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Mitzie -> ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 4:06:35 PM)

Tal and greetings and hello

                                     ok people this is earth  not planet Gor

who does and does not celebrate xmas
I do  and today I got new my dad is terminal  so I will do all I can to enjoy my last xmas with him .

how far do you go with our lifestyle  do you only celebrate what is in the books ?? do you  buy your slave a xmas present  ???

I am not asking for the sympathy  but  why you do or do not celebrate  Christmas  and your reasons  why.

also can a slave buy a present when in the books they had no money ??

   Mitzie



Musicmystery -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 4:40:37 PM)

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today I got news my dad is terminal 


Mitzie,

I'm sorry to hear that. May your time together be as special as I spent with my grandfather.

Best,

Tim



alittleevil -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 4:55:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mitzie
Tal and greetings and hello

                                   ok people this is earth  not planet Gor

who does and does not celebrate xmas
I do  and today I got new my dad is terminal  so I will do all I can to enjoy my last xmas with him .

how far do you go with our lifestyle  do you only celebrate what is in the books ?? do you  buy your slave a xmas present  ???

I am not asking for the sympathy  but  why you do or do not celebrate  Christmas  and your reasons  why.

also can a slave buy a present when in the books they had no money ??

Mitzie


Greetings Mistress Mitzie,

Master is not Christian, yet we celebrate in a fairly traditional manner: family gatherings, lights, presents and lots (and lots!) of food.  He loves decorated sugar cookies, so i make several batches throughout the month.  Master also LOVES giving and getting presents, and makes allowances with the household money this time of year.  I get so much joy out of being able to surprise him and trying to be creative in the gifts i find for him.  He gives inspired, very personalized gifts as well--touching little things that i would never have guessed he had paid attention to throughout the year.    The Christmas season has always been important among my family, so i am fortunate that Master allows and encourages my joy in being able to share the giving spirit. This is the first year that both offspring no longer believe in Santa. It's bittersweet.  We celebrate for cultural, familial reasons i suppose. It brings a time of light and love and laughter in the darkness.

I wish for you a Christmas that will fill your memories, Mistress Mitzie.

Blessings of the Season,
aj



Mitzie -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 5:02:57 PM)

Thank you Tim

             he is my dad I love him to bits
I just come across so many others say no  I do not celebrate xmas

so I ask people to post why ??/ and what is there reasons?
and also for those that do celebrate xmas   why ???

Mitzie



slavetaboo -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 6:10:40 PM)

greetings Mistress,

it's sad to learn of your father's condition. best wishes won't be much help but hopefully you will find a way to work through the difficulties which lay ahead. celebrating life is important. as far as christmas is concerned, the connection here seems ironic. you don't have to be a bible thumper to believe and to follow what feels right in your heart. presents and lights get people's attention quickly but also provide an opportune moment to share the knowledge of the holiday, it's meaning and why it's important as a celebration of life.

a believer not a church-go-er,
taboo



Leonidas -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 6:25:53 PM)

Don't really celebrate Christmas.  I have family members who do, and I honor their celebrations with the proper greetings and the ritual sacrifices to the Gods of Retail that are customary where I live.

Christmas is actually Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (The Birthday of the Unconquered Sun).  It was celebrated by the Romans on December 25; the first day after the solstice when the sun stayed for a measurably longer time in the sky.  It was celebrated from the time of Aurelian until the time of Theodosius, who made Christianity the official religion of the Empire. 

Kind funny how the Christians changed the holiday from the "Birth of the Sun" to the "Birth of the Son" ain't it?  They did that with several holidays.  It allowed people to continue celebrating their traditional festivals while gradually introducing a completely different meaning to them.  Those sneaky Christians, I'll tell 'ya.  Jesus was actually, most likely, born in the Spring.

We humans have been using landmarks on the calendar to observe the passage of time and season for a long time.  The landmarks themselves are kind of arbitrary and change over time.  It's the human desire to observe them that's the constant.

Merry Christmas, Mitzie.









shannon8 -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 7:51:44 PM)

hello, all,

This one doesn't celebrate Christmas, because what is logical and observable to her, is solstice. How she celebrates varies from year to year. This year it's been quiet contemplation, or spinning. No ritual, it's seeming to be a beginning again type of moment for her. She's Slovene, so she does observe Christmas as cultural practice, but it's not religious, if that makes sense.  She burns incense on Christmas Day, New Year's Eve and the Epiphany to ward off evil spirits. She'll bake potica Christmas morning and take it to her mom's house for the nieces to completely ignore in favor of the iced rolls out of the can. :) There's also a million carols to be sung, and then someone will pull out an accordion, and all hell will break loose.

