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"attracting" potential Owners - 12/27/2005 9:59:54 PM

barelynangel

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An un-owned slave might not be (or I should say: might not act) ‘submissive’ at all (though that’s not going to attract them very many potential owners)

i saw the above statemement and am very curious what the Men of a Gorean mindset think or believe in terms of agreeing or disagreeing and why?

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/27/2005 10:39:45 PM

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For some that might be completely true, and to others, the lack of submissiveness may be viewed as a challenge as the prize may be great. I feel the latter. =)

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 5:55:59 AM

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quote:

i saw the above statemement and am very curious what the Men of a Gorean mindset think or believe in terms of agreeing or disagreeing and why?

I would be completely disinterested in a girl like that. No, I'm not saying a girl should call all "doms" Master or serve "all" men, but there, to me ARE standards of behavior for a slave. If she's a slave, unowned or not, she should behave as one. I see the above as so much of a brat, and have no time for them. She is what she is, regardless of what others are, or not. To behave differently simply means that when she is "behaving" as a slave, she's doing just that, its how she's behaving, not WHO she is. There are a number of admirable slaves here. They behave as such.. THAT attracts a "Master".

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 6:12:21 AM

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One question then Master Michael from one who do not wish to ofend anyone, how do one act like a slave, is there spesific things one should do to be found aceptable on a forum such as this?

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 6:22:28 AM

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One question then Master Michael from one who do not wish to ofend anyone, how do one act like a slave, is there spesific things one should do to be found aceptable on a forum such as this?

well for the purposes of this forum.. take a look.. girls who are not only slaves, but SHOW it in their word and deed. lisasea,edana, yun, fyre all have opinions, and all voice them here.. and they certainly don't always agree :) ... But they are never (that I've seen) crass or disrespectful to a dominant. Perhaps a little heated with other slaves sometimes.. But thay always "act like slaves".

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 6:25:31 AM

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mmm Master Michael you seem to be attributing not a submissive or acting submissive with negative behavior of a brat. Interesting interpretation.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 6:31:46 AM

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mmm Master Michael you seem to be attributing not a submissive or acting submissive with negative behavior of a brat. Interesting interpretation.

Please keep in mind, that ALL slaves have their "moments". You are women after all, and you have them :)
So ANY girl "sometimes" in a "moment" may act "not so submissive". Difference between her and a brat is the slave can be reigned in with a look and genuinely be sorry for her action. You actually have to say something to the brat which often will draw some negative non-verbal attacment to the forced silence.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 6:37:31 AM

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Thank you, Master, from a girl that has acted a brat more than once.

i am slowly learning my way.

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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

quote:

One question then Master Michael from one who do not wish to ofend anyone, how do one act like a slave, is there spesific things one should do to be found aceptable on a forum such as this?

well for the purposes of this forum.. take a look.. girls who are not only slaves, but SHOW it in their word and deed. lisasea,edana, yun, fyre all have opinions, and all voice them here.. and they certainly don't always agree :) ... But they are never (that I've seen) crass or disrespectful to a dominant. Perhaps a little heated with other slaves sometimes.. But thay always "act like slaves".

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 6:37:55 AM

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Master Michael, thank you for your answer. i often find a temper to be my problem, i have always had it, in the school years i fougth like a wildcat becouse i was angry, big and strong and lashed out at all i belived ofended me, i have learned to do better whit time, but still often i can not keep it from my thounge or my fingers when i write.

And it sadens me, not only becouse i want to act submissivly, but mostly becouse i am of the reigous belifh that nothing is true, yet nothing is false, no opinion is wrong, it only differs from mine, and i should not lash out at it, and i try to do better, but somtimes i fall back into old tracks and use that vocabulary of mine to atackk the one i feel is ofending, and i dont want to be like that.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 7:44:28 AM

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greetings

Goreans believed that is was a natural state for a woman to be submissive to a man. As a member of the Caste of Slavers..well...it starts with a Voyage of Acquisition.

I wish you well

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 8:19:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lyku

For some that might be completely true, and to others, the lack of submissiveness may be viewed as a challenge as the prize may be great. I feel the latter. =)

As I've replyed in other threads, this is the way I feel.

The eventual prize is better then the quick prize, IMO.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 8:19:38 AM

edana

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greetings,

if i may venture my own idea as to why a girl may or may not appear submissive to some men...

i feel submissive bahavior is relative to whom you are around. In no way what so ever do i behave in an overtly *submissive* fashion when i am in a meeting with a team of web developers instructing them as to what the client wants to see. To them i am in the "know" they need to look up to me. I do not try to dominant them either, i am simply getting the best job done for my owner. at the end of the day i am who i am for me that is edana, the slave of Leonidas.

Now taking this into the lifestyle, when i was "dating" ... persay... i had several people say that i should be domme or at least switch. why? well. perhaps my height? or my demenor toward them? I believe angel, that your behavior is pretty much a direct correlation to who you are in contact with. with you, as it was for me, and i am sure others here. there will be many men whom will not view you as slave, or even submissive but that is because you do not view them as naturally dominant over you. Yes they are male, but perhaps more suited to a collar themselves rather than putting you in one. (this is in respect to you - they very well could be dominant over someone else)

This is where your natural master will help you. finding him is not easy especially if you are naturally an alpha type female to begin with. But they are there.

the bottom line is continue to behave naturally, as you should. dont fake or force submissivness. it will be commanded from you from the right master at the right time.

