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Really confused now! - 8/4/2008 6:45:43 PM   
MissSCD


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Status: offline 		I thought I had this election firgured out until I watched "Glen Beck" this evening.   I really wish Glen would run for President.  I know I would vote for him.
One thing I have to say is that he points out the truth regardless of the parties involved.  I have heard him tell off the President, congress, and candidates all at once.
What did he bring out tonight?   Obama's past political base as being communist/socialist.  
I cannot vote for McCain.  Sorry.
I may not vote.
I knew that Obama was the most liberal candidate in the democratic party.  He is moving to the center.   It is going to be hard to overcome this one. 
At the same time, McCain is so far to the right, he is moving to the center. 
What ever Obama comes out with, McCain is grabbing at straws.  Now it comes down to who do you believe?
I believe neither of them.
I will vote straight democrat because of one particular issue and that is women has the right to choose. 
My slave has always said I was conservative.  I am, but I am conservative Democrat and there are not many of us left. 
Just wondering what you think.
 
 
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BTW:  This is not meant to upset anyone.  I am just saying I am confused as heck.  It took Glenn Beck to wake me up. 
 
 
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RE: Really confused now! - 8/4/2008 7:17:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many folks will be waking up soon, as they see more clearly what the 2 candidates represent and believe.  Flowery speeches or military service are simply not enough to win my vote, so both are still under tough scrutiny, from me.

You do realize that using the easy button (the check box or punch box) to vote straight party line, still casts a vote in the presidential.. Unless you were talking about going straight down the line finding each Dem to vote for, not sure what laws are in place where you are, I remember when Illinois got rid of the one punch vote for an entire party.  I would suggest you research all of the candidates you are able to, there are members of both of the major parties that are pro-choice and pro-life, so if that is the important issue for you, take a look at em all in your district.  Heck, there might be alternative party candidates that are more in line with your positions.

Relying on the news or a talkshow host to open your eyes probably won't make the process any easier.

Good luck to you in your decision making,
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RE: Really confused now! - 8/4/2008 8:56:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I won't be voting straight Democrat now Thadius. 
 
We are in serious trouble.   We sure don't want another Bush or Clinton in the White House either.
 
I am just hoping the two will clarify what they are saying.  The debates are going to be a total disaster for both parties this year. 
 
Also, Thadius, I am a huge Glen Beck and Nancy Grace fan.  I listen to what both have to say. My slave swears I will be listening to Russ next.  No way.
 
 
Regards, MissSCD

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/4/2008 9:09:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you listen to Glen Beck you know that 'communist' is a label he throws around without regard for facts...why would you assume that Hillary, or Edwards, or Obama actually is one?

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/4/2008 9:13:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glen Beck is certainly not the one to believe. That communist/socialist comment is akin to the "swift-boating" of John Kerry.

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/4/2008 9:26:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well Miss, I guess it would seem that their plan is working.

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/4/2008 9:54:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yikes! I certainly wouldn't vote for Glenn Beck if he were running. But then again, I can't vote anyhow, since I'm not an American. ;)

Despite your confusion, I would urge you to vote. As Thadius advised, research the candidates on your own. These radio (and t.v.) talk show hosts are paid to be controversial and entertaining in their opinions - they are not journalists. There will be an elected president and he will either be McCain or Obama, I do hope you realize the importance of participating in that choice.

I still recall what my high school social studies teacher said about politicians...that they campaign as left or right, but those in power tend to gravitate towards the center.


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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 5:21:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bush certainly didn't gravitate to the center... he campaigned as being "a uniter, not a divider" and as being America's first CEO style presidency... Obviously, we got something very different. A trashed Constitution, a weakened division between church and state, and America becoming a wiretapping/torture state.

I wouldn't bother with Beck, or O'Riley, Grace, or Limbaugh. They get their marching orders directly from the White House.

Try some of the "fact check" websites. They'll tell you who's playing dirty politics, and who's claims have some kind of foundation in reality.


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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 5:55:42 AM   
MissSCD


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Status: offline 		Beck is pretty good.  He says things sometimes that don't make much since.  I will not vote for McCain. I may write in someone. 
I want to get to the truth of the matter.  Wait until the debates.
Like I said, I am a Democrat.  I vote for the person, and I like Obama.
We are living in a corrupt world with evil controlling it.
 
Regards, MissSCD
 

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 7:55:21 AM   
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beck and grace... beck was a rodeo clown---

dont you see-the drum beat for no tax increases.   all the while we keep bailing out Wall street!!!!