Gifts will be exchanged, small things, trinkets really. Everyone will get ridiculously drunk on spiced wine and start telling stories. Someone will get their feelings hurt and end up either crying, or passing out. We'll polka like it's 1949, play board games, watch football.

The nice thing is that all family drama is ignored. The not-so-nice thing is that all family drama is ignored. It's both stressful and liberating at the same time. Bah humbug! ;)

Mistress Mitzie, a girl is sad to hear of your news, but hopes that this Christmas is vibrant and meaningful and that your family draws close together during these times.

thoughtfully jumbled,
shannon



amelliagrace -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 8:08:57 PM)

Hi, Mitzie -
 
Yes, I celebrate Christmas.  There are those I care for a great deal who celebrate different holidays this time of year, and I've no difficulty at all wishing them a Blessed Solstice, Kwanza, or Chanukah.
 
Holidays serve purpose beyond the surface reasons for the respective celebrations.  And, as Leonidas pointed out, we sometimes celebrate a particular event at a time other than when it transpired.  Whatever a person's individual reasons for celebrating a particular holiday, and regardless of what is being celebrated, it is my opinion that society can benefit from those celebrations...and not just society at large, but individual families, extended families, and communities.  So often, whether or not a celebration is of signifigant benefit lies in the general values and personal attitudes involved.
 
In my extneded family, Christmas has always been a time when we acknowledge family.  We take the time to own our common bonds, without pretending the differences don't exist.  We take extra time with our loved ones, be they family we were born with who also happen to be our friends, or the friends we have chosen to be family with. 
 
I remember well the last Christmas I had with my father.  May yours be every bit as good.  He taught me so very many things.  One of them being not to stop building good memories together until there is no longer breath, another being not to die before you are dead.
 
Merry Christmas-
Grace



Kirata -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 9:56:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mitzie

why you do or do not celebrate  Christmas  and your reasons  why.

I celebrate Christmas. What with Santa Claus, and its customs of lights, gathering, giving, and feasting, it seems to me a very happy holiday all 'round. I don't see what anyone could find wrong with it. I do not consider going to church (or attending sun worship) a required part of it. Christmastime and its customs seem to me overall a good enough thing in their own right to go with.
 
Kirata
 



nastyNsweet -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/22/2008 10:22:08 PM)

Tal mitzie.....smiles,
this one, does celebrate Christmas, looks around to see the lights of her tree and the gifts it represents. This one wishes you and yours the most memorable holiday.
 
nNs



sunshinemiss -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/23/2008 6:07:14 AM)

Greetings Mistress Mitzie,
Yes, I celebrate, but in my own way.  I am not a Christian, but certainly have a respect for some of the tenets of Christianity.  This holiday, Christmas, has come to be many things since it has adopted so many rituals from so many other cultures; I don't feel like I'm being disrespectful or anything.  I love the Christmas music and make sure to get to church on the 24th to sing them.  Sometimes I've been alone and sung them all by myself, but even that has magic.  How can I not appreciate the idea of joy, hope, peace, love? 

I also typically celebrate Hannukah although I'm not with my Jewish friends this year yet, but I will see them next week and we will celebrate at the tail end of the holiday together, enjoying the magic of light. 

This years holiday season has seen me without a job for a few months, and so I've made all my holiday gifts or found things that mean a lot to me that I am giving - passing them on.  I love exchanging cards - that's my favorite part of the holidays.  A heartfelt card means more to me than just about anything.  I'm starting to like the idea of the picture cards... might have to do that next year.

peace and love,
sunshine




Musicmystery -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/23/2008 7:06:03 AM)

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The landmarks [on the calendar to observe the passage of time and season] themselves are kind of arbitrary and change over time.


Hi all,

Humans--at least of European descent--are even more constant than that. Pagan celebrations occurred at solstices, equinoxes, and the midpoints between. Early Christians, needed to compete with these, created "Holy-Days" at the same points. Today, in the U.S. at least, some of these are now secular observations, and they do wander off a few days here and there, but the pattern persists, and we can still trace it, at least loosely.

What actually amazes me about Christmas today is that Christians treat Advent as "the Christmas Season," then pack it up on Dec. 26, or at least Jan. 1 ("the Holidays"). What happened to the Twelve Days of Christmas? That Feast of the Epiphany seems damn important, as this is when the Magi arrive and (at least according to Christians) Jesus is revealed as the Son of God. Wouldn't that seem important, the culmination of the birth of this Prince of Peace? And in Conservative circles, those same Christians will complain about the dilution of the meaning of Christmas in our secular culture, themselves a mere shadow of what they pretend to proclaim.

One Christmas custom I do like is sending cards, even as it's demeaned as commercialization, and too readily dismissed. A yearly reminder to say hello and catch up with family and friends often living far away these days, often with little or no other contact, seems a worthy effort.

