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Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 12:01:51 AM   
Webmaster60


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Status: offline 		Inspired by the puppies thing.. and the natural order, and genes thing..

I find that I'm EXTREMELY good with animals.. especially horses and such..I don't fear them, they respond to me. With horses and "working dogs" it seems almost spiritual.

How many of you, that consider yourself Masters, with slaves or not, find that you also do with well with animals
If there seems to be a pattern there.. what do you attribute it to? what comon dynamics cause the two to be true?

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 3:24:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		i've noticed that animals also respond to my Master. i live with the snobbiest cat alive who i can't hold without being scratched. my Master came into my house and picked her right up with no problem. she just let him hold her belly up ... as if she was the most submissive animal around. i was amazed. he also has a friendly, well trained dog.

it used to make me laugh when he would compare dog behavior and training to that of slaves. and i know that he enjoys when i, too, recognize the similarities between me and his dog. there are times when we'll lay on the floor together. he'll look down at us and smile ... and i know.

i think there's a certain kind of confidence a person needs when approaching animals as well as slaves. and both can sense it.

humbly,
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ps ... i realize this post was directed toward Masters ... and since my Master doesn't participate on the boards ... i hope it's ok that i share what i did.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 5:48:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am a submissive woman, perhaps to be a slave, but i get good response whit animals, animals that hate everyone like me, and i can usualy get them to do what i want. i think it is more liking animals and caring for them and not being afride of them than if you are natrualy Dominant or not. Animals can tell if you like them my family always says.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 11:35:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tal Michael,
I have noticed the same thing in My life. I've always been able to attract, calm, and handle animals. Dogs, cats, horses, monkeys, rabbits, deer, whatever I've come into contact with. One time I crossed paths with a gray wolf, he raised his hackles at me, then I started growling and yelping, and we ended up having a conversation for about 15 minutes before parting ways,(although I have no idea what was said, he was satisfied). This sort of thing has happened many times in my life. I dont' know about a pattern, but for me it's a natural part of being, and yes, it works the same with women, it's like on some level above conscious, they're aware that they can relax and know they're protected.
Sorry, that's the best I can do to describe it.
Sincerely, F


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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 12:12:25 PM   
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I believe that Masters do well with animals because of their dominant nature. Refering to the Natural Order theory, in nature we see that most animals refer to dominance and submissive natures. Wolves in a pack will always have one male that is dominant over the others. The others fall in line behind (be submissive to) that male until something takes him from his spot as leader of the pack, then another takes his place. I believe the same is true of horses but it been along time is I studied that animals behavior to be sure. Anyway, what it all come down to is that they see you or another Master as an alpha and therefore become subservient. This would especially happen with a horse that is tamed.
Just this morning I took one of my girls to see her chiropractor. One of the other clients had their dog in the waiting room and I'll be damned if that dog wouldn't leave me alone. Just kept wanting my attention and even sat at my feet instead of it's owners. The guy got up to get his adjustment and that dog wouldn't budge. The owners finally had to put it's collar on it and almost drag it out the door when he was done. Funniest thing I ever had happen.
Reguardless, those are my thoughts on the op.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 12:25:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		But I know plenty of submissives who work great with animals as well. I don't think there's any clear link between lifestyle orientation and ability to connect to animals.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 3:20:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Spiritual and Sadistic, seem to be an oxymoron to say the least?
Guess, I'm confused. You are spiritual with animals and sadistic with slaves?
I'm missing something, obviously?

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 3:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		i agree whit Emerald, i am wonderful whit animals and i am submissive, yes animals, especialy dogs and other of that type will respont well to somone that are Dominant as they feel safe whit a strong leader, yet they still like submisives and cats adore me.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 4:42:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a certain trust that animals give to a human that you rarely find in another human. That complete devotion and attention to detail that a dog may give or a horse or other animal trained or not. I have always found it very easy to be around animals of all types and to be at ease with them. I have yet to fail at training a dog regardless of where they came from.

