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Tal Goreans,
I thought I’d offer a bit of Bovine flavor to this discussion. I’m going to hit you folks with my ideals on this. While these ideals were shaped or constructed by my own nature combine with those philosophies I gathered from the novels, I’m not going to offer a bunch of quotes or tell any of you how to think on this one, all I offer is my perspective and that’s pretty much the only thing any of us can do.
I love the idea of self determination, the freedom of choice. I have and will always fight for that ideal. If I was taken captive I’d never surrender the pursuit of my supposed freedom. I do that now in a society I feel robbed of certain freedoms. I consider times where our friend Tarl surrendered his freedom. Once he did it to save his life, and yet another time to save honor amongst men, and not just his own honor.
More often than not we as a species look for the simple answer and fail to forage deeper into the context of the natural or unnatural way of things. I love to stand beside men that value and cherish their freedoms. I admire a man that in the face of impending doom will never falter and in fact stand tall and proud. I want to be around men like this. Personally I’ve always been like this; but the Gorean philosophy I embrace defines this in the ethics and values it describes as most necessary and sought after in strong men. I have no desire to befriend a man that has no desire to live as free as he possibly can. I don’t despise him all that much, I simply am indifferent towards him. Whether he lives of dies has little value to me.
Like I think Trevelyan was earlier attempting to state this as well. I assume like he like me, are men that treasure our freedoms and personal liberties; we will in a way despise the ability of men that in our opinion “betray” or forgo these most prized concerns.
Take Tarl when in the book “Savages” takes the collar but is only somewhat treated as a slave. The men of the Kaiila knew the real reason and cause for his slavery and as he would have and did intend to stand to fight to the death, his courage and honor in that instance were dually noted and he though a slave had a certain degree of “respect” afforded him. Most often when he was there after treated as a slave it was meant to insult his “Master”, the man named Canka. So in this case I rather doubt the slave was despised, but surely the irony of this situation is clearly visible.
It is wise to remember that any man could become a “slave” or captive due to reasons beyond his own control. All men know this. I personally feel that is why our society has worked to care for its criminal element to the degree it has. Make laws with lenience in the event these laws are levied against ones self. Ever wonder if the judge that let’s the pedophile off easy might have all to good of understanding and reason for as much?
Things to ponder… Accountability and responsibility are scary virtues to face more often than not. A slave always has an excuse for his flaws and shortcomings. He is not personally responsible or accountable. Think about that tonight as you rest your weary eyes.
While the subject remains close at hand let us evaluate the Waniyanpi. Those “loathsome” creatures considered tame cattle. They were in fact the slaves of the Red Savages. To me they are much like a neutral country or a man that believes “we should lay down arms and bargain for peace”, a peace that most often if not entirely comes at the sacrifice of personal liberty. Those left under the defense and at the mercy of those that will allow them their “peace”. I allow my slave a certain type of peace if she is pleasing to me.
All that being said it seems that Tarl and Grunt paid them (the Waniyanpi) little mind. They are actually insignificant in the grand scheme. So long as their perceived weaknesses don’t infringe upon the daily affairs of the free what should they even matter. They are after all, only slaves. So this being said I believe it is almost a waste of time and energy to even contemplate a sense of contempt for such “pathetic” creatures. It is the man that bargains his supposed “freedom”, for safety or sexual favor that is his own undoing. The only time I find consternation in this is when it affects my own life.
Look around you and see the laws written and the societal implications levied in the name of fairness and the promotion of an “equal” playing field. A society of constructed of “The Sames”. Bahhhhhh, this is horseshit and no law that restricts the progress of one in order to protect the apathy of another is remotely close to anything fair. Humanity by nature is designed to advance by greed and conflict.
But I digress; slaves exist on both sides of the coin as certainly as the reality of the coin itself. Nature, which is the base of Gorean philosophy,(at least our interpretation of nature) is only a general condition and in that will have exceptions. We must recognize these exceptions, work to understand their reason and not allow those that would deceive, or impart these less common conditions as the norm.
Simply because a man would find personal comfort at the feet of a woman or another man doesn’t mean I have to like or dislike him, I simply need to understand he may exist and that he like my natural female slave should be held to his submission perfectly and without condition.
I myself believe that natural slaves on both sides of the coin exist, more so for the submissive side of things, but like the fact that some female dominants exist, so do male slaves. Although neither creature is as common as our mixed up society suggests.
Now let us consider the free women despising the female slave. Imagine the natural slave, the naturally born beast oozing with sexuality and lust; that wondrous and beautiful creature that can with her smooth luxurious gate turn the head of most women and nearly all men.
Ponder this. What if you were in denial of your natural charms or at least attempting to deny them? What if you wanted for everything, to be free yet acknowledge yourself a slave? To have all that some of you think a woman is and yet have these vicious men that say surrender completely or wear these robes to protect you from the certain fate of the collar. To have to deny your untamed sexuality in a cloak of robes simply to ensure you give all or nothing. To be made to ignore the best part of you simply to maintain some illusion of “freedom”. Well, why this will certainly spark angst and controversy I remind you this is only my miserable opinion of the Gorean philosophies. But wouldn’t you girls that scorn the slave like to spend just one secret week in the arms of a man that would abuse you freedom and insist you discover your hidden passions, uncover those female needs and not despise you for them, but rather embrace you and love the creature that needs him without condition.
Yes I can see why a “free” woman despises the slave girl. Isn’t the reason more than obvious? Men, powerful, strong men want her. They want to own her completely and without condition. They demand it, they will accept nothing less and though you hear differently all too often in open forum, the secret truths are known. The slave has made it impossible for the free woman to get everything she wants. No bargain shopping so long as that slut makes it needless No woman I have ever spoken with has been able to deny this possibility. It is after all, their side of the coin.
The interesting part is that women that really seek the type of freedoms I do as a man, could give two shits about a slave girl and her lust. They are content within their own existence. What I feel personally is those that harbor feelings of bitterness toward the slave do so out of a jealous nature. Why else even give a damn. Liz or Kimveri could give two hoots about my slut and what it is I do with her. They are “free” of this jealous nature towards their own personal freedoms. They are more than satisfied within the context of their own lives and who they are.
The one thing that we MUST stop trying to do as humans is attempt to assert commonality, fair and balanced natures. The idea that men and women are the same is preposterous. We have to stop attempting to look at different creatures in the same light. Until this ridiculous notion is suspended we will never discover harmony……….of any kind.
On a side note, Trevelyan my friend do you truly think that considering a slave on the level of owned property no different than cattle infers a Goreans despises them? I don’t believe I look at my ishy and see a cow or a dog; I damn sure don’t see a creature I despise. I’ve never wanted to take a cow in my arms and ravish it. Though I love to plant my nose into the hide of a newborn calf and breathe deeply. I do consider ishy my property the same as the cows in the pasture. She is my property. In all that is or is not, she belongs to me. You are a man of deep thought, ponder more on this. I love both of my dogs, and the cows for that matter, but those feeling plain in comparison to the female slave that withers and moans with delight trapped beneath me in the sheets of my bed. I don’t despise her, but I’ll tell you what I do despise in women. The woman that denies her true calling, her true nature. And while tons of women will read this and fuss, he isn’t talking about me. We all know this is often contrary to reality. Just asking. Ponder on this a bit my good neighbor.
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Bull
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