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RE: Working girl - 7/17/2008 5:15:47 PM   
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Here are a bunch of jobs that I would consider to be appropriate for a gorean slave  (In no particular order)

1.  Waitress (not bar tender)  - Ah yes, because every man wants to own a slave girl that spends 8 hours a day on her feet and by the time she gets home she's too exhausted to blink, much less serve him.

3.  Stripper  (Yeah, I know most find it empowering - but it doesn't have to be.)  - Most find it either empowering or degrading. And as much fun as it may sound to "degrade" a slave, in the end that just bites you in the rump. To my understanding, most girls who strip for a living usually end up thinking men are all drooling morons. Now there's what you want your slave to think of you!

4.  Any job in a kitchen except the master chef. - Again with the absolute exhaustion by the end of the day.

5.  Dog walker  - This won't pay much, really. Thats why the people doing it are usually high school students.

6.  Maid - I've worked as a maid. Believe me, its right up there with waitressing and kitchen work.

7.  Fluffer for porn - OMG EW?? Would you even want to kiss your slave after -that-?

8.  Rickshaw driver (real job in NYC - they use a bicycle to pull tourists around.) - Wow, you must like your slaves to be just about comatose, huh?

-giggles-

So, that only leaves one viable position (from your list) that won't leave the girl too exhausted to be of any use to him or too nastified to be desirable.

To the OP -- Having been a girl who was a slave and also needed to bring in a bit of money, I know what you're going through. "Bring it to your Master's feet ..." is basically everyone else's way of saying, "You're not our slave so why should we deal with your problems?" And yeah, I know Goreans hate whiners and any slave who complains about anything is seen as a whiner.

Seriously though, you probably won't find any good answers here and between this board and your Master, I'd go with talking to your Master about it. After all, you -are- his slave and therefore you -are- his problem. :)



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RE: Working girl - 7/17/2008 5:17:31 PM   
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I was just debating on adding to his list a few professions that I can see a Gorean slave having...

Interior decorartor
Lawyer
Head Chef
Doctor
Teacher
Any damned job she is qualified for... although time constraints may make some of those positions not acceptable to her owner.

Then again I might be a radical in my thinking that I enjoy an intelligent capable woman....

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RE: Working girl - 7/17/2008 5:31:25 PM   
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Any damned job she is qualified for... although time constraints may make some of those positions not acceptable to her owner.

Then again I might be a radical in my thinking that I enjoy an intelligent capable woman....


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RE: Working girl - 7/17/2008 6:48:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I was just debating on adding to his list a few professions that I can see a Gorean slave having...

Interior decorartor
Lawyer
Head Chef
Doctor
Teacher
Any damned job she is qualified for... although time constraints may make some of those positions not acceptable to her owner.

Then again I might be a radical in my thinking that I enjoy an intelligent capable woman....


Tal Thadius,

Your last sentence, especially, is one people keep skipping by. Voyages of Acquisition focused on intelligent, talented women, and Norman drives this home repeatedly.

Owning a slave is different than a night's fantasy. Who would want to own a boring woman? Or one with no talent?

Women are fascinating. So are slaves---especially since they embrace the ENTIRELY of their womanhood, not simply fantasyland's cocksucking skills (though let's not discount the importance of those....)

An interesting woman is more exciting--and also potentially a much better slave.

Best,

Tim

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RE: Working girl - 7/17/2008 6:55:07 PM   
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8.  Rickshaw driver (real job in NYC - they use a bicycle to pull tourists around.)



Of late, we've had a number of these in the Museum District, Midtown and Downtown Houston.

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RE: Working girl - 7/17/2008 6:58:35 PM   
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Tal my friend,

Indeed, I cannot phathom owning anything but.  I guess the exception would be those that are too smart for their own good, you know the "know it all" types.

I want to be able to talk about anything and everything, without fear that I have to dumb it down or vice versa.. which means I will avoid talking about satire in art, as I still have alot to learn.  

Physical looks are good, but intellectual prowess is indeed beautiful.

Sorry for the hijack,
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RE: Working girl - 7/17/2008 7:08:08 PM   
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I keep wondering why so many possible challenging, exciting, and skillful jobs are being missed here. The women of John Norman's Gor were accountants, healers, lawyers -- none of these jobs were forbidden to a woman... heck, it even says in the books that most women owned their own businesses.

If a woman has never worked before, it's harder to find skilled work these days. If you don't want your slave on her feet all day, that knocks a whole bunch of jobs out of the running--but there are so many things that can be done.

