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Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 12:00:04 PM   
xBullx


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Greetings Goreans,

I'm not all that sure we need another thread at this point but I'm a man bent on construction so here goes.

Why are we here? Not on Earth mind you and no this isn’t some deep rooted hypothetical question buried within the genetic codes of humanity. I would like us all to examine why we take our time to gather here on a Gorean “lifestyle” board, a board that's supposed to mean we actually apply this philosophy to our lives. Ohhh sure there are the replies about discovery and understanding, discussion and contemplation. But come on, we can beat this horse to death. So below I have jotted down a bit about where I've been, why I’m here and where I intend to be going, I hope it inspires progress in a forward direction and some dialogue of the same.

TYM (Sorry to single you out Alan, but you're tough and would it be so bad to dispense with the superficial ideology contained within some metaphorical name) and a few others in the not so distant past have attempted to organize gatherings. While they might pull it off, I think they might end up disappointed. I think we have to start these things within reason. Find groups that already get together or start your own personal get together. I went to a gathering in Chicago as one of my first, it wasn’t big, but there I was seated in the company of Goreans….Wow, I shared mead and then wine with a well respected couple of Goreans. One of these people sees life as a Tuchuk might and I have symbolically shared grass and earth with this person, a pledge of friendship I still value to this day. If these Goreans hadn’t moved clear the hell out to Vegas I’d still make their yearly companionship renewal.

The first gathering we had at the Lighthouse was a small ensemble of Gorean friends, again nothing big, but man has it grown and what great friendships it has spawned; it has also envoked personal accountability on some. Those of right fiber remain. We now have a gathering each year on Memorial Day at mine and Natalie’s home, Schloss Krieger and on Labor Day Bob and Liz double the population of their Ohio town with the Annual Lighthouse gathering. This is how I suggest we all build our communities, one gathering at a time. Will we have strife? Damn right we will, at least once a year Kimveri and I butt our stubborn heads together and dig in. You’ve all seen her though; she’s a credit to our community, she and her companion, Unbuilder are mitakola. I hope I spelled that correctly.

So we don’t need to bite off chunks to big to chew, we need to begin with what we can build on at first and that is ourselves and how we live each and every moment of each and every day. Now on to why I’m here. On Collarme that is.

Over the past several months I have been not as prominent on the boards; oh I’ve had my usual flurries of torrent and chuckle, but I haven’t spent as much time interacting with the CM community discussion boards as I like too. In part it has been due to the time I have spent working with my “new” girl ishy. But a big part of my time has been dedicated to self-improvement via audio and written books, as well as an attempt to foster a better understanding of the Gorean philosophies onto my sons and with my free companion.

It seems a person should always prioritize their moments in time. Surely getting things right with ones immediate family and assisting in their social, spiritual, mental as well as fiscal advancement must take a priority. I have spent some time mentoring my sons and a few of their warrior friends. It seems they might all be on their way to Afghanistan next year. By the way my youngest son has recently joined this site, but don’t you young sluts get to excited, he seems deeply enthralled with a young free woman at the moment.

Quite a bit of my time over the past while has been devoted to getting it right for myself, correcting short comings, evaluating social affiliations and what have you. I mean who are we as instructors or ambassadors of the Gorean existence if our complete existence is simply made up of delusional fancy, insubstantial cyber bytes or pretentious blasts of hot air?

Surely each of us that would intend to portray the embodiment of what it is to be Gorean should live as transparent of an existence as possible when it comes to our personal credibility within the Gorean community. I have to date and most likely will in the future have to situate myself against slanderous and malicious attacks. I don’t pretend to take the weight of all Gorean credibility upon my shoulders but I do rely upon myself to hold fast the integrity and standing of myself and my home.

My implication isn’t that we should all be the same or made to accept some dictatorial version of what it is to be Gorean; hell most of us that have been around for more than a fortnight can muster an opinion to that conclusion.

So what’s this all about you might be asking. Well, I came here to CM searching for more than hot sluts and cute butts. While it was nice to discover a few of those I came here hoping to expand my circle of friends and compatriots.  I was also looking to broaden my horizons, as well as my incite. It's obvious enough a fellow wouldn't find Gor here, but to my pleasant and hopeful surprise I did find Goreans and their conversation. So I’ve been met with success on all counts. I now feel a sense of obligation to the community that has evolved here. I hope to assist in helping maintain the focus on the discussion of living as a Gorean. We have plenty of folks that would imply they are credible yet when you peek into their reality they live a façade in comparison to their proclamations. While there are others living quietly with the trees sharing intermitent jewels of fellowship.

