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Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/20/2008 8:43:46 PM

xBullx

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Greeting Goreans and others,

I'm addressing this mostly to the "Gorean" men, but others are welcome to read along.

I was reading through a thread just over that way ---> and I came upon a comment I often enough see when men are discussing their supposed slave. I imagine often that it is not a kajira in question with statements such as the following, but at times they are addressed as such.

I'll post the statement in question and make a quick re-direct.

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ORIGINAL: Wardandjune

I would never stipulate 'willing' June to anyone upon my exit from this rock, nor ever share her with anyone while I'm alive and kickin' and she's down and lickin'. She is mine and mine alone. I don't need anyone else.

Who is a statement like this intended to impress? The general public, the slave or perhaps the typist himself... I mean, I could most likely give a shit about the use of his slave while he is alive and can't imagine why I or any other Gorean man would care about why he would or would not need anyone else. I mean this didn't even pertain to the question of the thread.

So in the end it appeared this statement wasn't actually addressing the question of the thread about being willed to someone.

Rather it seems to me we have another male that is mistaking his submissive companion, that he has mislabeled as a slave for an actual slave. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

While the BDSM community seems to have broad ranging definitions for what a slave is; I don't believe the Gorean community does, or at least it would seem to me we shouldn't.

So gut check time for the men out there, the Gorean ones at least....

Do you own your slave or do you have an agreement with a wife or girl friend to allow you to treat her like a slave when it feels comfortable to do so?

Yes I know, this sounds a bit pretentious, but this is a question I have asked myself several times in my life and have made life changing choices because I did face the truths this question made me own up too.

A quick note... If you found yourself annoyed with the content of this post.......................Why do you think that is?

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/20/2008 9:03:08 PM

ShreveportMaster

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Tal Bull,
I do not presently own a girl (though I would love to, if the right one presents herself) but in the past when I have owned them, it's been clearly understood from the outset that she was My property. Sounds like what you are describing is the avis lease a kajira program. Do you get frequent Tarn miles with it, or at least Green Stamps?

I wish you well,
Shreve

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/20/2008 11:49:39 PM

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A few tangental thoughts

I own my bunny rabbit (see pic on profile). He is categorically my property. I don't think anyone in their right mind would say my bunny and I are equals and that he just acts like my pet when it suits him. He is my pet and my cherished property.

I love him, and I adore him. I enjoy giving him treats and watching him scamper around the room in happiness. I sometimes let myself get drawn in by his cute face, and give him an extra treat, but that doesn't mean he's a free, wild rabbit. He remains an owned, domesticated bunny even when he gets his way.

He hates being put in his carry box. I've put him in it twice - to go to the vet for shots and castration. In other words, when it was necessary for his physical health. I could decide that since I'm the Owner and he's the Bunny that I will put him in the carry box every night because when he is traumatised he goes into shock mode and cowers in the corner. He is much easier to pet when he's like that - normally he will only stay still for a minute tops. And as a pet Owner it's my right to put my bunny in a box whenever I want to, regardless of whether or not he particularly likes it.

But I don't. Even though I love to pet my bunny, I have decided that it is not worth traumatizing him to do so. That doesn't mean he's manipulating me into not putting him in his box, or that I've somehow given up my ownership of my pet by not enforcing my will on him. He's a bunny. He might look cute and all, but he's just not that cunning. I've made the decision that I love the little guy and I'll sacrifice a few of my whims to make sure he feels safe with me, and can trust me.

I wonder if perhaps the reason that what makes sense for "bunny" and "being put in his carry box" doesn't make sense for "girl" and "being pimped out" is because deep down, there's always a nagging feeling that it's not possible to truly own another human being. Or that it's somehow a proof of mastery to be able to force a girl to endure things she hates without her leaving.

If I wanted a pet I could keep in a box, I would have gotten a hamster. If I wanted a pet I could pick up and snuggle all the time, I would have gotten a tiny dog. I wanted a rabbit, and in getting a rabbit I chose to embrace his rabbit nature. Rabbits hop, binky, chew, race around the room, and put their heads down for a grooming. That's what he's good at, and that's what I encourage. A rabbit isn't a dog, or a hamster, or a cat - they have different natures - but they are all pets. If a man wants a girl whose nature it is to be shared, he should get that pet. Not the pet who is traumatised by it.