I simply love animals, and as you notice my icon for this forum it is a wolf, one of the shyest and reserved animals in the wild. Waya was adopted by my slave for me this Christmas as she knows my identity to the wolf is strong. I believe the wolf to be my spirit guide. Shameless plug; go to www.everythingwolf.com to visit Waya and his brother and sister. They always need help.

As to the reason? Confidence, a scent of tenderness without weakness and perhaps a little magic we still have not dissected with science. As much as I would love to believe that this is simply a Masters trait, I find it more in all who are at one with themselves. Who know who they are, what they are and are able to have that aura around them that others can notice.

I also believe in an inherent good and evil. I believe we are born with one or the other as the core of us and the opposite will work on us through life. Whichever wins out is what makes us along with the decisions in life we make. Animals can sense evil.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/27/2005 5:52:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		You live whit a Wolf, you are so lucky, i wish i got to see one, well i have at zoos but that is not the same, they are glorious being, i think it is such a shame that in Norway they kill woles for killing a sheep, what do they think they are, poodels, ofcourse they will kill things and eat them, it is what they do, and when one hunt away all the game what is left for them but sheep, i get so angry i almost burst.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 4:07:00 AM   
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As much as I would love to believe that this is simply a Masters trait, I find it more in all who are at one with themselves. Who know who they are, what they are and are able to have that aura around them that others can notice.


Delvin ... i agree that animals and people can sense this and i think that's a really great point that you brought up. however, don't you also think that they can sense fear?

in my post above ... i am scared of being scratched by the cat. i don't think it even occurs to my Master that the cat would scratch him. so i believe that the cat's submissive behavior toward him is due to the aura that you speak of in addition to the total confidence and dominance that he approaches the cat with. where i, on the other hand, approach her with trepidation, which she senses.

animals and children are naturally attracted to me. they sense warmth and safety. at any gathering you will find the majority of little ones attatched to me or following me around. and to be honest ... laughs ... i'm not even that good with kids. as long as i don't fear getting hurt (for the most part, by an animal ... although i've met some children that were a bit scary) then they sense a loving energy from me. but once fear is added to the mix .. i'm doomed.

my point being ... that Masters/Mistresses, mostly, exude this quality of confidence and dominance that submissives don't have. so i think there is a correlation, however small.

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 5:09:11 AM   
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quote:

But I know plenty of submissives who work great with animals as well. I don't think there's any clear link between lifestyle orientation and ability to connect to animals.


I think you may be both right and wrong..As with Delvin's illustration, and as I've discussed this with a few off line:
First, I never indicated that Masters were exclusive in this.. Many slaves are also good with animals (where you are right) but I think along the lines Delvin said, that there is something that some of us have, that baser nature, those things unspoiled by society, untainted by civilization. Where we, man the animal, can enjoy a relationship with other animals on that level.
Now where I disagree, is this imo, has everything to do with M/s relationships. Back to the natural order thing.. I feel like "we" are closer to the balance of things when we embrace the concepts of M/s. We depart from society, get back in touch with that which calls us to be who and what we are. THose of us that can truly embrace these concepts, can also possess this.. "mindset?" I'm probably being my usual literary fumbler here.. did that make sense?

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 5:19:07 AM   
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Spiritual and Sadistic, seem to be an oxymoron to say the least?
Guess, I'm confused. You are spiritual with animals and sadistic with slaves?


You must be referencing a previous post on the sadistic issue.. I should be flattered. ::yawn::
If it seems an oxymoron to you than you've never truly experienced BOTH sides of that particular coin. So are you not spiritual or not sadistic? I won't elaborate further as its WAY off topic for this thread.. If you want to know how the two can be the same, write me offline..
To answer your question, yes, exactly. I kill animals. Never for sport, I always eat what I kill. I would never engage in or allow in my presence, any activity which would be cruel to an animal. They, like slaves are to be used, not mistreated.

quote:

I'm missing something, obviously?

obviously.


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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 5:58:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60
THose of us that can truly embrace these concepts, can also possess this.. "mindset?" I'm probably being my usual literary fumbler here.. did that make sense?

