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Confused - 12/27/2005 8:47:33 AM

wristscrossed

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New here. What on earth is this Gorean stuff? Why does it see women as naturally weaker?

Anybody wanna help a confused newbie out?

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:01:24 AM

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There are many great threads here on the Gorean forum.. just read read read!
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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:02:52 AM

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hiya wristscrossed,

as in my email to you, i suggest that you read this forum a little bit. i gave you a brief background to gorean philosophy, but you need to read about it and determine if it is something that resonates within you.

to answer your question on women being weaker. look at youself. then ask what you find attractive in a man, and why.

i am a tall girl, it has been hard in my life to couple myself with a man who was taller than i. i wanted nothing more than to feel the power of a man over me physically. for me it was importatant that i find this. my owner stands 6 inches taller than me. he is broader and larger than most men. and i drip with eager anticipation like never before. THAT is my natural female responce to being reminded i am the "softer, weaker" sex!

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:16:51 AM

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:) Greetings,

women are not weaker...it takes a strong person to give up control. Men just seem to know how to control their emotions alot better then us women.Master does not see me as a weaker sex...just a emotional one.So Smile Miss...we are proud of what we are :)

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:21:13 AM

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quote:

women are not weaker

can you beat him at an arm wrestling contest?

i am speaking of pysical strength here. if you can... well good for you. i'd not be turned on by an man i could beat physically. but that is just me.

i am posessed of slave pride, so i am thrilled to be weak to my master's strength.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:38:38 AM

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i could probably beat my fiancee in arm wresteling, i am not werry tall, 170 cm i think that is aboute 5.5 or somthing, but I have strong buildt and I am strong, now in the Gorean phiosophy, while some of the men take the I am stronger so I rule way of looking at it, for most it is somthing else, we as women natrualy seek a protector, somone to take care of us, not all women ofcourse but many will yield power to the man she find that can give that protection, like a lioness whit her male.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:39:49 AM

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amen edana.. Having lived most of my adult life being a tall woman -- meaning taller than the average man even, and a strong woman after being in sports most my life.. my profile specifically states i am 5'10, taller please. This is not to offend, this is not to discriminate against the short people, its like edana says..

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i wanted nothing more than to feel the power of a man over me physically. for me it was importatant that i find this. ... i drip with eager anticipation like never before. THAT is my natural female responce to being reminded i am the "softer, weaker" sex!

Do i want to be "weaker" than my Master in strength and height and width.. hell yes lol because then i know he will be a strong man who will have physical power over me.
That is not the only factor but it is a big one along with many others. Is this politically incorrect to discriminate over someone because of how tall or strong he is as a Man.... yep, but this isn't a politically correct way of life either.

This is also why i find it very hard to submit in any fashion to women.... most women are smaller than me.. you do the math lol.

angel... (cloning, i am soooo becoming interested in cloning lately!!)

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:43:03 AM

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Cool. Thanks for the help guys. K

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:46:06 AM

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it is strange in Norway 5,10 is not that unusual for a woman, many reach 6 feet to and most men are over 6 feet. edena would be tall but not werry tall over here. my fiancee is 6 foot 1 and that is not werry tall.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 9:56:53 AM

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quote:

i am posessed of slave pride, so i am thrilled to be weak to my master's strength.

Agreed. I absolutely love that he is physically and psychologically stronger than I am. I love that he can overpower and outsmart me at every turn..it helped bind me to him and helps keep me there. I would never have any interest in a man who was not stronger than I am..in all ways.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 10:18:01 AM

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we have hashed this over so many times on this message board.

saying that females are naturally weaker than males is not the same as saying we are somehow mentally inept.

if our survival was based on beating men at arm wrestling contests. the female species would grow very small until genetics and breeding altered and women began developing muscles like a man.

Cultures are a melding pot these days. If you look in America, there are so many different breeds of people. some are naturally small both men and women, some are naturally large, both men and women. In groups of people who tend to stick to marrying thier own kind, you see that in any one breed the females in general tend to be smaller than the males.

I come from the north, high up in scotland. my people are tall warrior type. i am naturally strong, as angel said she is, due to my liking of sports and exercise. physical endurance challenges thrill me partially because of where i come from.

One of the reasons i fell instantly to my owners feet is because when i saw him (A man of similar breeding) I recognized in him a man who not only could but WOULD master me. This inevitability is more than partially due to his superior strength over me, and my natural female responce to that.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 10:20:27 AM

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One question, what would happen if you then got better then him at somthing, it could happen, if you both did somthing, you could have more talent, what would you then do?

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 10:53:12 AM

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nephandi...for a woman to be weaker or even want to be weaker than her Master is not a negative aspect of life. Its not a bad thing. Its a fact of life. You are putting it in terms of being weaker is not as good as being stronger. Its not a competition its reactions of Men and women to each other.