Houses are still here. They were not wiped out such as a katrina, or a earthquake or fires... the HOUSES still exist!    Now being that banks esoteric accountuing methods are so fake that they no longer trust eachothers books- why is that MY PROBLEM??  My house is still here.  All the neighbors houses are still here. Why should I bail out Wall Street?

Glen Beck is a tool of the establishment.  He is a tv friend in tv land. he isnt going to drop in at your home for coffee at 7pm.  He is no bodies friend- he isnt serving you. He is spoon feeding you trivialities, in between messages to sell you stuff... he is a buffoon.

CNN -Fox become mouthpiece of the ruling elite.

listen up galfriend. You dont just vote once then you are done.
get in touch with congress and make them do YOUR will!   [not wall street]

http://www.congress.org

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 3:12:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, the houses are doing great.... too bad about the families livin' in the street, huh? Oh well, nothing new, considering the GOP has been dismantling the middle class since the Reagan era... precious few new millionares... but millions of poverty stricken Americans.

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 4:07:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		This election isn't that hard to figure out.

There's the candidate who's all mouth and no experience.

There's the candidate who's less mouth and more experience.

They're both politicians, they're both ethically scummy, they're both cheats and liars, they're both economically illiterate, they both have yet to articulate anything resembling a practical vision of what their term in office would be like. (no, sports fans, "change we can believe in" does not qualify as a vision).

The only real question at stake in this election is the Democratic party's ability to remain a viable national party in the 21st century. Pelosi and Reid have been abject failures at leading Congress (Congress' approval ratings are consistently WORSE than GWB's); if they fail to get the White House in the next 8 years, the Dems are going to look mighty weak as a governing party on the national stage.

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 4:29:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glenn Beck is apparently making stuff up. I used to live in Hyde Park, part of the state senate district Obama represented, and looked into his background when he first ran.

He was at the time splitting time between teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago law school, hardly a bastion of socialist or communists, and working as a community organizer, most notably running a voter registration drive that registered 150,000 unregistered Illinois voters.

There are some socialists amongst the liberals in Chicago but I know of no avowed communists with any sort of influence and Obama certainly never got involved with the well known communist groups here.

The final nail in coffin of the whole socialist/communist story is who is running his campaign. His campaign chair is David Plouffe and his media guy is David Axelrod. The two are partners in a campaign management business and Axelrod is well known in chicago. He is Mayor Daley's top campaign guy. Daley is a long way from being a socialists or even a liberal. That Axelrod and his company will work for Obama is pretty clear evidence that Axelrod views Obama as electable and fundamentally a socialist or communist is neither.

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 5:06:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Becks and Limbos of America would have felt right at home during the Inquisition, where they could denounce anyone they didn't like as "witches" or "heretics".

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 6:35:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Yeah, the houses are doing great.... too bad about the families livin' in the street, huh? Oh well, nothing new, considering the GOP has been dismantling the middle class since the Reagan era... precious few new millionares... but millions of poverty stricken Americans.


Hmmm... less millionaires....
quote:

 http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/28/news/economy/millionaires/ 

The number of American millionaires rose to a record level last year, and they're disproportionately located in four counties in California, according to an analysis released Tuesday.




Other states with counties that boast the highest number of millionaires across the country are Illinois, Arizona, Texas, New York, Florida and Massachusetts.


Homeless on the rise??
quote:

  USA Today  Jul. 28, 2008

The U.S. had 12 percent fewer homeless last year than in 2005, and the greatest decline occurred among those who chronically live on the streets or in emergency shelters, according to a federal report to be released Tuesday.

"This reduction is the largest documented decrease in homelessness in our nation's history," says Philip Mangano.


There are some serious issues going on here right now, but let's not overstate the issue.  You are beginning to remind me of Chicken Little, "We are doomed, we are all going to die, unless St. Obama saves us" (quote to paraphrase your general comments as of late, at least my opinion of them).

I have to agree with the general consensus though, listening to Beck, Grace, Matthews, and Limbaugh to get your news and information, is about the same as trying to figure out what is going on in the world by doing the daily crossword puzzle in you local paper.

Just my thoughts,
Thadius

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 6:39:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks DomKen.  You really helped me out on this one.  The part I am conserned with about the democrats is off shore drilling.  We need it.  They want to back the environmentalists and not use that resource.
We need every resource available that we can do to have our independence back.  Like I said earlier, I like Obama. 
My slave is a bit anti-democrat since he grew up with the Kennedys.  
I watched Glenn again tonight, and right away he attacks the speaker of the house.  I really don't like her, but this is just an example of what I am learning.  He went on to say that she was telling the House in public to push for off shore drilling, but in private she was telling not to drill.
How did he know what she was saying in private?
 