From this day forth I challenge myself, any and all of you that embrace our chosen philosophies to live up to the mantle of your claims. Don't bend it to fit you, rather mold yourself around it and make it something greater than you found it. Use the ideals to first stabilize your personal life and then to shape the entire world in which you live. Build small Gorean networks and networks that not only hold us personally accountable, but also hold our civil organizations and governmental officials. If we truly want the philosophies we claim to hold so dear to mean more than literary fantasy, cyber drama and another pointless debate we have to nowhere we have to look to move beyond discussion and start working to spawn the vestige of our own brand of truth; the truth that would be located in the hearts and minds of Goreans.

Take my words for what they're worth to you, share your perspective and let's see what happens.

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Bull



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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 1:16:02 PM   
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quote:

But come on, we can beat this horse to death.


Tal Bull,

Haven't we already?

Live well,

Tim

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 1:37:41 PM   
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I guess so........

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"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 4:27:00 PM   
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Evening Bull,
                I don't usually get a lot of time to post, but I regularly keep up with the boards. When I do find a thread that interests Me, then I respond in kind. I concur with the the things you have said. I Myself, have taken to mentoring My Son. He has thus reached an age now where Honor and Responsibility are begining to take shape in His daily life. As He progresses in age and understanding then I will impart more knowledge. I look forward to attending Your own Gathering this coming year. Would have done so this year had My health not taken a turn. The Lighthouse Gathering is another I look most forward to attending. As you said, it has grown tremendously and I have had the chance to look Men who I have spoken to for some time in the eye and grasp an arm in friendship. "Quality Not Quantity" I would 10 to1 rather sit with a fine few that truely are than with 50 who claim to be! The conversation and comradery are worth their weight in gold. The abundance of knowledge and individual perspectives there offer a vast assortment of things to be considered. Do we all agree on everything?  No!  but as you pointed out, our bonds as Gorean still stand that test and will continue to flourish as time progresses.   "Grass and Earth" Bull.  My regards to Natalie, Your Sons, and swat ish's ass for Me


                                                                                                                                          Live Well

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 4:49:26 PM   
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I am here for the photo-ops.


When all the undercurrents of pettiness and all the board-board stuff goes away, there are people here who actually think.  Whether I find their conclusions right or wrong in my view, by god they have done  some examining, and have some good stories.

6

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"The new Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six.".
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Be seeing you...

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 5:45:36 PM   
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Howdy, Bull -
 
I've done time in this section of Cyberia for a shade over a year now.  Originally, I came to CM to simply talk those who walk outside the mainstream of what society considers normative, and to find people who both have a brain and know how to use it.  Conversation about more than the weather, the PTA, and such is something that I have always, and continue, to crave.
 
When I first spied the Gorean Board, well....I won't say what was the first thing that came to mind, given that my initial experiences with "Goreans", both online and off, were long ago, and decidedly less than enjoyable and interesting.  Eventually, however, in the ongoing quest for intelligent life forms that also knew how to carry on a conversation, I stopped in here....and I've been here ever since.
 
There is plenty that goes on here that I don't care for, but that is no different than my offline life, with any organization, community, or group of people.  Far more important, however, is the fact that I do find not only quality individulas, and good conversation, but that which challenges me in my ongoing quest to know myself, to master myself, and to learn in general.  And, interestingly enough, I found quite a few people who see life much like I do.
 
I'm able to spend time here most days, by virtue of working online, and at home.  It doesn't hurt that I'm a world class multi-tasker, either.  The overall amount of time and posting, however, is somewhat sporadic.  Chalk that up to such variables as the number of threads on the front page that I find interesting, the demands of parenthood & life in general, and that my boss is a complete Ubara of Bitchiness, who continually reminds me what my responsibilities are.  Heh, anyone who has ever been self employed knows exactly what I'm talking about.
 
The management and mentoring of offspring presents ongoing adventures...and it is time consuming, no matter how you go about it.  To the Little Man, I spend a lot of time saying to, "You're a good man, Mr. XXXXX."  Usually that nets me a befuddled look and the question, "Why did you say that?"  "Well, kido....what did you just say, or do, that is part of what it means to be a "good man"?  It makes for some interesting conversations.  Now and then they end with something like, "But I was just being me, and doing what I needed to do."  "Mmmhmmmm....Think about it.  You'll figure it out eventually".  He's learning some lessons that are more painful than others.  Like that if you even just pretend that you are going to hit an FW in a fit of anger, you best be ready, because said FW will drop you in the middle of the floor, and when you can finally breath again, will dole out terms of treaty worthy of Atilla the Mom, while pointing out the many reasons smart Men don't do crap like that.  He (10 and a voracious reader) recently picked up "Assassins of Gor" from my nightstand, and asked, "What's this one about?  Is it any good?"  I explained a bit, and he asked, "Can I borrow it when you're finished?".  I smiled, and said, "No.  But in four or five years I'll get you a copy of your own."    "A full set of them?"  "I just might."  I'm looking forward to discussing them with him, as he reads.
 