To the OP... do you have a hobby? Many women turn their hobbies into money by starting their own business. For a number of years, I used my certificate as a French chef to cater small dinner parties and provide custom-decorated cakes and pastries. When I needed insurance, I turned those business skills around and went to work as an administrative assistant in a hospital, providing direct support for faculty. I marketed my business, medical (I was a midwife for 15 years), and writing (I've got several published short stories and 2 novels) skills into a position with good pay and excellent benefits. In a very roundabout way, my hobby created the foundation for a very secure niche. I've been promoted every single year that I've been on staff, and my current job makes full use of all of my expertise--and I answer only to myself about my day-to-day project load, as I am finally in a unique and specially created position that brings me back to the thing I love the most -- language and writing (yes, I am a word-fetishist).

If you don't have a marketable hobby, what do you love? Almost anything we love to do can be turned into a great job. My grown daughter loves drawing on people and designing clothes. She's starting her own clothing design company and learning to tattoo and pierce -- she wants to eventually combine them into a custom "wearables" and fetish art photog studio. In the interim, while she's learning, she's also -earning-... working at a local fetish/adult products store.

Think about what moves you -- that will be where the job will be that will nurture you, allow you to provide some extra income, and will leave you energized and joyful when you return to your Master at the end of your shift.

Calla Firestorm

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RE: Working girl - 7/18/2008 2:52:45 AM   
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In the books there was legal slavery to always remind a girl of her place, no matter what her job if she started to forget she was a slave while working having to work naked, or kneel while talking or just being sent naked to get some shopping would swiftly remind her that she was a slave. It was something she could never forget no matter how much power she seemed to have.

Here there is nothing that can do that and so many seek to instead put limits on what she can and cant do to artificially stop her getting too high and so forgetting her place.

In the end I think it all depends on both the girl and her master, if she doesn’t switch from slave to dominant while working and then have it cause additional problems when she gets home then I do not have a problem with whatever job she does, it is a waste to have her doing useless jobs where she wont get paid much if her potential earnings can help you both.

She is a slave after all and her primary goal is to make her owner happy, if he is happy with her earning a six figure sum for him or working on her knees scrubbing floors that is his choice.

My own personal bias is that I don’t agree with slaves being the CEO of a company, but life doesn’t always make things black and white and there could easily be situations where that happens and she still remains a slave and it doesn’t interfere at all.

Cheryl

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RE: Working girl - 7/18/2008 4:14:24 AM   
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Cheryl, just out of curiosity, have you ever owned a slave?

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RE: Working girl - 7/18/2008 5:04:06 AM   
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Hi all,

In my opinion, serving in a job does not make a woman or anyone a slave or even a possible slave or remotely a slave type person -  so therefore, it really doesn't matter what type of job she does.  What does make her a slave is the Man who owns her.  A woman can work at any job and not forget she is a slave, even when she is acting authoritively because of her Master's hold on her.  It is his responsibility to hold her in her slavery, and when he chooses to send her out to a high stress/powered job of authority because he enjoys the results of the labor of his slave, then he also, i presume, will have weighed and expect some of the consequences of her being a figure of authority for most of the day and have a reasonable expectation of himself with regard to perhaps having a stronger hold on her, as well as occassionally needing to remind her of her place in his life more than he would have to if he kept her in some drudgery job.  To me, it could probably be compared to having a love slave -- because of his decision and choices with regard to his slave, in order to maintain the dynamic he created and wishes he may have to tighten his hold, be harsher, or more strict with her, to maintain what he wishes.  Just as, to me, if he sends her out to drudgery jobs he would have to deal with the consequences of a possibly unkempt, dirty, or physically exhausted women when she comes home.

It all depends how much work and effort he is willing to put in to maintain what he wishes because of the consequences that may arise because the decisions he makes for his slave.  It doesn't really matter what type of job a woman has if the Man is first of all mastering her and not expecting her to self-mastery herself into being a slave. 

Slavery is not a lone concept that a woman accomplishes on her own.

angel

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RE: Working girl - 7/18/2008 7:38:16 AM   
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Hi Thadius,

I think if we were on Gor, you would be seen as a liberal....LOL
No insult intended...just having a bit of fun with ya

much care,
Maah


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RE: Working girl - 7/18/2008 7:40:21 AM   
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quote:

An interesting woman is more exciting--and also potentially a much better slave.



  Hi Tim,

  Spot on dear man.

much care,
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RE: Working girl - 7/18/2008 7:42:20 AM   
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Nope angel never met one that suited my tastes.

Cheryl

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RE: Working girl - 7/25/2008 3:55:50 PM   
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Tal ShreveportMaster,

Around these parts, the legal risk is entirely on the buyer's head.

