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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/8/2004 8:30:31 PM

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londonswitch: Quote: you did the comments bit, but what do you suggest? And may Wallace-Grommit-who-serves might not just be a bit bored and having, as you suggested, a laugh?

you do bring up a good point, once again. my hope is that iwillserveu re-evaluate as to whether or not he is indeed a sub; (perhaps he's actually a switch?)or get professional help; and/or at the very least, a mental health evaluation.

While it is true iwillserveu may only be interested in a verbal jousting match; it's difficult to tell through only his writings, and not face-to-face contact with him.

what say you, Wallace-Gromit/iwillserveu?

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/15/2004 11:50:11 PM

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I've never read a Female Dominate tell me she'll "protect" me. I've never heard of a male sub/slave say he enjoys his Mistress's protection.

Good Evening, Dear!

Although I seldom post in forums as I am usually knee-deep in My own editing/writing projects for My femdom and leather magazine projects, I couldn't resist responding to this comment of yours above. What follows below in one of My poetics embodies My feelings for My submissive play partners and/or slaves, no matter what their gender:

DIVINE GUARDIANSHIP

Know that when I absorb someone into My Light...it is not simply for My Own Pleasure. It is Divine Guardianship of their Mind, Body and Soul. By accepting you, I protect you. It also permits Me to penetrate and balance you. This is a Sacred Responsibility for Me.

(Diamond 2001)

My submissives are truly precious to Me. Our interchanges are a magical erotic duet!

Warm Wishes!

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/16/2004 2:02:56 AM

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I appear to have struck a raw nerve. I'm being a gentleman and leaving. If you really think my telling you your answer was all that was needed for you was wrong, well, ...

London legs switch,

Are avatars fair game for criticizing legs?

All,

That Dom would make a good politician. He brings up whoring out slaves. I ask subs women if that is what they want protection from. He replies that I obviously do not understand BDSM.

Like I said, I struck a nerve. Never ask the Male/female side "Protect you from what?"

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/16/2004 2:06:40 AM

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Mistress Diamond,

You are the first. I'm 38 years old, and trust me I've read Dominant female profiles a lot in the past ten years or so.

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/16/2004 3:29:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

That Dom would make a good politician. He brings up whoring out slaves. I ask subs women if that is what they want protection from. He replies that I obviously do not understand BDSM.

Like I said, I struck a nerve. Never ask the Male/female side "Protect you from what?"

After nine days you still have your panties in a wad? (poor baby!)

Get over it and quit trying to put words in other's mouth's... go back and read again (seems like I have to keep telling you this?), because your cognitive powers are severely lacking!

The ONLY nerve that was struck here was the one in YOU when I stated I did not consider 'protection' to be a gender specific issue... ever since, you 've been acting like a SAM. Even when a Mistress counters your preconceived notions, you still have problems!!! Oh yeah, a nerve was definitely struck in this thread... YOUR'S!

Like I said, GET OVER IT... it will only snowball. Your quips and qwerps are occasionally amusing, but they become boring quickly... your 233 posts are mostly 'out of context' or 'rattled nerve' posts. You remind other's of a Class Clown... always something to say, but never anything said... quibble, diatribe, and stirring up shit... quite a forte!

As proven by the comments of others, 'protection' IS NOT a gender specific issue.

This whole thing started over your insistence you think better than female subs, and knew both gender's concerns.

Now you've been set straight (once again!), and came out swinging (once again!)...

You are a phunny phool that is losing/has lost his sense of reality. You were told female sub/slaves are expected to make their owner's proud of their actions... obviously this fact, AND the subject of limits negotiation are totally foreign to you.

If that means you do understand BDSM, then you should not pay your therapist any more money... it's NOT working!!!

In the future, I recommend you get your facts straight and your ducks in a row before you attempt to badmouth Dom's again, especially this one!

This makes twice you've tried, and both times you've come out smelling like an ASS!

Some things never change!

You have proven your inability to control or handle your own self, and 233 posts with about 232 bullshit posts are making you look very very bad... WAKE UP FOOL!

Some fools never wake up!

Try being intelligent versus being the Class Clown... this act of your's has worn extremely thin... about 232 posts (out of 233) thin to be precise.

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/16/2004 8:20:52 AM

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Actually to answer your question, No.

MistressDiamond replied and I saw Londonswitch using an avatar as the basis of argument.

My panties are none of your concern. If you are so curious as to my panties perhaps I should mail you some.

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/16/2004 1:35:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: iwillserveu
My panties are none of your concern. If you are so curious as to my panties perhaps I should mail you some.

Actually, your chances would be better if you sent your panties to MrT, or some of the other message board trolls!

I do hope you get better soon, but I won't hold my breath. You've informed us you have been searching and reading Mistress/Domme profiles for 10+ years... lol, go figure!

