primary language but what exactly is a word of the mainstream? I'm not a polyglot, this is my only language.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 8:30:58 PM

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for me i'm not a slave to Daddy...i'm Daddy's submissive/whore....slave to me means losing all control over things....and i just can't fully give up all control

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/28/2008 8:59:40 PM

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Is there such a thing as partial enslavement? "Oh no, I'm only a slave from Sunday through Wednesday, the rest of the time I'm a sub, except for Thursday evenings at my yoga class where I'm a FW". Can't quite see how that works.

Now I know English is not the op's primary language but what exactly is a word of the mainstream? I'm not a polyglot, this is my only language.

Do you mean in addition to, or switching from one to the other? There are certainly slaves who are also subs who are also dominants who are also vanilla wives and such. But they don't stop being any of those things at any one time.

Switching from being a slave to just being a lover seems more unlikely, though I wouldn't deny if it someone said that was their experience of who they are.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 3:22:48 AM

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Greetings Master Alduras,

As a Gorean slave, it means that once collared, my Master will own me completely as well as everything i currently own and i will give up all my rights (in so far as the law allows) including but not limited to my right to say no. Of course this does not define what a slave is, this is only my situation as well as my fellow Gorean slaves.

I hope this helps you understand better,

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 3:57:22 AM

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Is there such a thing as partial enslavement? "Oh no, I'm only a slave from Sunday through Wednesday, the rest of the time I'm a sub, except for Thursday evenings at my yoga class where I'm a FW". Can't quite see how that works.

I'm with you on that one des.... When My playpartner is over she is under TPE for the duration of the time she is here, when she is not here, she isn't My responcibility. she is My sub, NOT My slave. My slave I Own, she is My property, My responcibility 24/7/365.

It isn't just the level of authority... simply because she is under TPE doesn't make My playpartner slave to Me, because it is only part time, there is big parts of her life where she isn't accountable to Me, I don't OWN her.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 5:41:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Is there such a thing as partial enslavement? "Oh no, I'm only a slave from Sunday through Wednesday, the rest of the time I'm a sub, except for Thursday evenings at my yoga class where I'm a FW". Can't quite see how that works.

Now I know English is not the op's primary language but what exactly is a word of the mainstream? I'm not a polyglot, this is my only language.

Actually there are people who runs a business, maintains a very independent social life, lives alone, gets together with his/her master couple times a week and calls herself slave. While anybody can call themselves anything they want to and it is not our place to bother them about it , in reality this is against the concept of slavery. When there is slavery, concepts like "freedom", "owning something" , "independence" becomes inefficacious. So partial enslavement can mean "being slave in the scene" instead of living a life of a slave 24/7.

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P.s: I am aware the fact that there are many long distance relationships where the slave still has to maintain her own independent life. This post is not talking about long distance/online slavery. If you are in an long distance/online relationship, I am not arguing you can not call yourself slaves.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 6:26:14 AM

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I was surprised when my Master first called me a slave. We had talked about it previously, and I thought of myself as a sub that was sometimes slavishly devoted - both to Him and to the lifestyle. For me it is no game. I am on call 24/7 for him, and find the relationship to be very fulfilling.

I went to a munch last night in my new city and was surprised at the reactions of people to slaves. The people that I talked to were almost in awe of the situation. Many wished that they had slaves of their own. I was not sure if I would be met with people looking down their noses at me but found the exact opposite. There was no feeling at all of "she's ONLY a slave". I've seen both tops and bottoms make the mistake of thinking that slaves have no original thoughts or emotions of their own. I've seen slaves ask for advice and they get back the standard, "you're a slave so suck it up" answer. Trust and communication are still vital - maybe even more trust than the average sub would give.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 8:24:02 AM

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for me i'm not a slave to Daddy...i'm Daddy's submissive/whore....slave to me means losing all control over things....and i just can't fully give up all control

what she said.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 1:03:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alduras

Hi all!

A lot of girls call they self a slave. But what did this word mean to you? Is it full enslavemet, a game, a word of the Mainstream or something else?

Greetings,

Alduras

It means, like wife, girlfriend, pet, etc, what Valyraen and I have agreed it means and this meaning won't apply to anyone else unless they want it to.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 2:04:07 PM

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this one has been called a slave for she does as she is told what you are called is between you and Yours repectfully littlewolfe

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 2:38:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterHermes

Actually there are people who runs a business, maintains a very independent social life, lives alone, gets together with his/her master couple times a week and calls herself slave. While anybody can call themselves anything they want to and it is not our place to bother them about it , in reality this is against the concept of slavery. When there is slavery, concepts like "freedom", "owning something" , "independence" becomes inefficacious. So partial enslavement can mean "being slave in the scene" instead of living a life of a slave 24/7.

