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additional slaves - 12/20/2005 5:29:53 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		I am curious, i find a trend within many Goreans who practice in reality their interpretations of Gor, that when He or "they" decide to add to their home, the way it comes across many times is that they are looking for an additional slave not particularly for Him, but for her, as in a companion, a sister, to help her serve, to serve her and Him, etc etc. I rarely see it as i am looking for another slave to serve me. Usually it is the woman approaching a slave to discuss this with the potential additional slave.

I guess my question will probably be deemed as non-slave thinking.. but honestly, how many women who ache to be slave, be owned etc. would feel they will have this achieved when the implications of why you are being approached isn't really for the Master but for the slave. The implications to me is as its stated for her. I get slammed all the time because i honestly do not want to be a companion to an already established girl, i don't wish to be a sister to a slave, i wish to be a slave to a Master. Oh and just for the record, i am here to be a slave to my Master, but honestly... if the approach was different that doesn't mean i would NOT want to be a sister to the already established slave or her best friend or love etc.... Why should i settle to be a companion under the guise of slavery, when i can in all reality be a slave as i ache to be in reality.

This may be sounding frustrating but i don't get it and it turns me off time and again when women approach me instead of the Masters. The Masters approached the first slave didn't they? So what makes the additional slave less in value of his initial time and such? I guess part of this comes from the Action/reaction idea of mastering... does this approach of adding to your home on some level for the benefit of the already establish slave somehow redefine what is suppose to create the Master slave relationship to begin with?

Yes yes, i realize this is earth and slaves must love each other before the Man will agree to take a second slave into his household that is not the point i am making. i am not owned, i have pride as not only a woman but as a slave, why would i see it as an honor to be approached in such a manor, i would i consider such an arrangement when right of the batt the idea is --- you are not interviewing to be slave to Him, you are interviewing to become a companion, a sister... oh and btw you will be his slave also.

Honestly, i don't trust women lol.. and i always get approached by the women to become an additional slave... which automatically turns me off because it already sets the idea that the first slave was valuable enough to have the one on one mastering but as a additional slave i am not worthy of that... i have value, i have just as much value as the initial girl... and he had to start at 0 with her.. so why is the additional slave less of a woman to deserve that? If a Man wants a slave as his, to master her, to make her his should becoming an additional slave within his chain and its simply the idea of you just happened to meet her first and the additional slave could have easily been first -- should not the process of ownership be the same, instead of the delivery i am looking for a companion for my slave or a helper slave or a sister oh and btw you will be owned by me?

i know this sounds like a vent lol and on some levels it is.. but its also questions of why to the Men they choose this delivery, and to women who are willing to be the lowly one not worthy of the same mastering from the beginning and choice of His instead you have to go through the already established woman choosen by the woman.

I hope this makes sense lol.. i realize there is a lot here.. and its sort of a ramble.. i am curious, frustrated and lol well not understanding this type of mentality of delivery of companion, sister etc being what the additional slave is labeled as initially.


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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 5:54:37 AM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		my interpretation as i am a sister to one that is collared to a Master but ours is a unique situation and not the norm.....
i have an owner(as of very recently) however Master Thomas is still a part of my life as is bella.he is my mentor,friend as is his slave.
it has been explained that in poly...the M/s usually pick together,,,for the addition to the household. the en girl is in charge during Masters absence, she can punish and command.unless you get a Master that treats his slaves the same(which is rare),this is usually the case.
now my poly relationship w/ the above is not those terms...nor was it done that way...again there can be exceptions as to the hows and whys...what works for some doesnt for others...we just fell into place and will remain as parts of each others lives.
i need my own Master(like you have stated) but the time may come when we shall pick together,right now i get his full attn b/c he wants me perfect and is willing to devote the time to me b/c he finds me pleasing.and yes he DID the approaching but he has no other slaves.
anyway i hope this can answer some of your question.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 6:04:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's actually a much better method to send the one who is NOT actively interested in becoming poly and/or multi-slave as the one to actively pursue and court. This forces them to deal with it directly, forces them to understand the process and makes them an integral part of the situation, all of which are necessary in order for a relationship to work long term. Otherwise, the undesiring partner can often feel begrudged and foisted upon, which does no good to anyone, certainly not the poor new chick (not that this doesn't still happen but it helps).