You have evolved to the point that your diarrhea now preeeds you... whew!!! (bad 'rank boy'!!)

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/16/2004 3:36:56 PM

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I'm 38. I have been reading Dom female profiles since before I had a computer if you count the Phoenix personals.

BTW, I thought you were going to ignore me? (Perhaps I misread that and only hoped you'd go away. [

) I've counted three posts (two here) in reply to me. Just curious, do you ever do anything you said you'd do?

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/16/2004 10:52:46 PM

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If only Frued were alive today, i'm sure he'd enjoy reading two pages of chaos!

Londonswitch...you're in the mental health field, right? What say you?

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/17/2004 1:10:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

I don't know if this is a real thing or what trolls say. I've heard female slaves/subs want a Dom/Master "to protect them." Maybe I'm missing something, but protect them from what exactly.

Like I said, this might come from people who claim to be a Dom or bad fiction and may cause much laughter.

IMHO the original question was asking what "to protect them" means (with regard from Master/Dom to female sub/slave, and vice-versa)... and the 'aspect/perspective' was also hinted at simply being a 'smoke screen'... a Troll line, and not a valid issue.

The first reply was my own, in which I outlined many things which "to protect them" means from a Dom point of view, which entails a female sub/slave's points of view and any limits negotiated. I also stated that especially regarding the diversity of what "to protect them" means, that I did not feel it was gender specific (ie. only applicable only to female sub/slaves).

Much hoopla and shenannigans later, I find myself under much spastic ridicule by the obviously highly opinionated and disrepectful thread starter. Every comment I've made has been backed up by comments from others, including Mistresses who acknowledge, with regard to male sub/slaves, "they protect them".

For some reason, this seems to be an "extremely hard pill to swallow" for the thread starter, who insists vehemently it simply cannot be... as he himself has not personally experienced, witnessed, or ever seen "protect" written in any Mistress/Domme's Personal Ad he has read since reading newspapers, before the internet.

Below I will paste in a section of a Mistress/slave typical contract, specifically regarding the highly dreaded issue of "to protect slave":

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4.0.0 Permanent Bodily Harm

Since the body of the slave now belongs to the Mistress, it is the Mistress's responsibility to protect that body from permanent bodily harm. Should the slave ever come to permanent bodily harm during the course of punishment,or in any other slavery related activity, whether by intention or accident, it will be grounds for immediate termination of this contract, should the slave so desire. Permanent bodily harm shall be determined as:

* a) Death

* b) Any damage that involves loss of mobility or function, including broken bones.

* c) Any permanent marks on the skin, including scars, burns, or tattoos, (unless accepted by the slave).

* d) Any loss of hair, (unless accepted by the slave).

* e) Any piercing of the flesh which leaves a permanent hole, (unless accepted by the slave).

* f) Any diseases that could result in any of the above results, including sexually transmitted diseases.

This contract is located at www.palace.com and may be fully viewed.

Note "protection" is also found in various other sections of said contract, and especially section 3.0.1 Rules of Punishment, regarding "protection" from intentional abuse during punishment.

Why "protection" is all so 'foreign and inconsistent' to the thread starter, is totally beyond me, and continues same...

The displayed "it's my game and I always win" attitude has proven to be a major detriment to information exchange in this thread... and obviously any form of enlightenment regarding the original question and jist of this thread starter.

son, this only leaves us with what I've said all along... Wake Up!
There is a whole lifestyle happening OUTSIDE your head... 'think out of the box', and quit being a 'jack in the box'... it's really pitiful.

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/18/2004 1:56:20 AM

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Then you added this line. (I won't ask why you don't quote it.)

quote:

I don't take this topic as a gender specific concern, as it crosses
over gender lines.

My reply was

quote:

Otherwise I can't quibble with your answer.

Any female subs think differently?

and YOU went ballistic that I dared to challenge you knowledge of dominant women. (Was it my request to female subs for what they thought, or just my impertinence in dis agreeing with you?)

Should I ask on the "Ask a Mistress" board if dominant women think they are better understood by submissive men or dominant men?

To answer your earlier statement as to yours being general question that are not meant for me alone, excuse me. When you ask something about male subs I thought a male sub was allowed to answer. I did not understand your "general" questions were not meant for me.

If my Domme is not proud of my sticking up for myself in the face of a self centered jerk who takes offense because I think sub males have read more Domme profiles than Doms, then obviously my Domme and me are not a good match. (In other words, She is not the ONE and no loss for me.)

Now you said the best way to deal with me was to ignore me. Was that just an empty promise, bub?

I know you'll want the last word. You can have it. Frankly I don't have time for you.