Essentially, I come to this spot, and interact with these people, because it enhances my life, and helps me grow as a person.  It is part of a whole, not the be all, end all.
 
When it ceases to be enhancing, when I cease to find myself growing as a result of this place and people, I'll move on.  But when I do, I'll be taking with me a better self, and some fine friends.
 
Regards-
Grace
 
P.S.  Men, do Women ever get to do that grass and earth thing?

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 6:03:30 PM   
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P.S.  Men, do Women ever get to do that grass and earth thing?

There are few here among us, who are men, who would not hesitate to set your shoulders to the plow in an instant. You can have your fill of that nature, if that is your wish, Mistress.

JarlKnuteAngurvadel

edited because it sounded gay.  LOL.

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"The new Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six.".
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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 8:03:29 PM   
xBullx


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Tal Kar,

A fine son he'll be, of this there's no doubt. Thanks for your comments and the brotherhood we share.

My best to you and yours. and I'll swat the wench if you swat yours.

Grass and Earth........

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Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 8:05:05 PM   
xBullx


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Ron,

You wiley ole Snow Fox....

Thar be beer south as the crow flies.



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Live well,

Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 8:08:16 PM   
xBullx


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Hi Grace,

quote:



P.S.  Men, do Women ever get to do that grass and earth thing?



Well sure so long as you know the secret handshake. It has alot of spitting and ball scratching envolved, you know that country boy cow tippin' kinda crap.

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Live well,

Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/26/2008 8:15:10 PM   
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Tal Alan,

You know, when I wrote that this morning I had a sorta teasin' shit eatin smirk on my face, I thought it'd come out kinda funny in a sarcastic kinda way.

I read it tonight and it smacks of an arrogent, smart ass type of attitude that you didn't deserve. My appologies good neighbor. What you are called as an adult male is your own business and none of my own.

Have a good weekend That'sYouMarvin.

< Message edited by xBullx -- 9/26/2008 8:17:53 PM >


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Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 3:43:40 AM   
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I am nw to th site. Is this message for me in person? Who sent it? I still have to learn how the site goes.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 4:37:01 AM   
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Well, I'm here because it pleases me, and will stick around as long as I find it doing so.


IWYW,

  Camerius




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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 5:42:40 AM   
xBullx


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quote:

ORIGINAL: schizofreen

I am nw to th site. Is this message for me in person? Who sent it? I still have to learn how the site goes.



It’s an emblematic question to the audience in general. It wasn’t even meant as a question one has to answer out loud.

It was made with hope that we all would take a moment examine what we bring to the table of Gorean camaraderie. Nothing to special, I related what I think has worked to establish a strong sense of Gorean ideals in my life and with those that I call friend.

In a place that spends a great deal of time debating the minutest of details in semantics it seemed a good idea to perhaps discuss construction of fellowship for a deviation in course.

So if you felt the question was directed at you, it might have been. I would surmise though since you had to ask you didn’t really feel it was.

Welcome to the site and good luck keeping it all straight.


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Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 5:46:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Camerius

Well, I'm here because it pleases me, and will stick around as long as I find it doing so.



Thanks for your response.

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Bull



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"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 6:20:50 AM   
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Greetings Master

I am here because I like to be among those I've been acquainted with for years. I like learning about people and their idea's regarding the gorean philosophy. I like consistancy and stability. I like a controlled environment and while it's not always controlled it is still better than other places that aren't at all. I like listening to Goreans discuss and debate, stand firm on their beliefs as I stand firm on mine. This is not to say that I discard anothers views, just the opposite, I like to find similaraties to the way I've always lived my own life. I like the strength and ambitions of Goreans. I hope that they see my own. I like helping new girls when I can and I welcome help from others. I love enlightening conversation. Stimulating discussion. I find that Goreans are closest to me than other types can be.

I'm here because it is natural for me.

I thank you for the question, Master.

Respectfully,
~twinkle

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 6:39:05 AM   
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Hello twinkle,

Keep up the good work...


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Live well,

Bull



I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 6:46:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Hello twinkle,

Keep up the good work...



~smiles warmly

Yes Master!

Thank you.