Effective from earlier this year, a law was enacted to outlaw buying the services, but not selling them. Profiting from someone else selling such services has been outlawed longer than I have been around (in fact, for that reason, their income is not taxed, because that would- in the eyes of the law- make the state their pimp). Of course, this law was enacted out of pity (another good example of where pity is harmful) and input from the feminazis (the kind that gets all in a huff when money is spent on securing roads instead of swapping traffic lights at zebra crossings with ones that have gender neutral stick figures instead of the classic man-with-a-hat). It was also enacted against the insistent pleas of every support group for prostitutes out there, including the prostitutes' own "labor union."

As a consequence, the physical risk has gone up significantly.

No longer can the girls afford to turn down the worst clients, because the good catches either don't want to risk it, or have too much of that law-abiding citizen thinking about them. The worst clients obviously don't have the patience to find women who will put up with them, and the services they are out to buy tend to be the sort that most women would kick them out of the house for even bringing up. Of course, now the shelters are filling up, and it's all going from being a comparatively harmless industry with individual prostitutes working alone or in small groups, to being a pretty hardcore environment with rising drug abuse, rising disease, rising violence, more consumption of police resources, onset of illegal immigration and pimping, violent attempts at hogging the smaller customer base, etc.

All in all, the feminists are outraged, the police and hospitals are exasperated, the feminazis are pretty happy, and the pitiers choose to see it as confirmation that they were right in the first place; nothing new under the sun. I must say I prefer Denmark in this regard. Not only does it remain legal there, but their universal healthcare system even extends to covering expenses to hire the services of prostitutes for people with disabilities when the lack of physical intimacy causes significant distress. That's got to qualify as getting your money's worth, tax-wise. -lol-

Really, prostitution is something men should embrace, if anything. Disease is easily controlled by requiring a licence and regular checkups to keep the licence (has been done in some countries, and works). Violence is tied to the availability of customers and the ability to do business "above board," and drug abuse is inversely covariant with the same factors. When women were prohibited from holding land or earning money by themselves, prostitution was the one way any woman could achieve something she set her mind to, starting with financial independence. It's a service that men want. The real reason it has come to be regarded so poorly is at least twofold: (a) in societies where a woman otherwise needs to be attached to a man to have a decent standard of living, prostitutes are unwanted competition, as they allow men to have what they want without making a commitment, and (b) in extremely patriarchal societies, the perceived threat of the financial independence of even a few women is so "grave" that it must be outlawed. The rest is mostly men parroting women, i.e. generations of viral manipulation, until we all forget where it started.

I fail to see where strong men, whether ruling or not, have anything to fear from prostitution.

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RE: Working girl - 7/29/2008 5:38:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

I fail to see where strong men, whether ruling or not, have anything to fear from prostitution.

Health,
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Quickly, then I shall scarper: some of us 'feminazis' believe that strong men should not need to buy the services of anybody to be sexually fulfilled. Prostitution is to be feared from the side of the servicer.

Edited to replace 'don't' with 'shouldn't :-).

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RE: Working girl - 7/30/2008 12:35:56 AM   
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I agree with you 100% Aswad on the prostitution issue. It should be legal, regulated like any service industry so the pimps, dru dealers etc cant get involved.

There should be brothels where women can work safely and the men and women who use them guaranteed safe sex and no violence. Male prostitutes have always been around as well as female ones after all.

Make brothels and escort agencies legal, and yes give those with severe physical disabilities the ability to have sex with a man or woman for pay in a secure environment.

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RE: Working girl - 8/2/2008 4:49:52 PM   
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Quickly, then I shall scarper: some of us 'feminazis' believe that strong men should not need to buy the services of anybody to be sexually fulfilled. Prostitution is to be feared from the side of the servicer.


Might be worth noting that I neither named names nor used the term "feminazi" interchangeably with "feminist."

Anyway, I've not needed to buy such services at any point, but it might be convenient in some cases.
Streetwalkers are not an attractive option for me, though, and the créme is not worth it.
However, they fill some very important social and sexual niches, in my opinion.
Consider someone too busy to have a meaningful romantic relationship.
Or Ava's comment on "why your partners keep coming to me."
Those are just the obvious contemporary examples.

Either way, the distinction between prostitution, courtship and marriage is one of explicit vs implicit, taboo vs accepted, conscious vs unconscious: an unneccessarily complicated transaction takes place in a culturally prescribed manner, the goods in question being the body of a woman. Expectations and terms are part of the transaction, and when the deal ends, neither party will be entirely happy about what transpired, nor will either party be entirely unhappy about it, typically. And, of course, emotional connection varies. Maybe a bit cynical, but if you'd care to discuss it, I can outline a better case for it via PM (threadjacking and all that).

