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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 5:56:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sylverdawn

yraine.. I respect Powell very much, I think he is a great american. I watched the meet the press interview. He laid out the why's and the wherefor clearly and with calm assertion. Gibbs asked him the hard questions and he was prepared to admit his mistakes as well as focus on the saliant points of his support of Obama. I am not sure his support was so much a resounded yes for Obama as much as it was about why his deep respect for McCain was not enough for him to over come his distaste for the direction that the GOP has taken. I think that it will probably have an affect on some of the people who still remain undecided. I dont think however there are alot of them still hanging around but that is just my personal impression.

SD


It also helps clarify that indeed, Obama is prepared for foreign policy and to be Commander in Chief when someone of Powell's stature and experience publically supports him.

And I also agree that Powell is a class act---yes, there you have it folks, there ARE some Conservatives I respect!

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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 6:06:45 AM   
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Tim.. having watched the interview I will say this I do not believe that Colin Powell would have come out for Obama if he did not believe he was a truly capable candidate for the the Oval office. I believe he simply would have not supported either candidate and for me that said alot. . I wanted to clarify that I do not believe that his support was simply about a No to the GOP rather than a Yes to Obama. SD

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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 10:11:52 AM   
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Absolutely agreed.

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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 2:38:01 PM   
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Tal Tim,

You are absolutely correct. $10,344,478,432,475 as of today. Thanks for the catch. :)

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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 2:53:58 PM   
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Tal Tim,
 
I wish I could tell you that you were correct in saying Colin Powell was a conservative, unfortunately he is not and neither is John McCain. Colin Powell during his tenure with Bush II was called a financial conservative and social liberal. From everything I have seen and heard about the man, I agree he is a class act.
 
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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 2:57:27 PM   
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This is according the the National Council of Who's Conservative?

Better explain it to the two of them. Not to mention their politics.

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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 3:10:03 PM   
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Tal Tim,
 
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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/20/2008 10:22:56 PM   
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greetings Masters
greetings Mistresses
hello girls

im late into this thread, but, i can admit to reading at least 90 percent of the posts before posting myself.  while im not that politically savy, i do enjoy a good debate and have learned much from many of your postings.

my field is health care.  i have friends and family who are Dr's, nurses, and pharmacists.  we often talk about healthcare reform at almost every chance.  the one thing that keeps returning to all of our dicsussions if the high cost of treating illnesses.

for example:  Mr Black has high blood pressure, treated with both medicine and diet.  his insurance pays for his medications that is needed to treat his condition, and with it, it stays within normal range.  suddenly, Mr Black loses his job.  he can no longer afford his medication.  his income was too great to allow him aide in most states.  the stress of being out of work, on top of the medical condition, causes him to have a stroke.  all this is a supposition, placed merely for a background of a possibility.

compared to the cost of a stroke being treated in an ER, then on to ICU, then on to a medical floor before finally being allowed to go home, along with all the man hours of Dr's and nurses, the medications required, the diagnostic tests to be run, ect (yes, that bill is mounting quite high and quickly), the cost of giving the man his blood pressure medication until he returns to work would seem, at least to me, to be the better route to take.

added on top of this problem is the problem of illegal aliens in this country, specifically, for the sake of this posting, pregnant women crossing over from mexico and having their babies in US emergency rooms.  almost immediately, a pregnancy with no health care gets elevated to a high risk category- more tests, more meds, more specialized care, sometimes even interpretors.  and, unless the rules have changed, and i could be wrong on this, at one time, since the baby was now an "american" the mother could stay and petition to have any other children brought over to the states.  now, they are all on welfare.  which, by the way, doesnt even begin to pay the bills at most hospitals.

it isnt just lawsuits and lawyers that drives up the cost of healthcare.  there are many facets to the problem.  many years ago, there was talk of a bill sponsered in congress to limit the availability of healthcare depending on the illness and the age of the patient.  at the time, my major was business, so the medical ramifications escaped me.  as it was presented in my philosophy class.  say a woman of 80 needed a heart transplant.  her life expectancy was, maybe, 10 years.  under that bill, she would not be able to have the operation.  then, the idea came up "ok, what if in a few years, the system again needed an overhaul, would those of 70 suddenly no longer be able to have the poeration?"  the answer was.. "possibly".  as the age declined, you could see the dawning realization on people's faces.  thankfully, the bill never passed.

now, not everyone who has high blood pressure is diet compliant, nor are they out of work.  not every illegal alien seeks medical care, even if they deperately need too for fear of the reprisals.  i have watched Dr's become so frustrated with insurance companies over tests and procedures they could not get approved for one patient, but could for another.  our country has become one of the "has and the has nots"

i recently had surgery after an ER visit.  yes, i have insurance, not one policy, but two since i work two jobs.  my ER bill was more than my surgery bill, which shocked me.  thankfully i wont have to pay much as a result of having both insurances.  i also recently read an article that was talking about how hospitals have begun to sell out the bad bills to credit companies, forcing people to take out "loans" to pay off the hospital, then are left owing the credit companies the bill, plus interest.

when we have these debates, we rarely can come up with a concensus as to what must be done.  i know myself, personally, would like to see a return to the free clinics.  its not a popular decision, but, Dr's and nurses who take government loans could possibly defer some payments, or, even have some payments forgiven for time devoted to these clinics, even though i know both professions are already overworked.

i dont have the answers.  but, surely, there has to be some that are not all caught up in a pretty red bow of tape

tazzy

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RE: An election question for Goreans and other board re... - 10/21/2008 1:53:27 AM   
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Greetings Masters,
Greetings Mistresses,
Greetings slaves,

It Australia the public hospitals are so badly underfunded that the various companies start to refuse to deliver much needed supplies, Not talking about state of the art equipment, no simple things that we in the developed world take for granted bandages, hygiene fluid for cleaning hands and equipment, The sort of thing one expects not to find in the hospitals of developing nations. And as far as the articles and reports from America say, it is in some places no better. Maybe it is time we got all the politicans and such people and stuck them on an island and did some nuclear tests with them...Sorry, words said in frustration and anger are never words wisely spoken....It is time that people in countries such as Australia and America stand up together and said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, we are tired of funding your pay raises, your benefit packages, your wars, your greed...it is time to do what we elected you for. People are having to decide if they eat one day so that they can drive to work because they can barely make ends meet, and the politicans are they trying to do anything for them...NO, they are arguing about how big the next package increase for themselves should be.
We are the voices that put you in power and we are the voices that can take you out again...It is time that people started to remember that.

Sorry for the rambling.

Wishing all well,
talandra

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