And this is usually an online phenomena. In public, you will usually meet them AS a couple. Subs and slaves generally don't go trolling around clubs and parties for new meat- they just hang out with their d-type and meet new people, possibly being open to prospects.

Another side is that the d-type usually DOES want a slave to serve them, but makes it more romantic and appeals to a (stereotypical) feminine desire for kinship to other women to make them "sisters" or to form a unique bond of service between them.


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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 6:20:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hiya angel,

I hope that by explaining the why's, (as to how Master does it here), it will help with your question. Not all men use this same logic, this is simply how it was explained to me, by Master.

Master would love a second girl, we have talked to many, but like yourself, they have no interest when I am told to approach and discuss with them. (scouts honor, I do NOT try and scare them away!) I never understood why, until your post. I brought this up, asking Master why he didn't chase them, why he had me talk to the girl before she was his. His explanation was very simple...a) he doesn't chase, and b) it was "his" wish the girl and I become good friends prior to her moving lock, stock and barrel into the house. Serenity. Master loves a quiet home, with peace and serenity, this can be achieved quite easily if everyone involved gets along. So, that is why he has me talk to a girl he is remotely interested in...he phrased it...when I find one compatible, I will beg him to bring her home.

Having lived in a poly home for over six years, I can understand his reasoning. We had some joyous times...and some not so joyous moments. My master then didn't care if the girls got along, he just threw us together and figured we would sort it out. While we tried, there came girls who wanted to be the "only", or who tried to cast a bad light on the girls there before them, in an attempt to climb the ladder of his favor. It taught me an aweful lot of the female nature.

Instead of getting "turned off" when you are approached by a girl, perhaps....consider that the man is trying to do what is best to keep peaceful dynamics within his abode and see if you get along with the already established girl. Obviously, he is pleased with the first, wishing to maintain what he has, yet add another. He is attempting to keep the transaction as smooth as possible *smiles* It's not that you are unworthy, or less valuable (the fact he is considering you at all, should tell you he finds you of interest!), simply that he is wishing for the women in his life to live in a harmonious fashion. It increases his pleasure that much more. Which is...the ultimate goal.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 6:32:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		your Master makes good sense lisaSea....jealous sluts can cause much grief and uproar.(personal loss and pain known here by such action/which caused reactions of an unfavorable light in myself).....
in some ways in my poly relationship my sister begged Master to let me be part of their lives but it is b/c 'we felt as friends first.'we had 'established trust' in each other(which doesnt come easily to either of us where woman are concerned,she is me 20 yrs ago,lmao)no matter who my owner or trainer may be...Master and sister are part of my life(known upfront to any current,lol).now moving into the home,lol, well we arent that degree nor will ever be(lol, never say never).....
but yes peace is paramount........................!!!


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ORIGINAL: lisaSea

Hiya angel,

I hope that by explaining the why's, (as to how Master does it here), it will help with your question. Not all men use this same logic, this is simply how it was explained to me, by Master.

Master would love a second girl, we have talked to many, but like yourself, they have no interest when I am told to approach and discuss with them. (scouts honor, I do NOT try and scare them away!) I never understood why, until your post. I brought this up, asking Master why he didn't chase them, why he had me talk to the girl before she was his. His explanation was very simple...a) he doesn't chase, and b) it was "his" wish the girl and I become good friends prior to her moving lock, stock and barrel into the house. Serenity. Master loves a quiet home, with peace and serenity, this can be achieved quite easily if everyone involved gets along. So, that is why he has me talk to a girl he is remotely interested in...he phrased it...when I find one compatible, I will beg him to bring her home.

Having lived in a poly home for over six years, I can understand his reasoning. We had some joyous times...and some not so joyous moments. My master then didn't care if the girls got along, he just threw us together and figured we would sort it out. While we tried, there came girls who wanted to be the "only", or who tried to cast a bad light on the girls there before them, in an attempt to climb the ladder of his favor. It taught me an aweful lot of the female nature.