Forcing his pet into actions that go against its nature is more a sign of either ignorance or sadism. Mastery, in this woman's opinion, is more about discerning the animal's nature, bringing it out, and training it to excellence. YMMV.

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 4:00:33 AM

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Tal Bull...

This is just a very quick reply, but when I see statements like the one you quoted, I automatically assume the guy making them is so insecure about himself and his mastery of the female that he doesn't dare let anyone else near her because he thinks she will leave him and follow them as being the better man. I have seen a few and read/heard about a lot more pussy-whipped Doms like that. They are only dominant when their sub/slave lets them be dominant which is usually when she wants to show off how submissive she is.

Be well.....

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 5:36:39 AM

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Morning Elisabella,

You are missing an important point in your analogy. You have the right to do so, and choose not to. Both you and your bunny know that it is possible that you will choose to put it in a box, for whatever reason you choose.

The same can be said of sharing a slave, that is my decision to make. I am the one that weighs the pros and cons, and decides if that is the way in which I desire to use my property. Very much like you have decided that the only time you will put your bunny in the box is for traveling to the vet.

Have a great day,
Thadius

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 5:41:56 AM

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Tal Bull,

I agree with you, it sounds very much like somebody attempting to impress themselves, and perhaps even convince themselves that they are in control. As Malkinius pointed out it reaks of insecurity.

Anyways, I am off to renegotiate what is being made for breakfast.

I wish you well,
Thadius

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 6:28:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Morning Elisabella,

You are missing an important point in your analogy. You have the right to do so, and choose not to. Both you and your bunny know that it is possible that you will choose to put it in a box, for whatever reason you choose.

The same can be said of sharing a slave, that is my decision to make. I am the one that weighs the pros and cons, and decides if that is the way in which I desire to use my property. Very much like you have decided that the only time you will put your bunny in the box is for traveling to the vet.

Have a great day,
Thadius

No, I didn't miss that. I said "And as a pet Owner it's my right to put my bunny in a box whenever I want to, regardless of whether or not he particularly likes it."

I don't think the person quoted in the OP said "I don't have the right to share my slave" or "it has been decided for me that I will not share my slave" or anything else. He's the owner. He made the decision. Whether or not you agree with his decision is a matter of opinion, but I don't understand the argument that says "no, he didn't really make that decision."

It's likely he weighed the pros and cons and figured that the benefits of not sharing his slave outweighed the benefits of sharing his slave. It can be taken at face value, or more can be read into it. But like everything, the analysis will likely reflect the analyst more than it will reflect the statement, which is why some people can look at it and think "wow, pussy whipped" and others can look at it and say "wow, protective" while still others can think "wow, afraid of losing her to a hotter guy."

Me? I just think it means he doesn't want to share his chick

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 6:31:30 AM

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You ar eright

There is only one definition of slave in Gor. A slave is owned. It is property.

However is she owned like like a rock is owned or a house or a peice of furniture? Or is she owned like a dog is owned or a horse? You don't care what a rock thinks or how your house feels about the color you are painting it or whether your chair likes you to sit on it. You would however care about your dog or your horse feel. You would make sure they were warm and fed. Would you not care for a slave asmuch?

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 6:35:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maxx45pa

You ar eright

There is only one definition of slave in Gor. A slave is owned. It is property.

However is she owned like like a rock is owned or a house or a peice of furniture? Or is she owned like a dog is owned or a horse? You don't care what a rock thinks or how your house feels about the color you are painting it or whether your chair likes you to sit on it. You would however care about your dog or your horse feel. You would make sure they were warm and fed. Would you not care for a slave asmuch?

Oh but I do care about what benefits a certain paint will provide for my house, or what maintenance must be done. I also have to take into account how much that upkeep is going to cost, both in time and money, is it worth keeping it, or perhaps it would be better to rent it out...

Just a quick thought.

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 6:54:47 AM

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Hello Little Bunny of Six Foot,

Your post here is the reason I addressed this thread mostly to the men and certainly to the Goreans or at least those that understand what it is to be Gorean. I'm left to question your ability to understand the concept of mastery and slavery or perhaps you are still facilitating the western concept of the excuse. As in this case the excuse to not put forth the understanding and ability to actually master the female. You realize that people lock away or hide their property in a lock box because they fear another will take it from them.

