Aswad
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Owning a kajirus to make them become men?
No. Giving them a hard time to see if it'll put some spine into them. Either way, if one is willing to give himself over in that way, I see no reason why one should not seize on that choice. The wolf would be all too happy if sheep came prancing over to lie down and bare their necks. It's not my responsibility to make anyone but me the kind of person I want to be, unless I specifically want to change someone. And there really isn't too much to gain from that, unless one is of the mind that "is" needs to be brought in line with "should be." In my opinion, that is wishful thinking: humans tend to remain what they are, regardless of what one might want them to be. Hell, if humans were as I would have them, this planet would not be the least bit recognizeable.
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I suspect that the attempt would fail, men who become kajirus on Earth do so for far different reasons than those on Gor. On Gor only women submit willingly and of their own free will, men tend to be either captured or bred for the purpose.
I'm not on Gor. Nor would I want to be, except possibly to deliver a big can of insect spray into the priest kings' hive. Seeing as that effectively limits me to dealing with realities, the reality is that some people are willing to surrender their freedom, while others are not. And if I can make use of them, then I'd rather they surrender it to me than to someone else, or to some organization, corporation or nation. Regardless of gender, though I would have different uses for, and different ways of relating to, the two genders. And bear in mind that capture (in reality) of both genders would be the case more frequently than it is if one was not concerned with legal repercussions, or if it were not illegal. Although not among Normanists, of course.
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And in all honesty such men do not interest me either
I could list the kinds of women that do not interest me, but fortunately, I don't have to. I just avoid getting stuck with them, and that serves my purposes just fine. No need for me to go out and complain about how women should not be that way, or how they are not twue women. They just aren't my thing at all, so I vote with my feet and leave it at that. I fail to see where that should be any different with regard to men.
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and I do not understand women who claim to be Gorean and yet who want male slaves either
Sounds like you do not have a dominant wiring, then. I do not understand submissives and slaves of either gender. But I don't need to understand them, because it all somehow magically works out when I get my hands on them. Maybe it's one of those things where 200.000 years of evolution has done something right for a change, I dunno. I seem to recall there being references to that in the books, maybe. (Note that this is playful sarcasm.)
Seriously, though, a dominant woman and a submissive woman can't understand each other, beyond the purely intellectual. And you strike me as being smart enough to be able to piece together an intellectual understanding of dominant women. Settle for understanding yourself and interacting with what you don't understand on the basis of how it influences your life as you encounter it, eh? That obviates the need for any crusades to the Twue Lands with Gorean Templar Insectiods riding tarns at the head of the column. In fact, I think we can even skip the purifying fire of twueness.
There's a lot of people- and groups thereof- that we don't understand. And they probably don't understand us. The question is: can we coexist, or must we have war to settle things?
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It is more honest I feel to simply say you’re a BDSM dominatrix who enjoys the Gor books and incorporates some of it into your life.
Similar things could be said of many men who identify as Gorean, but the bottom line is that it is more a question of whether one lives according to a set of values, and I fail to see where the philosophy is invalidated by being subscribed to by a woman, or where a woman's adherence to the philosophy is invalidated by her gender, or where your interpretation of the philosophy becomes normative. Certainly, there has been a fair bit of variation in terms of how people choose to interpret the Gorean philosophy, and I would say that a woman interpreting them to include the possibility of her living true to herself- as opposed to living true to Norman's perceptions of what she "should" be- is well within a standard deviation or two of the average there.
Now, a woman pretending to be dominant, in spite of a non-dominant nature, is another matter.
But it would be the same for a man to pretend to be dominant when he lacks that wiring. When a submissive woman meets my eyes and turns docile and intent on pleasing, I smile inwardly because I like it that way. When a submissive man meets my eyes and averts his own before giving me right of way, I smile inwardly because I like it that way. It's right, in my personal view. The difference is that while my inclinations for a submissive woman may tend toward the sexual, my inclinations for a submissive man may tend toward taking charge and leading him. Conquest and defiance requires someone to conquer and someone to defy, and there's a whole spectrum of both out there, among both genders. Which is not to say that the traits are evenly distributed among the genders.
Bear in mind that it's not dominant women that have created the social ills satirized by John Norman.
It's submissive women who are afraid of their own submission and seek artificial "protection" from themselves.
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I never did understand this one size fits everyone idea.
It seems to me that you understand it very well, so maybe you meant "this Gor is for everyone idea?"
And perhaps it is the introspection that needs a tune-up, rather than the comprehension?
No offense; this trait is less in you than in the population average.
To say nothing of the Gorean average...
Health,
al-Aswad.
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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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