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Total or partial domination? - 3/1/2004 8:54:13 AM   
DomCT2002


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If a submissive has particular limits and sticks to them when in a realtionship, and refuses to expand them doe sthat make her a partial submissive or does it make her a submissive with limits who will still serve?
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RE: Total or partial domination? - 3/1/2004 11:53:51 AM   
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If a submissive has particular limits and sticks to them when in a realtionship, and refuses to expand them doe sthat make her a partial submissive or does it make her a submissive with limits who will still serve?


Yep I am speaking out across boundaries again - go figure. That question doesn’t really have an answer. There are no absolutes – in this lifestyle “Do this and you are this” doesn’t really apply. We are all redefining ourselves, remaking ourselves everyday. So how could a label or a definition possibly keep up?

I think we can all agree that if she submits she is submissive but that is about all we can agree on. The degree of her submission does not make her any less the submissive. The fact that she has hard limits and won’t cross the line simply shows she has integrity and knows herself. If you’re a Dom/Master/Domme/Mistress (DMDM) and you have a problem with the limits (which you did discuss before becoming involved – right?) set by your sub/slave in the beginning, the why would you choose to get involved knowing what those limits are?

Some seek to explore, expand certain limits, others do not wish to do so. Some limits are hard, some are soft, some are hard for one DMDM, may be soft limits with another.

As always your mileage may vary.

Terry
AKA ShadowHwk

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RE: Total or partial domination? - 3/1/2004 8:46:13 PM   
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If a submissive has particular limits and sticks to them when in a realtionship, and refuses to expand them doe sthat make her a partial submissive or does it make her a submissive with limits who will still serve?



Keep in mind this is coming strictly from my point of view. I know my point of view is'nt the popular one..But its how I live my relationship out.

I feel if a Dominant tries to push my limits the Dominant is weak. He have no future.
Its like...when we negotiate. Surely in time we will grow together. But why does the Dominant want to change me by stretching or breaking my limits? Is he trying to break me? So...in essence did he ever truly want the real me to begin with? If not..did we have a relationship..a healthy one from the start?
I see my limits change over time. But, that is from growing as a person and being open minded. Yet he does'nt push me to do things that are limits. In turn I give him my heart in full.
On the same frame of mind though. I don't have limits..there are no soft or hard limits. They are limits period. To me a limit is something that in some way will hurt me mentally or physically. I don't feel a submissive should dictate to their Dominant what they want to do and what they do not want to do. Take urine for instance. There is a reason why they call it waste. OK, so why do I want to put waste into my body? It certainly is'nt going to improve my health.
The only thing I ask for from my Dom is if it is'nt something I happen to enjoy he takes it easy on me...properly warms me up. As long as I've behaved it is'nt a problem.
For the most part the things I don't happen to enjoy he knows about. It is'nt fun to play when I'm not having fun...at least as far as he is concerned.
So it all works out in the end.

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RE: Total or partial domination? - 3/29/2004 7:30:10 AM   
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Like Gloria, I can only speak from my own point of view. Unlike Gloria, I don't think a Dominant is weak if He pushes your limits. But that also depends on the instance.

In my experience, I have been grateful to have my limits pushed. In learning one another, he discovered my limits quickly, and every once in awhile, one just pops up out of the blue. It is my personal opinion that most limits should be pushed and extended. I say most limits because there are exceptions. Some we cannot control. One example, I am very weak in the stomach. I cannot even to tend my kids bloody noses. God help me if it happens and someone else isn't with me. So therefore, knife or razor play is not part of our lifestyle. Yet. We tried once, and I almost passed out. But as a submissive to the core, to please him, I would have happily passed out. But that wouldn't have pleased him. My well being is important to him and what good is a submissive passed out on the floor because of her own physical limitations? Physical limitations should not be pushed, that is a weak dominant. But they should be nudged. Because, physical limitations are a weakness and they can be overcome. He has SLOWLY worked on this with me, but as soon as he senses my lightheadedness, he stops. It is with great jubilation I say that it takes longer for him to have to stop each time. He isn't being disrespectful of my limitations, he is in fact making me stronger, slowly and steadily. So that way, should there come a time in my life when I have to deal with that bloody nose or broken arm, or vomit, I am better equipped and handle it. He pushes me to make me a more able person in all aspects of life.

Now personal limitations that catagorized as emotional or mental should be pushed and conquered. If it is emotional or mental it needs to be pushed and given to HIM. It doesn't have to be a problem for you. Give it up! Give it to him. Let him deal with it. IT IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM! Yes it is hard. Yes you may hate that he is pushing you. Yes you may question your own submissiveness. But in the end, you are opening yourself more to him and giving more of yourself to him. That is all we really want, right? I am claustrophobic. This is a mental limitation. A very scary problem. Can you imagine a claustrophobic submissive? But he pushed that in me. He talked to me gently with words of encouragement, taught me how to breathe, helped me to realize that nothing was going to happen to me just because my arms and legs were tied. This comes with trust too. You must trust in your Master to carry you through these difficult times. It was a long process, but now I can face these hard situations. He can hog tie me in a tiny little attic space and leave me to face it and I will be just fine. I don't like it, but I gave that weakness to him and he helped me overcome it. And for that, and other instances like that, I am forever grateful.

IF your master loves you, and is concerned for your well-being, and wants you to be a stronger person, he will push you and your limits. But there must be a reason for everything! One hard limit I have, which he will never push is alcohol enimas. We did it twice and both times I vomited violently. This is major medical! You can either hold your liquor or you can't. He recognized this as something that could not be overcome, and that it was something that had no real reason. The fact that I was willing was all he needed from me. So we won't go there ever again.

That's the key. Be willing. Be obediant. But you must trust that he knows when enough is enough. If you aren't that trusting, than of course, you just haven't gotten that far in the journey. But being submissive means giving all you can and not holding back. Limitations and all. Being dominant means taking responsiblity in all aspects of the person who has indeed trusted their life to you. If he isn't responsible, don't push those limits. But if he is, he deserves all of you....ALL OF YOU.

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RE: Total or partial domination? - 3/29/2004 5:07:17 PM   
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Wouldn't expanding your limits mean you would have more limits? The question is not clear to me.

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