It might be time you discovered the wonderful taste of hassenpheffer.

Reading your post here it is rather plain that you may not be grasping the concept held within the Gorean Morality or at least the Morality of Masters. At the very least you are bent on denying the idea of such.

One key point you appear to be missing is that a Gorean man is not attempting to alter the premise of the woman or change her from being something other than what she always has been meant to be. He simply insist she face the truth of who she is. Deny or conveniently ignore whatever you want, the heart of the matter is plain and simple.

It has been my experience that I have yet to find something a "slave" wouldn't do for her master when she is properly mastered and by being taught that when she is obedient she has nothing to fear. But I suppose their are men out there that shouldn't be allowed to own a hobby horse, nevermind a living breathing creature.

In any event, life is what it is, so go ahead and play with your bunny.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

A few tangental thoughts

I own my bunny rabbit (see pic on profile). He is categorically my property. I don't think anyone in their right mind would say my bunny and I are equals and that he just acts like my pet when it suits him. He is my pet and my cherished property.

I love him, and I adore him. I enjoy giving him treats and watching him scamper around the room in happiness. I sometimes let myself get drawn in by his cute face, and give him an extra treat, but that doesn't mean he's a free, wild rabbit. He remains an owned, domesticated bunny even when he gets his way.

He hates being put in his carry box. I've put him in it twice - to go to the vet for shots and castration. In other words, when it was necessary for his physical health. I could decide that since I'm the Owner and he's the Bunny that I will put him in the carry box every night because when he is traumatised he goes into shock mode and cowers in the corner. He is much easier to pet when he's like that - normally he will only stay still for a minute tops. And as a pet Owner it's my right to put my bunny in a box whenever I want to, regardless of whether or not he particularly likes it.

But I don't. Even though I love to pet my bunny, I have decided that it is not worth traumatizing him to do so. That doesn't mean he's manipulating me into not putting him in his box, or that I've somehow given up my ownership of my pet by not enforcing my will on him. He's a bunny. He might look cute and all, but he's just not that cunning. I've made the decision that I love the little guy and I'll sacrifice a few of my whims to make sure he feels safe with me, and can trust me.

I wonder if perhaps the reason that what makes sense for "bunny" and "being put in his carry box" doesn't make sense for "girl" and "being pimped out" is because deep down, there's always a nagging feeling that it's not possible to truly own another human being. Or that it's somehow a proof of mastery to be able to force a girl to endure things she hates without her leaving.

If I wanted a pet I could keep in a box, I would have gotten a hamster. If I wanted a pet I could pick up and snuggle all the time, I would have gotten a tiny dog. I wanted a rabbit, and in getting a rabbit I chose to embrace his rabbit nature. Rabbits hop, binky, chew, race around the room, and put their heads down for a grooming. That's what he's good at, and that's what I encourage. A rabbit isn't a dog, or a hamster, or a cat - they have different natures - but they are all pets. If a man wants a girl whose nature it is to be shared, he should get that pet. Not the pet who is traumatised by it.

Forcing his pet into actions that go against its nature is more a sign of either ignorance or sadism. Mastery, in this woman's opinion, is more about discerning the animal's nature, bringing it out, and training it to excellence. YMMV.

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 7:25:36 AM

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-fast reply-

Tal Men,

It seems we are seeing the same thing in something like this. I suspected that would be the case, thanks for the response to this point. I guess whenever I see things like this I am compelled to single out a short coming that men should be attempting to over come.

I don't think it matters a great deal if a man is like Canka of the Kaiila and wants to be selfish with a girl holds much affection for, but to allow her existance to effect your manhood and mastery as it did him at times is foolish. To allow the need for a "slave" to inspire you to make public comments or poor situation assessment that leave you looking like it is actually you that are the one that is owned, well it leaves me either chuckly or disgusted.

Thanks again, I do believe this is a subject that needs to be discussed from time to time amongst Gorean men until this love of the slave syndrome that leads to coddling and weakness in manly character is recognized easily by us all, the adaptation of the Gorean philosophy to the western world tends to blur the lines of what is a kajira. At least in my mind.