< Message edited by edana -- 12/28/2005 8:22:22 AM >

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 8:28:47 AM

yun

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
mmm Master Michael you seem to be attributing not a submissive or acting submissive with negative behavior of a brat. Interesting interpretation.

angel

greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves..

i think one of the distinctions that need to be made (and i've seen this argument a lot on different boards) is whether you are using submissive as a noun or a verb. i am always "a" submissive (noun) in the sense it is who i am. but i may not always be "acting" submissive (verb) as i may be presented in a situation such as work where i am often acting in a very dominant matter over coworkers or clients. from one glance at seeing me on my job i don't believe anyone would truly view me as being a submissive/slave. so by first glances then no..someone wouldn't see me as being attractive to a potential owner. but once that owner sat down and talked to me, saw me outside of that work environment when i can both act and be submissive then i believe my dominance in my job would be seen as a very attractive trait.

i know many of us judge on first impressions and first glances, but a potential owner would probably take into account the situation at hand to see if the girl is just not in a position to be acting submissive or if she is working on some bratty behavior. there is a HUGE difference in the two. so basically it comes down to semantics and good ol english as to whether you are looking at the person as a noun or a verb.

with an allowed voice..

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 8:39:07 AM

barelynangel

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hi yun.. the initial quote is not mine.. it was made by a proclaimed Master on another board (not gorean board). He didn't go into his defnitions but generalized i believe. Based on how he phrased it.. i am presuming he is using it both ways..

Which was why i was curious how Goreans would view such a statement and if they made distinctions in women between being "a" submissive, "acting" submissive, or my own idea imputed now of "reacting" submissively.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 8:56:52 AM

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Greetings..~smiles~

You can do no more than simply being true to yourself. The problem often arising and allowing for such a wide variance from those around you at any given time is that each person evolves differently, and each person is constantly at a different stage of discovery of themselves. The real you. Sometimes getting to that "real you" stage is a long journey, and often requires a pushing off or away of everything around you that keeps you in a perception of "oh I can or shouldn't do that because it will upset my or cause this or they won't like or the world views this as wrong behavior or belief" or the myriads of other bombardments that keep us from finding comfort and contentment with just being who we are.

One or many persons may not view you as you wish to be seen..but somewhere out there is that someone that will see you, and think all the others are the crazy ones.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 9:04:49 AM

barelynangel

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Smiles.. okay i am not sure if i am seeing this correctly.. but i just want to clarify this really isn't about me honest, i promise lol.. i am not trying to gain personal insite of changing who i am or what i do or whatever, i honestly simply saw the quote and decided to put it to the Gorean Masters on a Gorean forum.... trying to stear the thread away from me and back to the original topic and question simply because i am curious as to gorean mindsets vs what i see amongst other forums of M/s.

Thanks though for the replies..

< Message edited by barelynangel -- 12/28/2005 9:07:33 AM >

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 9:13:49 AM

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Understood angel..my post was not written with you in mind..just in general.."you" being the mass's that evolve through these process's.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 9:23:20 AM

barelynangel

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lol oh okay thanks starshinedowned.. i am just honestly curious how men who incorporate gorean philosophies into their lives view the different of being "a" submissive, "acting" submissively, and the idea i add, the "reacting" submissively when contemplating whether they see value in a woman and how each of those idea plays out in their mind of being of importance to them. And if somehow a woman being one over the other two tends to attract more Men of Gorean mindset than not.

grins i am just having an inquiring mind this week.. i am on vacation lol and finds i have become completely domesticated lol and workoutable lol and is shocking the heck out of myself lol i've never had a whole week off and not go anywhere lol. yes yes i know lol TMI lol.. i am also wondering about another statement i saw too lol.. wants younger slave because they are easier to train.. but that's another thread someday lol.

angel

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 1:24:06 PM

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I believe angel, that your behavior is pretty much a direct correlation to who you are in contact with. with you, as it was for me, and i am sure others here. there will be many men whom will not view you as slave, or even submissive but that is because you do not view them as naturally dominant over you. Yes they are male, but perhaps more suited to a collar themselves rather than putting you in one. (this is in respect to you - they very well could be dominant over someone else)

This is where your natural master will help you. finding him is not easy especially if you are naturally an alpha type female to begin with. But they are there.

the bottom line is continue to behave naturally, as you should. dont fake or force submissivness. it will be commanded from you from the right master at the right time.

Thank you for saying this. I could not agree more.

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RE: "attracting" potential Owners - 12/28/2005 2:06:30 PM

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Do you want to be my slave?
Then, respect me and I will you.
Once, that is established, trust me and I will you.
Once, that is established, love me and I will you.
Once, that is establlished, you will always respect me and I will feed your desire to serve me and mine to own you.

This isn't rocket science...slaves and Free world....geesh, we make it so hard?

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