No simply because again your "order" cancels out all the women who might connect in that way and be dominant or lesbian and all the men who are homosexual or submissive. What of all of those people who connect very deeply with nature and animals? You would still consider them fighting against some "order." You said that very plainly.

I agree that people who can connect with nature and animals have a special sense about themselves and their place in the world. I was always teased growing up that other cats considered me "one of them." I got teased in school because I was always playing with the snake and even made the entire class horrified once by kissing it.

I disagree that it has anything to do with lifestyle orientation or gender orientation and is simply an affinity that some people have.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 6:02:12 AM   
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I disagree that it has anything to do with lifestyle orientation or gender orientation and is simply an affinity that some people have.


Ok

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 6:32:46 AM   
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Animals react positivly to pepole that act like them, and Dominant men do wonderfully whit dogs, for example my mother have finaly found a lover after so many years alone, and i am so happy for her, he is a self asured man, a kind and gentle man, but definitly a man, though not Dominant in the D/s menaing of the word, he is an autoriative figure, and he have been raising and keeping hunting dogs for a long time, my mother`s little Bicon Fricee (Or whatever way it is written, little white hairball.) emidiatly reacts positivly to him, the same whit my dear grandfather, he could get any dog to obey whit a look. The dogs can react to such pepole becouse they can ineract when them on their level. Like so many dog trainers say, a dog is ot a little human whit fur, it is an animal, and inteligent animal whit feelings and induviduality yes, but one whos nature is to follow the strong leader.

As for other animals, just like whit women, strong men make animals feel safe, becouse that little cat, or even canary bird know that, he will not et them hurt me, he is big and strong.

But then there is kindness, many animals react to women becouse thye are kind, like in our household where my pet cat that never obeys me, obeys my fancee and go to him for food, but comes to me for cuddeling, and she may challange him and scratch him, but she never uses her claws on me. Many animals likes women better than men becouse they dont feel treathend by them.

But beside nature, and beside all of that, some pepole just have an afinity whit animals, this afinity is nearly magical and bears no logic, they simply conect whit the animals, dogs, cats, birds, rabbits, fish wahtever, i can usualy conect whit it and make frinds. i think that both Master Michael and Emerald is right in what they say, it is not either or it is both.

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 7:34:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		what makes sense to this girl is that if we are all, in accordance within our baser self, then a Master that is good with animals...would be good with a slave(in my perfcet world) since so much of the M/s is based on our primal needs and wants...
imo...
time for more coffee too

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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 7:48:29 AM   
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While it sounds plausible, and who knows..I find the linkage alittle difficult based on the fact that..one slaves Master may not or is not perceived by another slave as one they themselves would seek to call Master in a Ownership way.

To say one that calls themselves Master who does well with all animals..would not necessarily do well with any and all slaves (I think this is a proven fact). I can not comment really on the flip side of this as I've yet to meet a Master or a slave that has not been through a few slaves or Masters themselves, and never was privy to how those individuals related to animals.

starshine
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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 7:54:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		this is true,lol, i knew i needed more java...

just b/c a Master calls to my belly doesn't necessaily mean it will be the same voice another slave would hear ...

but that same Master could be good with all animals...

**can you tell i'm still shaking off my befuddledness***


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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Greetings..~smiles~


While it sounds plausible, and who knows..I find the linkage alittle difficult based on the fact that..one slaves Master may not or is not perceived by another slave as one they themselves would seek to call Master in a Ownership way.

To say one that calls themselves Master who does well with all animals..would not necessarily do well with any and all slaves (I think this is a proven fact). I can not comment really on the flip side of this as I've yet to meet a Master or a slave that has not been through a few slaves or Masters themselves, and never was privy to how those individuals related to animals.

starshine
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RE: Masters and Animals - 12/28/2005 8:22:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find that I'm better with preditor type animals then what would be seen as prey/herd type.

Prey/herd type have a habit of shying away from me. It's....funny.

That's why I don't go to pet stores........

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