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RE: Protect you from what? - 3/18/2004 10:32:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillserveu
Then you added this line. (I won't ask why you don't quote it.)

Duh?
Could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that I quoted your original thread starting post, and NOT my own?

Wakeup monkeyboy!

Earth to monkeyboy... hello? (the lights are on but monkeyboy is not home)

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and YOU went ballistic that I dared to challenge you knowledge of dominant women. (Was it my request to female subs for what they thought, or just my impertinence in dis agreeing with you?)

Should I ask on the "Ask a Mistress" board if dominant women think they are better understood by submissive men or dominant men?

To answer your earlier statement as to yours being general question that are not meant for me alone, excuse me. When you ask something about male subs I thought a male sub was allowed to answer. I did not understand your "general" questions were not meant for me.

If my Domme is not proud of my sticking up for myself in the face of a self centered jerk who takes offense because I think sub males have read more Domme profiles than Doms, then obviously my Domme and me are not a good match. (In other words, She is not the ONE and no loss for me.)

Now you said the best way to deal with me was to ignore me. Was that just an empty promise, bub?

I know you'll want the last word. You can have it. Frankly I don't have time for you.

Make your mind up please monkeyboy (once and for all?). It would seem you have plenty of time to be condescending and stir up shit (ie. 242 posts now, and climbing)... but very little time for rational thought, as pointed out by many others here also!

I was going to ask if you were over your diarreah, but the answer to that question is indeed obvious as you've squirted (deposited) your diatribe again as usual.

Is there is no hope for you SAM bubette monkeyboy?

If you notice as you post in other threads, board wide, others here are pointing out that your behavior and attitude are clearly not warranted, or appreciated. In short, you are borderline to wearing out your welcome monkeyboy.

You seem to hold a particular disdain for me since I was the first one who called a monkeyboy a monkeyboy.

You apparently are NO 'sub' (male, female or both), your repetitively demonstrated behavior is that of a SAM wannabe (and an intellectual wannabe)... perhaps you are trying too hard to belong... but the overkill is in fact killing you monkeyboy.

You keep pointing out in your perpetual diatribe how you have amassed years of 'experience reading Domme profiles', while a couple threads over you refer to Domme's as "Dom females" (monkeyboy make NO sense!).

That about it sums it up... "monkeyboy make NO sense!". The best thing you have going for you is consistency, but being consistently offtrack essentially constitutes an oxymoron, which you do emulate rather well.

Perhaps monkeyboy need Mistress/Domme "to protect" monkeyboy from itself?

No one here has promised monkeyboy anything, so you may stop wishing. However it appears you've promised to let me have the last word? (go figure, we shall see, eh?)

Should you have the ability to prove yourself worthy of the 'sub' title, I may then refer to you as a 'sub'... until then you will be referred to by your redundant actions and behavior of a 'monkeyboy'.

Have a very pleasant day if you have time monkeyboy.

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RE: Protect you from what? - 4/14/2004 7:30:35 PM

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this was a fun thread, anyone care to reignite the flames?

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RE: Protect you from what? - 4/14/2004 8:48:57 PM

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Sure! *smile*

My opinion:

Cyber protection is stupid. Period. There are ignore and block features on pretty much every interactive thing online. Use em. If that fails, use your thumb or finger and summon that Ultimate Of All Cyber Protectors And White Knights And Saviors Of Us All ... The Almighty, The All Powerful, The Glorious, The Final and Utter Last Word to All Possible Cyber Threats ... The Awesome and All Important ... the POWER button. If that fails, then call upon the even higher power, and the REAL Final Last Act: Pulling The Plug. *smile*

Real Life Protection: Debatable. Depending on the person and their social and self preservation skills, and the sheer amount and concentration of assholes, predators, and whackos in your local community, lol, possibly might be a good thing to have merely to stem the tide, make them think twice (maybe!), and be a convenient excuse for overly pushy domlets. However, even that won't faze the most obstinate and determined.

In my personal opinion - people NEED to learn to handle assholes, jerks, and learn how to filter them. Sometimes they can learn from others, or to think it through on their own, some folks, well, some folks simply can not learn until they've hit the bad ones a few dozen times. I don't believe in enabling victims or codependacy - so the protector thing simply doesn't fly for me.

at some point they will find themselves in a position where there is no way to ask fr someone's opinion, or the protector isn;t going to be there, and if they are used to using others to handle such things, they are in effect practically at the other perosn's mercy.

Seems silly to allow or encourage that tendency or possible situation to occur, so yanno, I tend to think it's more for and about the protector to feel important and get ego strokes and be a White Knight than it is to actually *help*someone.

I guess I don't seeing feeding into someone's codependancy and inability to handle normal people/society situations as "helping" but rather continuing and encouraging and feeding the original issue.

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