Hermes

P.s: I am aware the fact that there are many long distance relationships where the slave still has to maintain her own independent life. This post is not talking about long distance/online slavery. If you are in an long distance/online relationship, I am not arguing you can not call yourself slaves.

There are people who live together, wife is stay at home mother and still has to act as an independent being. She isn't calling him up ten times a day to ask if she should put red or green sprinkles on the cupcakes for a birthday party. It's about the emotional attachment in my book, not about how much micromanagement exists in the relationship.

I have very little micromanagement. He doesn't much care what's for dinner as long as there are no peas in it and no quiche. Grilled salmon and asparagus is fine, so is a bought preroasted chicken and mashed potatoes from Boston Market. The fact that he doesn't care about the details doesn't mean he's less domly, just that he's more laid back, and less of a foodie than some.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 3:46:49 PM

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Is there such a thing as partial enslavement? "Oh no, I'm only a slave from Sunday through Wednesday, the rest of the time I'm a sub, except for Thursday evenings at my yoga class where I'm a FW". Can't quite see how that works.

Now I know English is not the op's primary language but what exactly is a word of the mainstream? I'm not a polyglot, this is my only language.

Actually there are people who runs a business, maintains a very independent social life, lives alone, gets together with his/her master couple times a week and calls herself slave. While anybody can call themselves anything they want to and it is not our place to bother them about it , in reality this is against the concept of slavery. When there is slavery, concepts like "freedom", "owning something" , "independence" becomes inefficacious. So partial enslavement can mean "being slave in the scene" instead of living a life of a slave 24/7.

so ... even if I am owned meat, contractually etc owned by DV .. the job I have and the work I do prevents me from being a slave? Even if part of my service is being successful in life? Even if my salary funded our social life and exotic holidays?

I am not being hissy or snarky, I am genuinely interested in this concept of slavery.

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 6:07:37 PM

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Is there such a thing as partial enslavement? "Oh no, I'm only a slave from Sunday through Wednesday, the rest of the time I'm a sub, except for Thursday evenings at my yoga class where I'm a FW". Can't quite see how that works.

Now I know English is not the op's primary language but what exactly is a word of the mainstream? I'm not a polyglot, this is my only language.

Actually there are people who runs a business, maintains a very independent social life, lives alone, gets together with his/her master couple times a week and calls herself slave. While anybody can call themselves anything they want to and it is not our place to bother them about it , in reality this is against the concept of slavery. When there is slavery, concepts like "freedom", "owning something" , "independence" becomes inefficacious. So partial enslavement can mean "being slave in the scene" instead of living a life of a slave 24/7.

so ... even if I am owned meat, contractually etc owned by DV .. the job I have and the work I do prevents me from being a slave? Even if part of my service is being successful in life? Even if my salary funded our social life and exotic holidays?

I am not being hissy or snarky, I am genuinely interested in this concept of slavery.

Did you give up your freedom? Are you working at a job he allows you to work? Are you owning things he lets you to own? Then enjoy your slavery..

Do you have a job that nothing can make you quit? Do you maintain an independent life out of play time? Do you own things that he has got not authority on? Then you can be his slave anytime and anywhere you want to but you are not living a life of a slave.

Enjoy it anyway you want to

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 6/29/2008 8:12:44 PM

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As I now prefer to use the term, it denotes ownership in its basic sense: staking a claim to property, considering it yours, treating it as yours, and backing your claim if need be. Which goes beyond just having a proof of purchase laying about somewhere. The same notion of property that existed back before people started to define things in terms of the law and what its enforcers are willing to back. And, yes, you can claim humans in that way. People have done so for ages.

In the context of prior consent, that essentially means someone has initially approved the claim to themselves as property, which in my present ethic works just fine. Although I can think of few cases where I would want to keep up the effort that is required to keep someone that for an extended period does not still approve of being kept, I don't see a problem with it either. For me, that is one of the distinctions between two states: freely submitting vs. property.

In that regard, being a slave is more a matter of the owner than the slave, as the latter needn't submit for it to be a reality.

For us, this proved to be the only truly workable arrangement in any case. She never did manage to sustain an interest as long as it was contingent on suspense of disbelief, and needed the reality of it, including her knowing that a commitment to having the real thing (instead of the pretense) was present. For me to master her, rather than her mastering herself. For me to possess her, rather than her continually giving herself to me. It moved a lot of things forward, and in the course of what time passed like that, she grew a lot in a number of areas.

Other people will have a bunch of diverse definitions for it, so I rarely use the word... it doesn't communicate anything.
But the above is a preference I communicate to potential additions to the household by describing it.
Some slaves remark that it sounds too much like being a slave for their taste.

That always leaves me ever so slightly confused...

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