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 7:28:37 AM

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Tal Bull,

The kajira is property to do as the owner wishes, nothing more or less. There should be no sugar coating, no fantasy in the sky. That is why there is communication between the male and the female that wants to have steel around her neck. She is to be just a thing of property to do what the owner wishes.

With my conversations with a female slave I have told her that if another comes over for a visit and stays the night, then she will be offered to him to warm the bed. I have told her in no certain ways that she will be like that. If I do wish the female to venture to another males house to warm his furs, then so be it, she goes and does her job as my collar, no ifs or buts. She is there as a slave to do what I tell her, how to do it, when, but not why. For why should have no input, it is because I have said so, full stop.

I must point out that in no way hell am I in your league, Thadius, Malkinius. I am just me, just simple me.

Be well.

Frank Ar.

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 7:29:41 AM

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quote:

1. One key point you appear to be missing is that a Gorean man is not attempting to alter the premise of the woman or change her from being something other than what she always has been meant to be. He simply insist she face the truth of who she is. Deny or conveniently ignore whatever you want, the heart of the matter is plain and simple.

2. It has been my experience that I have yet to find something a "slave" wouldn't do for her master when she is properly mastered and by being taught that when she is obedient she has nothing to fear.

Heya Bull,

I would like to respond, but I first want to clarify two things.

1. This seems to be the exact same thing I was saying. Encourage the true nature. The only way I could imagine it would disagree with me is if you believe it's every slave's true nature to enjoy casual sex with a variety of men. Is that what you were saying?

2. There's a difference between 'would do this under threat of punishment' and 'would do this because it is in her nature to do so.' Agree or disagree?

-Mlle Lapin

< Message edited by Elisabella -- 8/21/2008 7:31:09 AM >

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 7:30:57 AM

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Yep, you're still missing it.............

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Me? I just think it means he doesn't want to share his chick

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 7:40:20 AM

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Elisabella,

If we are discussing the kajira there is no question in your comments below. She lives to serve her masters will not her comfort zones. It is quite important if a man wants a girl that is a kajira and capable of serving to his standards he doesn't select just any "chick". We don't have the luxury of auction barns filled with slave flesh.

You like always seem to be spending to much time trying to make this Gorean M/s arrangement fair and equitable...It isn't.

You see, a slave is a slave is a slave or it isn't.

Just view me as the local prick. It'll be easier for you that way.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

1. This seems to be the exact same thing I was saying. Encourage the true nature. The only way I could imagine it would disagree with me is if you believe it's every slave's true nature to enjoy casual sex with a variety of men. Is that what you were saying?

2. There's a difference between 'would do this under threat of punishment' and 'would do this because it is in her nature to do so.' Agree or disagree?

-Mlle Lapin

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 7:43:09 AM

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*grins*

I do think I am missing it. I can see how the post quoted in the OP could be seen as posturing of a sort, but I can't see how not wanting to share a girl means that the girl is the one controlling the relationship. I have a brother, a father, a few ex boyfriends and a bunch of guy friends. 9 out of 10 guys agree that if a girl is theirs, it means they don't want another guy's thing in her thang. The other 1 out of 10 are poly.

SixFoot doesn't even like the idea of me having been with other guys in the past.

*shrug* I do realise you addressed the topic to men (though I didn't notice that when I first posted) but one of the things I love about men is that I can sit here chirping away and they won't even notice me unless it suits them to.

That being said, I don't want to intrude, so if you ask me to I'll leave you gentlemen to discuss among yourselves.

-Lady Lagomorph

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 7:48:40 AM

Elisabella

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Elisabella,

If we are discussing the kajira there is no question in your comments below. She lives to serve her masters will not her comfort zones. It is quite important if a man wants a girl that is a kajira and capable of serving to his standards he doesn't select just any "chick". We don't have the luxury of auction barns filled with slave flesh.

You like always seem to be spending to much time trying to make this Gorean M/s arrangement fair and equitable...It isn't.

You see, a slave is a slave is a slave or it isn't.

Just view me as the local prick. It'll be easier for you that way.

Hello you awful awful prick with a fetish for sluterinas,

Not equitable. Just...sensible. To my eyes at least.

I don't know. It's nearly 1 AM here and SixFoot's got me on this healthy diet/going for long walks kick so I should get my enhancement-of-my-natural-beauty-that-was-already-there-to-begin-with sleep.