Sincerely,
~twinkle

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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 7:00:15 AM   
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Perhaps it is not my place to reply to this, as I am a woman. However, I feel that in some way I am compelled to do so, both as a kind of archive to myself, and then for those that may question my being here. After all, I have said that I dont 100% define as Gorean, and am not 100% sure of my place with in it. For those statements alone, I am almost sure there will be some reprocussion, but that is  to be expected.

I found this thread to be most intresting, simply because it does ask a very thought provoking question. Why am I here? Intially, I came to these boards to have questions I have always had answered. I had a very dim view of the Gorean way and wanted to see if that view was justified.  Just like with anything else in life, to know you have to learn, and to learn you have to seek. So, I sought. And I found that my impressions of Gor and its ways had been jaded by half truths, rumors, role players and just plain ignorance on my part, and on the part of people who I spent time with.

As I read, and participated in discussion, (even if what I said was viewed as being arrogant or all knowing, which it wasnt meant to be, simply that I know my own mind and so on) I found that there was much to learn, and room to grow and to explore the possibility that my life, and the life around me was paralleled by the Gorean ethos. This was some what shocking to me, but instead of running from it, I became hungry to learn more, to experience more, to gather more. So, I began reading, studying, asking questions, and moving forward with my self education.  I found it a much better way to spend my time on line here, versus on other boards, or in other areas that left me no thinking room, and no room to grow as a person.

In my growth, I have found that I speak more clearly, (or at least make an attempt to) I expect more from my girl, and her actions, and in that expect her to take more responsibility for her actions and words. Thusly, I take more responsibility for my words and my actions. I find that I stand up more for myself, stating that I will learn and grow more, regardless of who I may irritate or out and out piss off in my journey to better myself. I realize I am more at ease with myself having a better and clear definition of who I am as a woman. No longer do I feel conflicted with in myself and my home. I understand to a stronger degree now, how I fit with in it and the order of the home. There was a time when subjucating myself to my husband would have made me laugh, and that attitude caused a great many problems with in my home, but now, understanding that it is simply the natural order of things, and that I do not need to fight it, I can still be myself and I can still live my life while doing his bidding, his way and not lose any part of who I am. Thats very empowering.

So, while I may not be as welcome as some, and while my words, my thoughts, my ideas may not be welcome by some, I find that I have a determination to continue this path that will not allow me to stray from it ; that is to say, I will not allow myself to stray from this path of self education, self discovery, and introspection. Nor will I allow myself to be baited again as I have in the recent past.  

So when it comes to the ultimate question to why I am here...I am here to learn. Not just to learn about Gor and its ways, but to learn about myself, to learn about interpersonal relationships and their relationship to a life style that I am growing to love and apprecite.  So, while I may not have been most welcome in replying to this, and while I may have some issues with my reply later, I am glad that I replied, and I have to say thank you to Bull for bringing a thought provoking subject to light.

Have a great weekend everyone, and well wishes to you all.

Lithium.



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RE: Why are you here? - 9/27/2008 7:56:21 AM   
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Tal Bull.

Usually I give answers with a dose of sarcasm, cleverly camoflaging some point I am trying to make, but this is a great thread.  Why are we here indeed.  I admit I read more than I post, and often gag at what I read, but there are a few good men around here, and several females that I have have known on line for years, so I do come here to keep in touch, but moreso for a bit of community.

To me, the Gorean way fits very nicely into the Biker way of life.  Personal freedom, the rejection of anyone having any more authority in my affairs than I do.  Brotherhood with those that stand strong and can hang.  A sharing of things more important than the possesion of things.  To me, this is the best things in life. 

Now, I do tend to get my fur up when some bonehead trys to tell me how to act or what is or is not appropriate, and this is why I also tend to take my leave when I want.  KSA's and those that act like they are the authority tend to just piss me off anyway.  Here or anywhere else.  Probably why I love the Torvies so much.

I have never been to a "Gathering", perhaps I should go to one, if there is room for a smelly old biker to roll out the bedroll, but then again, many of the Bike Rallies and Runs I have been on have been very Gorean in the actions and attitudes of the bikers there.  NOT the harley owners that get there vicarious thrills by taking off the suit and putting on a leather jacket on the weekend and riding their UltraGlide around the block a few times, but the kind of biker that works to support his Motorcycle addiction, that packs a toolbag to fix his scoot when it breaks down along the road, and who's friends would call 911 if they saw his bike on a trailer. 

Perhaps Gor appeals to me because of the Unit Motto of the Rangers with whom I served for so many years "Sua Sponte" which translates from latin to "Of their own Accord".  This is why I still come here, for the conversations with like minded people. 

Anyway, I have rambled enough for now.

Olaf

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