Best wishes for the season to all.

Tim



amelliagrace -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/23/2008 8:01:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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The landmarks [on the calendar to observe the passage of time and season] themselves are kind of arbitrary and change over time.
 

That Feast of the Epiphany seems damn important, as this is when the Magi arrive and (at least according to Christians) Jesus is revealed as the Son of God. Wouldn't that seem important, the culmination of the birth of this Prince of Peace? And in Conservative circles, those same Christians will complain about the dilution of the meaning of Christmas in our secular culture, themselves a mere shadow of what they pretend to proclaim.



Good point, Tim.
 
The spirit of Epiphany is one that I've sought to convey to my offspring.  Epiphany.  Revealing.  Revelation.  Discovery.  The major event points of life.  A spirit of revelation and discovery that is indeed important, and not just to Christianity as relates to the revealing of Jesus to the Magi, but to all the major epiphanies of life.  Those moments of revelation and lightbulbs going on internally which play such a huge role not just in the roads we take, but in who we become.  I dare say that anyone who's read the Gor books with a serioius eye has had at least an epiphany or two while doing so.
 
For me, the quest for a teaching aid resulted in the practice of the wandering wise men.  Our nativity stands, from just after Thanksgiving until Epiphany, without wise men.  They wander around the house in the interum.  Piano....mantle...the bathroom counter....the kitchen cubbard...the dining table...bedrooms...bookcases....it was a long journey, after all.  Much like the journey each of us takes in the living of our lives.
 
May we all have some Epiphany with our Holly Jolly, no matter what our personal belief system -
Grace



Koa -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/23/2008 11:13:13 AM)

Christmas rocks. Plus its my birthday tomorrow.



amelliagrace -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/23/2008 12:05:43 PM)

Happy Birthday, Koa!
 
Grace



LarabysLair -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/23/2008 1:18:10 PM)

Happy birthday Koa.

Jolly Yuletide to Free and fettered.

L L



Falaria -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/25/2008 12:03:06 AM)

Tal Mitzie,

Yes, I do celebrate Christmas, mostly because it was how I was raised, the celebration of Christ's birth as well as family tradition.  I've carried that tradition on and I'm passing that onto my daughters.  Although I will admit that anymore it is hard to celebrate Christmas and it has been like that since my parents divorced when I was a kid.  It did get better for quite a while when I gave birth to my first daughter.  Yes, there were times when the feelings of sadness would creep up and I would think about what wasn't anymore.  Now I go through it even more since I have divorced within the past year.  It is a struggle for me at times to keep my focus on the real reason for celebrating Christmas and once I do then things don't seem to bad.

I wish you well and wish you a most special Christmas with your father this year.

Falaria




dawntreader -> RE: ok do you celebrate chistmas (12/25/2008 9:15:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mitzie

I got new my dad is terminal  so I will do all I can to enjoy my last xmas with him .



Mitzie,
 
i am so sorry to read this news. i hope you have enjoyed this holiday with your dad - i am acutely aware how precious this time is~
j



ElectraGlide -> RE: ok do you celebrate Christmas (12/25/2008 9:35:36 PM)

I do celebrate Christmas. I just spent the last two days visiting family all over the local area, exchanging gifts and eating holiday meals with them.
My Slave now lives with me, she put up a small tree and she decorated it. I suprised her by stringing up lights all through the house when she was at work.
I have not decorated in the last few years, someone broke in a few years ago on Dec. 28th and stole most of the gifts my family got me, plus everything else of value they could take. So my Christmas spirit was wasted for awhile after that.



AmbrosialWench -> RE: ok do you celebrate Christmas (12/26/2008 7:21:11 AM)

Christmas only in recent history became celebrated on Dec. 25th. Christmas was originally celebrated on January 7th, the old Julian Calendar. The last country to accept Christmas on December 25th was Greece( I believe that was in the 1950's). The government forced the Church to change the day. They sent soldiers to the Churches which did not follow the orders and arrested priest.  Leon is correct that Romans had a pagan celebration. As they original Church felt many people were refusing to convert because of not wanting to give up celebrations which were familiar, they changed the celebration. The Church is very understanding of human nature. Hence, a man doesn't have to become circumcised to be a Christian. Also, the Church still celebrates the Epiphany. It is a much larger celebration. Typically, believers do not take down thier tree until after the Epiphany occurs. The Epiphany is when Christ was Baptised, it is not celebrated as when the Magi arrived. It truely is the celebration of all our baptisim, as we were born again. It is a beautiful sacrament.
For those of you who are believers: Christ is Born. Glorify Him
For those of you who are nonbelievers :Christ is Born.




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