Women, at least women who are slaves that i know, don't... for lack of better explanation .. compete with the Men, FW might, but slaves don't. Why? Because they aren't trying to be equal to their Master or better than the their Master. They know that within the bonds of mastery and ownership.. he is the strength simply because of his mastery and ownership of her which is all a collection of actions and reactions on both parts its not one thing. There is a recognition of power.. its a reaction to Him. its a female response as edana said.

Because he is bigger and stronger than the slave doesn't mean its defining better or worse. its simply Man to woman and woman to Man reactions.

i hope this makes sense lol. angel

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 11:04:08 AM

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i am not saying it is a bad thing either, i was just aking for those that found it inportant that the Master be stronger than them in every aspect what would happen if she was better than him at somthing, that might happen, whiout any competition just becouse she might have a talent for somthing he did not, what then?

i am not thinking physicaly weaker her for most woman are physicaly weaker than men, but for those that need him to be smarter to, what if she is better at matematics or computers or whatever than him, i am not sugesting competition or saying their wants are bad, i am mearly asking what happens then, do she look for a man that is better at everything she do, do she acept the situation, do she stop doing the activity she is good at, i am asking out of curiosity.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 11:26:53 AM

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if i may ad to this a bit...
Master makes me weak(in the knees,lol) when he calls to me.His very presence in a room oozes strength and superiority and his power over me...
even tho i may have fought my belly....Master is the ONLY one whom i have never been able to manipulate or let me get away with anything and that is why i love him so.
Master is the one that makes my voice tremble and tears come to my eyes as i drop to my knees when he says "what are you?" as he yanks my hair back and i know of only one response and that is, "yours Master".

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 11:38:09 AM

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quote:

One question, what would happen if you then got better then him at somthing, it could happen, if you both did somthing, you could have more talent, what would you then do?

I have no idea. I don't play the hypothetical game..what will happen is exactly what HE wants to happen. It has not occured in 5 years. I can't imagine anything that he uses me for that would set up that type of situation as it relates to my slavery. He told me something a long time ago that has held true over and over. He said "I will always take it up a notch higher than you can..always"

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 11:44:15 AM

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nephandi, I think a slave being better at something adds to her value to the Master. And if something like being better at the computer then your Master or being able to add faster then him is cause for you to not beg for his collar, then obviously you are the wrong slave for that Master. There are going to be things that one person is better at then another. Is that a negative? Only if you make it one.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 12:00:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

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One question, what would happen if you then got better then him at somthing, it could happen, if you both did somthing, you could have more talent, what would you then do?

I have no idea. I don't play the hypothetical game..what will happen is exactly what HE wants to happen. It has not occured in 5 years. I can't imagine anything that he uses me for that would set up that type of situation as it relates to my slavery. He told me something a long time ago that has held true over and over. He said "I will always take it up a notch higher than you can..always"

I wonder if that applies to cocksucking...

Flippancy aside, it's not necessarily a hypothetical question. There must be some things that you can do better than your master. It doesn't make a person any less of a slave to be highly skilled or accomplished in certain areas, and any master with two brain cells to rub together would prize such abilities in their property. Your abilities do nothing to diminish their position (unles they have some serious ego issues) and they increase your value and usefulness.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 12:31:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

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One question, what would happen if you then got better then him at somthing, it could happen, if you both did somthing, you could have more talent, what would you then do?

I have no idea. I don't play the hypothetical game..what will happen is exactly what HE wants to happen. It has not occured in 5 years. I can't imagine anything that he uses me for that would set up that type of situation as it relates to my slavery. He told me something a long time ago that has held true over and over. He said "I will always take it up a notch higher than you can..always"

I wonder if that applies to cocksucking...

Flippancy aside, it's not necessarily a hypothetical question. There must be some things that you can do better than your master. It doesn't make a person any less of a slave to be highly skilled or accomplished in certain areas, and any master with two brain cells to rub together would prize such abilities in their property. Your abilities do nothing to diminish their position (unles they have some serious ego issues) and they increase your value and usefulness.

~stef

There has not been a time in the last 5 years where I have "gotten better than him at something" we _both_ did. Which is what she asked. He can think circles around me. The hypothetical was asking me what would you do? I have no idea what he would have me do. I don't think like that. There is nothing beneficial in doing that. My ability to control or plan for my future ended when I became property.

I'm valued for what my purpose is here. I'm highly skilled in areas he has use for. I never said anything about other slaves, their value, or the depth of their enslavment. You are right my abilities increase my usefulness. I never said they didn't. I am sorry I wasn't more concise in my original post. I'm apologize, I try to be very clear.

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RE: Confused - 12/27/2005 12:35:30 PM

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I know I get turned on by someone who is physically more imposing and stronger than I am. But I would worry if that was a key component of my relationship with them- what happened if there was an accident? A health issue?

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