I look forward to reading what has been posted when I wake

Elisabella

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 9:47:26 AM

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Tal Frank,

All of us are just the men we are. I don't see myself as a league apart from any Gorean man. That's just it, I long for the day that we all remember or actually recognize the unique league we all belong too. If any of us are a league apart from you it is you that stops yourself from being there.

Reach for the stars and it is your own imagination and determination that either assist you or stops you from reaching them.

While it is certain we won't all do things the same or even understand things the same. We can by acknowledging our natural rights and responsibilities as men, both personally and and socially be able to directly or indirectly lift one another to heights uncommon.

The one thing I like best in the Gorean philosophies is that men respect and admire other men that do not deny their human condition. They expect men to reach out and grasp for what is theirs to master. We don't, do to weakness lower the bar to make standards easily achieved for the less driven, but rather insist all at least strive to be better than they thought possible.

The weak and wicked in the books are not there to included to be included as acceptable ingredients; they are there to demonstrate that life will have it's trials and obsticles. These folks have the purpose to enlighten us that rather then to accept weakness or corruption of character; we as men must not settle or make excuses but rather endeavor to persevere; this is to the benefit and success of mankind, and is in the interest of both men and women.

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 9:47:46 AM

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Tal Bull,

I'm going to restrict myself to just a few aspects of where this conversation has ranged. [And these points obviously aren't addressed to you per se, but rather to reflect publicly on the topic raised.] Good thread!

*Many people confuse mastery. Wanting to order girls about isn't it. Want a girl isn't it---what man doesn't? Finding a girl who wants that isn't it either---what girl doesn't want to find herself with a man she admires? But mastering a girl--or a woman, frankly, on earth--is entirely different, and involves talent, intelligence, something to offer, and yes, seduction. [There's a female side to this, of course, but I'm keeping to the male side for this thread.] Anyone who thinks he's special just because he has a prick and an attitude is an idiot. Half the population can match that. Even in the Gor books, where slavery is an institution, seduction and mastery are the point, not simply brute force and legal shelter.

*We don't have sleen. We don't throw unsatisfactory women into the canal for the urts. But look at the long term slaves here--to leave their Masters would be unthinkable for these girls. Why? They are truly mastered; they are with men with whom they want to live, and to whom they have and will remain committed. Hell, marriages can't claim the same. These women are mastered---and by deserving men.

*We've discussed slave sharing several times on this board. Two points usually overlooked are that (1) offering a slave is a courtesy and that (2) the slave in question is a relevant point. For example---suppose I visited Bull, and he had several extra girls. Not to offer one would be rude. However, suppose (I know, she's a FC---just illustrating a point) he offered me Natalie. As a Gorean man, I would immediately understand (1) he would be honoring me greatly with such an offer, and (2) I would OF COURSE thank him, but politely refuse (out of courtesy). Even in the Gor books, people understand that certain men and women belong together, and respect that reality.

*People seem to be hung up on the "force" issue. I own my dog, literally, but if you freed her, she'd just run back home. A woman is more complex than a dog, certainly, but on earth, any woman consenting to slavery does so FOR A CERTAIN MAN, but because she loves whips. If she can be shared or willed, it is again because of her allegiance to the man who has mastered her. [Again, on earth, she need not fear the sleen.]

*Online relationships aren't relationships. They're fantasy. Period.

*Mastery has little to do with having women. Mastery is a discipline with self.

Well, I'm rambled enough. Argue well, all!

Best,

Tim

< Message edited by Musicmystery -- 8/21/2008 9:58:45 AM >

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RE: Just a nagging or is it a nudging question.. - 8/21/2008 9:54:04 AM

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Hello again Elisabella,

I'm selecting a quote of yours here to illustrate where you are loosing the point in this matter.

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I do think I am missing it. I can see how the post quoted in the OP could be seen as posturing of a sort, but I can't see how not wanting to share a girl means that the girl is the one controlling the relationship. I have a brother, a father, a few ex boyfriends and a bunch of guy friends. 9 out of 10 guys agree that if a girl is theirs, it means they don't want another guy's thing in her thang. The other 1 out of 10 are poly.

The kajira is not a girlfriend, she is not a potential wife; she is a slave. Plain and simple. Quit trying to make the kajira something more than that and your frustration in this matter will go away.

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