Regards, MissSCD

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 6:45:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe that this race comes down to one question: the future of the Supreme Court for the next 15 years - including the future of Roe v. Wade. Voting for Obama is the only way to assure that Pro-Choice rather than Anti-Choice justices are appointed when the next justices retire over the next few years.

So, MissSCD - and anyone else who might be wavering - I hope you will vote.

- Angel

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 7:40:25 PM   
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There are some socialists amongst the liberals in Chicago but I know of no avowed communists with any sort of influence and Obama certainly never got involved with the well known communist groups here.


Where to begin...
Who was his mentor and teacher before he headed off for college? Frank Marshall Davis.
Who was his boss during the "political organizing"?  Gerald Kellman.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080728/bs_ibd_ibd/20080728issues fun new story..

But since you brought up his run for the state senate...

quote:

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/
Obama's socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat.  Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the "champions" of "Chicago's democratic left" and a long-time socialist activist. Obama's stint as a "community organizer" in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.   
  

I won't talk to much about Axelrod and Daley, their records speak for themselves, but if you are claiming that Daley is squeaky clean you definitely have your eyes closed.  As somebody that was born and raised in Bridgeport, I am intimately familiar with the Daleys. What issue is Daley not liberal on?  I am more curious though about Axelrod's comment about Ayer's and Obama's connections... he claimed that their children went to the same schools...  I hate to inform him that Ayer's youngest is 27.

I think that is enough to digest for now.

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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 7:46:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

Thanks DomKen.  You really helped me out on this one.  The part I am conserned with about the democrats is off shore drilling.  We need it.  They want to back the environmentalists and not use that resource.
We need every resource available that we can do to have our independence back.  Like I said earlier, I like Obama. 
My slave is a bit anti-democrat since he grew up with the Kennedys.  
I watched Glenn again tonight, and right away he attacks the speaker of the house.  I really don't like her, but this is just an example of what I am learning.  He went on to say that she was telling the House in public to push for off shore drilling, but in private she was telling not to drill.
How did he know what she was saying in private?
 
Regards, MissSCD


Politico released an article talking about Pelosi's strategy... she has been suggesting that members that were in heated battles back the offshore drilling, that she would play lightning rod.

quote:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12304.html
But what looks like intraparty tension on the surface is part of an intentional strategy in which Pelosi takes the heat on energy policy, while behind the scenes she’s encouraging vulnerable Democrats to express their independence if it helps them politically, according to Democratic aides on and off Capitol Hill.



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RE: Really confused now! - 8/5/2008 8:00:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

Thanks DomKen.  You really helped me out on this one.  The part I am conserned with about the democrats is off shore drilling.  We need it.  They want to back the environmentalists and not use that resource.
We need every resource available that we can do to have our independence back.  Like I said earlier, I like Obama. 
My slave is a bit anti-democrat since he grew up with the Kennedys.  
I watched Glenn again tonight, and right away he attacks the speaker of the house.  I really don't like her, but this is just an example of what I am learning.  He went on to say that she was telling the House in public to push for off shore drilling, but in private she was telling not to drill.
How did he know what she was saying in private?
 
Regards, MissSCD


To be honest, additionally off-shore drilling is typical D.C. feel-good foolishness; nothing more than a sad joke. If we knew today  today exactly where to start drilling (skipping that whole pesky time-consuming exploration phase that is not completed) and we had a 100% chance of the deposit being perfect without any significant problems (of which there are many in common practice), we wouldn't see any significant oil production for about five years or so. It would still be useless oil unless we significantly expand our refinery capacity, which is already woefully inadequate. We would also need expand our pipelines and oil tanker fleet (both of which are already in severe need of modernization, at bare minimum). Approving a bit of extra drilling space does nothing without a comprehensive upgrade to our entire oil distribution and processing infrastructure.

In a similar timeframe, we could build numerous additional nuclear plants, improve coal and petroleum use efficiency and bring a number of potential alternative energy sources up to acceptable levels of efficiency and market viability. It also wouldn't hurt to repair and upgrade our railways, the most fuel and labor efficient means of long-distance ground shipping. Mass transit would be nice, but it would be politically difficult (at best) to justify the kind of capital investment necessary to implement such a scheme in the United States.

The surest way to solve our oil issues is to reduce our demand for the product by any reasonable means. Reduced demand will result in depressed prices, as well as correspondingly increasing the percentage of our needs that can be met domestically, with or without additionally drilling and refinery capacity. Additional production will be more effective, if we take efforts (first, or concurrently) to reduce demand by increasing efficiency and diversifying our energy sources. What we need is a comprehensive energy plan, not a trite politicized solution.

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