Instead of getting "turned off" when you are approached by a girl, perhaps....consider that the man is trying to do what is best to keep peaceful dynamics within his abode and see if you get along with the already established girl. Obviously, he is pleased with the first, wishing to maintain what he has, yet add another. He is attempting to keep the transaction as smooth as possible *smiles* It's not that you are unworthy, or less valuable (the fact he is considering you at all, should tell you he finds you of interest!), simply that he is wishing for the women in his life to live in a harmonious fashion. It increases his pleasure that much more. Which is...the ultimate goal.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 6:47:25 AM   
starshineowned


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Status: offline 		Greetings..~smiles~

Alot of what the others have stated is true for Us as well. While inside of me has always wanted to be part of a poly/harem style family..my initial take and understandings of it all were flawed, and misrepresented over the years to which the thought of ever being able to live that way brought the "jealousy" bug to life.

It took Master teaching me His thoughts, views, reasonings on having more than one slave about before it started making sense. To help further that understanding and getting use to the possibility of another slave around..Master had me actively search for another..not in the mindset of another female slave but just to make friends, find another that had common interests, desires, beliefs. I always give Masters used nick here or elsewhere when speaking to another slave I find interesting so that they themselves may contact Him of their own accord.

Like lisa's Master..Master wants peace within His home. It is no secret that females together often buttheads, and tempers flair, and these are things that Master does not wish to waste His time on as it detracts from Him being served. So having the girls be able to have a core respect, and friendship base first helps disfuse alot of those situations from turning ugly rather than happening and being able to work it out amongst themselves.

Master is alittle different in that the slaves He has will be equeal. No other slave that enters His home will serve this slave..only Master. Try finding a straight slave that has interest in poly/harem life..lol

If I had to say what was the ultimate goal..It would be to actually be within a community setting or commune if you will of very like minded persons. :)

Hope this helps alittle in some of the mindsets out there when you are approached by the slave of a Master.


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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 6:58:46 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Hi lisa... your explanation is exactly why i get turned off lol Because this:
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His explanation was very simple...a) he doesn't chase, and b) it was "his" wish the girl and I become good friends prior to her moving lock, stock and barrel into the house.


I guess this is the way i see it.. he for lack of better word chased and mastered in a way his initial slave. She started out exactly where any additional starts and she was worthy enough to have that... this type of thinking to me tells me that no other slave has that worth even though his initial slave didn't either and he has no clue what an additional slave could be to him. It also tells me that any additional slave is expendible and the initial slave is not if things go bad no matter what the issues. To me a woman either has to have self-esteem through the roof to go into a relationship knowing a Man doesn't see her as worthy as he did his initial slave even though in the beginning he couldn't see what his initial slave would be either or she would have very little esteem and feel she was not worthy of being treated as the initial slave was in the beginning.

I honestly doubt his initial slave -- and i have talked to a lot of established slaves - would have become His or accepted the way things come across .... so why would a man expect other slaves too? It tells me right off the batt that i am not worthy of his attention, his mastery etc and in order to get it i would have to fight for him to notice me... shrugs.. why should i? i know no more about him than he does about me and if i wanted to be a companion to a woman lol i have tons of friends.. i am here wanting a Master. if i am right off the batt not worthy of his attention, and need to get through his slave to become his slave.. why should i? Because his slave deems me worthy to get to him? And if there is such an issue that the other slave HAS to feel involved and feel all warm and fuzzy in the selection process (which clarifies my thinking of additional slave is not really for the Master its for the slave) or else there will be issues..(as i believe another poster stated -- why would a woman who aches to be slave to a Man wish to put herself through that and the drama that ensues because of it.

As a Master there is no reason he cannot obtain the additional slaves as he did the first one and then utilize that relationship to put them together. i understand new slaves get a bad rap but i have also heard the horror stories of women already established who also cause the break down of the ability to have additional slaves. (But the Men are oblivious to it lol and so its usually the new slave that gets the bad rap)

As an already established slave i can see why you would think as you do... but think back to when you were unowned.. and you had a woman approach you to interview you or you had a Man approach you with "I am looking for a sister for my slave or a companion for my slave oh, and you would be owned by me."

I am not really knocking the process because i DO realize the need for the slaves to want to be together, but i am telling you lol the delivery of the whole thing sucks.

If a Man cannot obtain a second slave as he did his first, why should any woman think he is seeing her with worth on the level that a slave needs to be owned.... instead he is casting his responsibility away and making sure that she realizes her value isn't worth his time but she should be content to be a slave to a slave and maybe he may decide --- if the initial slave feels she is worthy -- to put some effort though probably not the same effort he did his initial slave into this additional person.

lisa, i appreciate your time in answering and your Master's time in explaining, i can see how your answer was trying to help but it in fact solidified what i believe the thinking is and i can't understand why any woman who aches to be slave would wish to be obtained along those lines.

smiles.. yes i don't have a slave's mentality in this i guess..