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RE: Working girl - 8/2/2008 9:29:02 PM   
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Hello Mistress Liz,

Yes I am owned.  I do speak to him about it, and he is working with me to help me overcome the mental blocks I am having.

It seems to be an easy answer, if you are not Gorean... you are not a slave to anyone else, so you do the job to the best of your ability, including being assertive and 'tough' when needed. In doing so on the job, I am pleasing to Him.

Somehow, though, it is a struggle for me... and I guess you're point is right on Mistress... no one else can really guide me through this but Him.   I suppose it is an issue each woman must be honest about and discuss with her Master... if she feels a job is negatively impacting her submission, and look to Him for direction on how he wants to deal with it, since He in fact, is the one leading her on the journey.

Thank you Mistress,
~evadne


I should start by saying that I am not Gorean. I am a Dominant woman and I am Mistress to my husband. I have been intrigued by things Gor twice this week and thought I would pop by and look around. I pray patients with me as I do not know your ways, and I fear I may inadvertantly offend. I will tread causiously and welcome education. With that brief introduction, I'd like to address this post, if I may.

My dearest (as I refer to my husband) also has issue with transfering from work to home life. Rather, he has issue settleing in his mind how he can dominate the workforce while remaining submissive to me. It has been a painful process that we have worked on for years. I believe that we differ from you in that for us, power exchange is only between my dearest and me. In other words, he is my slave, always and constantly. But in his relationships with others, he has many varying levels of authority and power. It's not about him walking in the door at home and suddenly changing hats. He is always my slave, no matter who he's redirecting at work, or what power and authority he has elsewhere, he is always, at all times, my slave. It's very non-linear and difficult for many to comprehend. Some of the things that I did to help him overcome his struggles is expecting him to be in authority at certain times in my presense. It was a lesson in him feeling both powerful and powerless at the same time. Because of our genders there are many natural oppertunities in life that lead to these exercises. For intance, if I need a mechanic I would take him with me. He is knowledgeable about cars and let's face it, he can get a straight answer from a mechanic better than I can. At my bidding, he would lead the discussion, ask the questions, inquire of options and all of that. Then, when the time had come for a decision, he would turn to me. This is not just a figurative notion. He would step back, look to me for answers, and make it known that I would make the decision. I would then have him inquire of any other quesition that I had for the mechanic. That is, I would ask my dearest questions that he would then ask the mechanic. A very intersting thing happens. People react to our power dynamics. They acknowledge it and reinforce it, even if they don't understand what is going on. The effect is that he is able to feel both powerful and powerless at the same time. He begins to understand how he can have power at certain aspects of his life, but always be under my power and control. Another chance for a similar excercise would be for me to tell him what to order at a resturant. I would tell him that he is to order the ribs for me and the chicken for himself. I have choosen his dinner, I have instructed him in more specifics about how he is to order and such. But I have made him to do what feels like to be the powerful thing but have taken all the power in it away. But theses are just exercises. The idea is that the practice allowed him to experience sensations and issues of complex power dynamics and to feel secure that I am always in control. This type of practice among other things helped him to deal with the issues of being a powerful man at work.

Another idea that I have see others use is to give a full and detailed work report. The idea is that the submissive is to report to her Master details of her work. How she completed a task. They discuss how should could have done some thigns better and the Master rewards work successes. This ritual reminds the submissive that her work pleases her Master and that she works for his glory. Even if the monies are not needed, the Master desires for her to keep up her skills and better herself professionally.

Still others have delt with the issue of power comflicts at work by holding onto symbolic rituals during the day. They may only pee at certain times or eat specified lunches. While these rituals have little bearing on the real Master/slave relationship, they can serve to remind the slave that she is owned, even when she is giving orders at work.

Good luck on your journey.

MsJ

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RE: Working girl - 8/3/2008 12:29:30 AM   
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What are you trying to accomplish with these lame, usually, one liners here on the Gorean board? I really don't comprehend what you are getting either emotionally or psychologically ( or if there is some other thing.)?? Most of these have a mean spiritedness attempt at humor that I don't find even barely amusing. What do you mean by "strong men"? weight lifters,body builders, construction workers? Are you saying "strong men should not need to buy the service to be sexually fulfilled" rather they are strong so they should just take what they want or need?? Lastly: "Quickly, then I shall scarper"  What does this mean???
 
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