I hope you have a great Christmas




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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 7:09:48 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Greetings Lucky

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This forces them to deal with it directly, forces them to understand the process and makes them an integral part of the situation, all of which are necessary in order for a relationship to work long term. Otherwise, the undesiring partner can often feel begrudged and foisted upon, which does no good to anyone, certainly not the poor new chick (not that this doesn't still happen but it helps).


I guess what i am saying is.... why should i care? Why does your slaves issues mean that as an additional slave, i would lose out on what she initially had with Master. I am not a slave to make other slaves feel all warm and fuzzy...though it is fun when i do lol... that is NOT my focus in this lifestyle. So why should i care if your partner has issues with what you decide to do.... when my issues are what concerns me as i don't know the Master anymore than i know a stranger on the street? I guess i am asking.. does the want to be slave mean you cast aside your issues to worry about another slave's issues in her Master obtaining another slave and accept that you are not worthy of the same attention this initial slave got when she wasn't known to the Master.

I am a little confused at your using partner and such.. when in all reality its Master and slaves not partners.. which puts in my idea a different twist on the relationship.

Thanks for trying lol i know i sound difficult here but it is a very frustrating idea to me..

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 7:18:20 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		sighs and smiles.. i don't think i am expressing what i mean very well... or maybe i am and in all reality, my thinking is correct lol, which is why all the owned slaves are saying the same thing. Perhaps if i was on the other end i would also say the same thing... but i am not owned and i don't get why any woman would wish to be an additional slave when they get approached as i do -- from the slave, not the Master; or from a Man with the idea of companion to a slave, sister to my slave etc...

I have a very bad take on multi slave homes because of this idea this its for the slave idea, i run faster than i did when i was in track in highschool -- my coatch would be so proud lol, why would an additional slave settle for less than what the initial slave rec'd when she was obtained? Since this is a choice.. why would a woman choose too?

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 7:29:13 AM   
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quote:

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I am a little confused at your using partner and such.. when in all reality its Master and slaves not partners.. which puts in my idea a different twist on the relationship.

Thanks for trying lol i know i sound difficult here but it is a very frustrating idea to me..


I'm answering this question from a polyamorous perspective- it's far easier to just use the generic "partner" instead of "primary partner" "non primary partner" "lover" "master" "owner" "slave" "property" and any other specific terms which are unique to us all.

Yes, there is a difference between "partner" and "master" but for the purposes of the discussion here, I felt it was good to just remain generic.

So please, insert "significant other term of choice" for "partner."

And no one is telling you that you SHOULD care about any of it. If you don't want to get involved in a relationship that has the slave as the fish catcher, then don't. You make very valid points, and there are certainly a few chickies around who just try and grab a new piece of ass because they were told to do so without really any conception of what they are doing.

But we're trying to convey the reasoning why some people DO do it. And again, I think what you are seeing is almost completely an online phenomenon. It doesn't tend to work that way offline.


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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 7:33:31 AM   
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why would an additional slave settle for less than what the initial slave rec'd when she was obtained? Since this is a choice.. why would a woman choose too?

Ahhh that says more about YOUR values than theirs. For people who want to be in multi-person relationships, it's not a matter of "settling" or "not being as special."

It's simply the nature of the relationship. My newest partner understood that my boyfriend and I have history together, that he was coming into a pre-established situation. He understood in some ways it would be more difficult for him. That doesn't mean he SETTLED for me, or settled for less.

However, he did have to accept who we were and how we do our relationships IF he wanted to be with us. That's not settling- that's saying "This is also what I want and what is best for me."

For you, this situation isn't what is best for you. No one is telling you that you need to settle for it. Just that you need to find what is best for you.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 7:51:36 AM   
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quote:

I guess this is the way i see it.. he for lack of better word chased and mastered in a way his initial slave.


Ahhhh....herein lies the problem, lol

Master did not chase me, I chased him! It was my choice to beg his collar...he didn't offer it.

In that regard, I can see your thoughts and why you are frustrated. You are waiting for a man to seek you out, to make you feel all warm and fuzzy...on your terms. This may not happen with a gorean man, lol.

It might be, and I don't know this for certain...you are not cut out for a poly life? If you are frustrated at the lack of attention now, at the feeling you are worthless...how will you be if involved with a man and another slave...and she is the one he takes to his bed, leaving you out of the picture? It can happen.

I hope my words didn't come across as harsh, I was trying to paint a picture, sometimes written feelings and emotions don't come across as they were meant.

Wishing you happiness and peace in your chosen path

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 7:52:24 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		No that is not what i am saying... and yes an additional SLAVE would have to settle for not being obtained by the Master but by the slave. I don't believe i utilized the words not being special. But i believe a slave must be mastered and in this idea to me the initial slave is mastered and the additional slave is just eh well come on in, i like ya lol.

Please don't put words in my mouth as that could change the course of the thread to a topic i am not asking. You keep using partner.. i am not speaking of poly here... i am not saying the additional slave is not capable of sharing or being poly.. i think you are mistaking my questions and want to make it all about poly and motivations behind poly when i am simply inquiring about the process of obtaining a new slave NOT the relationship of poly. I do not get turned off because there is an established slave.. i get turned off at the delivery or approach to obtain me.

Again, i reiterate, i am not discussing the merits of a poly relationship who can and can't be poly etc. Which i think you are more focusing on...and it seems you are focusing outside a Master.slave idea which is what i am speaking of... But i appreciate your help.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 7:56:50 AM   
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Again, i reiterate, i am not discussing the merits of a poly relationship who can and can't be poly etc. Which i think you are more focusing on...and it seems you are focusing outside a Master.slave idea which is what i am speaking of... But i appreciate your help.

angel

You asked why masters choose to make their slaves be the fetch dogs for new slaves.

I gave you reasons: it makes the slave feel more useful and accepting, it makes the slave more active in the process, it forces the slave to become a part of the relationship as it builds to new levels.

Only I used the word partner sometimes instead of slave. The reasons are the same.

You have reasons why you think the idea sucks. I think your reasons make sense for you. I don't think however that everyone will view it as "settling."

As with everything- you find what works for you. This is the process that works for them...mostly because of those reasons I listed above.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 8:08:54 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Oh just to clarifiy.... the reason i used chased was because initially it was your word not mine.. i was keeping it along the lines of your words since you wanted to define it as such.... unless you were using it to see if i would acknowledge it and then jump on the "you did not chase Him" idea and you aren't a slave if you expect a Gorean Man to chase you idea. There is a difference to me between chasing and Actions of master. Chasing implies i would run when in fact lol i usually gravitate toward mastery not away from it -- which i think why i have an issue with a slave trying to obtain me lol instead of the Man.

So basically lisa, you were never mastered by him? you fell at his feet slave.... Your seeking him out had nothing to do with his Action of Master to your reaction of slave? Its easy to read what you have into my words lisa if you don't care about being mastered -- if you see slavery as a slave's responsibility to master herself. As if you are ultimately submissive to anyone and you point to one and say ... okay i want him and you beg his collar. Perhaps you are better than i am but to me if a Man doesn't show interest in me, i personally would not feel comfortable bugging him trying to get him to notice me or trying to force his attention to me. If a Man is a Master, isn't he usually the one who claims the slave not the other way around?

Somehow lisa lol i don't think you were that inselective in your choice. Did your Master already have a slave who contacted YOU to be his or the rest -- that yo are able to put these perspectives how i am thinking as an unowned slave being approached by slaves or approached to be a companion or a sister instead of His slave? Nope doesn't sound like it. You are an owned slave who is one who interviews new slaves so to me your prespective is slightly bias lol which is excellent for you.

Sighs... nor is this about poly lol. Just for the record, i was owned by a Man who was very poly for 7 years... i understand poly and don't have an issue with it lol. Again i reiterate This is NOT about poly... this is not about a slave rejecting a relationship BECAUSE of the initial slave. Either i am not expressing it right or people aren't seeing what is being said because they want to just shove it into the idea of she isn't poly.

I was really afraid of this becoming a poly conversation and its probably my words which is causing it to be.. instead of the real issue of how the delivery is done and why a woman would be interested being approached in such a way and find it in combination of slavery especially gorean slavery where slaves are mastered.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 8:09:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		my future Master want to add more slaves to the household eventualy, and i will try to be their frinds, but as i am also his lover, in a way they would settle for less, and in a way not, we have history and a situation together they would be commin in new, there was never a stutuation of competition and they lost, and if they want the posision they are offerd, they must realy want it, it is not setteling it is finding a situation one likes.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 8:20:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves..

i think part of the reality of a Master owning a girl and sending another out to find another has to do with many things. the first that i see, is perhaps the Master has a lot going on and he has delegated this task to the slave to do for him. it doesn't mean he has less interest in the 2nd slave..it means he is using his first slave as he wishes. isn't that her job? to serve her Masters wishes? there is also a realism to talking to another slave of a Master to learn what it is that he's truly about. women, and slaves in particular, get caught up in the "emotions" of feeling their belly touched and fanned. i've seen all too many times when they haven't though about what it is they want or need and lept for the first Master that showed them attention, played with them, etc. In this scenario of a slave approaching another, it lends the 2nd slave to think a bit more clearly if this situation would be right for them. i don't see it as the 2nd slave not having any real merit or worth or only being there to serve the 1st slave. i have yet to see a Master acquire a 2nd slave that is in actuality a plaything or service slave to the first. i also think that Masters realize there is a different connection between slave sisters then there is between Master/slave. there is a completely different bond that is unique. if a Master does take a 2nd slave..i can pretty much guarantee there will be times when the slaves are together without him. by them having a connection themselves (friends, lovers, whatever) it will allow a much more serene setting. and as you said it..most women don't trust other women. so why not slip in the backdoor around the jealousy and backstabbing by cutting it out in the first place..by finding 2 slaves that get along. by having the 1st slave do the approaching i think she can paint a more realistic picture of what will be expected, allowed, done by the 2nd slave. i have never once thought of the 2nd slave as merely being a consolation prize.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 8:25:03 AM   
nephandi


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Status: offline 		There is many reasons for bringing in a second slave, perhaps the Master want the girls to ahve more speare time so they be more rested for...fun.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 8:31:34 AM   
Wildfleurs


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I guess this is the way i see it.. he for lack of better word chased and mastered in a way his initial slave. She started out exactly where any additional starts and she was worthy enough to have that... this type of thinking to me tells me that no other slave has that worth even though his initial slave didn't either and he has no clue what an additional slave could be to him. It also tells me that any additional slave is expendible and the initial slave is not if things go bad no matter what the issues. To me a woman either has to have self-esteem through the roof to go into a relationship knowing a Man doesn't see her as worthy as he did his initial slave even though in the beginning he couldn't see what his initial slave would be either or she would have very little esteem and feel she was not worthy of being treated as the initial slave was in the beginning.



The problem is you don't know how the initial slave started. Maybe they started how additional slaves started (afterall if he has multiple slaves, then she was probably not the initial slave when she first came in).

And I just have to say that my owner is the same as a lot of other people have mentioned, to bring another slave in (which he has no interest in doing, but we have talked about) he would want for us to get along, so that he didn't have to deal with the headache and bad vibes of slaves clashing constantly.

From my perspective, I've invested several years with my owner... adjusting and aligning to his will. So someone that comes in from the begining won't be at the same point as me. And it would be annoying to say the least for someone to come in and expect the same favors that took me years to earn just because they assume somehow they are owed that because they believe that they are a slave. So I think its important to look at it not just from your perspective but also from the initial slave's perspective.

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RE: additional slaves - 12/20/2005 8:38:29 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Thanks nephandi lol but its not a question of why he is bringing another slave in..

yun, i realize completely what you are saying...and actually agree with the ideas... i understand the idea behind it i just don't get the reality of it. Any slave wants to be mastered and owned... why should they bother with a Master who sends his slave to find a girl, when his initial slave was "found" by him. he put work into her and drew her to him simply with the Actions/reaction concept of his being a Master and she reacted as slave. There is no Action/reaction.. there is the hey, how you doin, ya know, i have this master that i think would like ya so let's see if i like ya and then maybe you will be worthy to meet him.... or the Greetings slave, i am looking for a companion and/or sister for my existing slave -- oh and i guess that means you will be slave to me. Wanna come? Yes this is an exaggeration but only to the point of words, the delivery and the way it comes across is not.

smiles.. i realize most own slaves would say oh yes you should be if you are slave... and probably many of the masters will say the same thing...

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