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Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 6:25:58 AM

lisaSea

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Greetings Master DarkSide,

You asked a question in a thread I am unable to respond to, so I brought it here. Since I am one of those you mentioned, I will give my reasons.

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I have heard many people call the Norman Gor series, a badly written set of books....... if they are so badly written, why do so many people buy them...why have so many people learned quotes from them?????

One can look beyond the errors and redudant style of writing to find a meaning, just as with any work of literature. Just because I happen to find the typos and mispellings, doesn't mean I lost sight of what the author was trying to state. Speaking for myself, that is why "I" was able to purchase and enjoy them.

It doesn't erase the fact that there were errors that should have been caught by the publication firm. Who knows, maybe thats what gives them appeal? They are not perfect, much like us.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 6:42:24 AM

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I believe that he was asking why there are many on the Gorean forums that state the books are poorly written, yet quote the books.

Then again, I could be reading to much into the quote, and I do need sleep.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 7:18:24 AM

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It is not the typos, it is that the story is horrible, there are so many flaws that do n ot help to suspend disbelifh and i dont mean writing errors, let me take an example.

The Ships of Aqusition come flying down to earth and kidnap girls and somtimes boys to. And in Dancer of Gor we hear that they often take hundreds of women at a time, and we see they often kidnap career women feeling that they somthing need to be teatched a lesson. Well do many pepole disapear, but if every now and then 100 or more women, all atractive, many wealthy career women, and many of them from cotries such as Denmark that dont often have pepole disapear whitout a trace, there be some serious investigation. And I mean worlwide actions, who is taking our women, pepole would shout, there would be an outcry. There is just to many taken, to often and from the wrong places. A baglady whit no family will not cause mutch stir if kidnapped, but a respected librarian will, and also had there been 10 on eatch trip, sure, it might warent an investigation but could be belivable, but 100?

Besides police would see that, Oh God thjis happen all the time, and sooner or later somone would figure out what was happening. Another problem, the weakness of theese female slaves. Ok a torture expert from Earth get captured and she surenders after two strokes of a slave whip. Comon Norman be serious, a child of then could whitstand more than that.

The slave girls are always so happy never are it mentions in any mutch details grives from missing family, you know human emotion that makes the charecter seam real. Let us face it, as fantasy or sifi, the Gor Books are crap.

The only thing good is the stabalizer serums, they are werry corect when one compare them to some modern projects of anti aging, way to go Norman.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 7:33:20 AM

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The only thing good is the stabalizer serums, they are werry corect when one compare them to some modern projects of anti aging, way to go Norman.

Given my present age I can see where that's attractive, but I think there are two other factors. One is the need in some people for (as Piggy puts it in Lord of the Flies) "Let's have lots of rules and we'll punish anyone who disobeys them." Many newcomers are put off by mainstream BDSM when they are told "Beyond consent, there aren't many rules." They want to be told how to stand, greet people of different classes (What do you mean, there are no classes!!!!!), in general, how to do it right. This is seen in the glorification of the Old Guard who morphed their military rules into an SM context.

Another thing is a need for feeling that one is honorable and brave in a society where honor and bravery is more subtle and courage may mean facing up to peer attack like the NSF staffer who leaked the President was breaking the law. It's more simple to think in terms of swordfights and those "brave" actions of the past than what bravery means today.

I recall an episode of X Files where a character tells Mulder, "I know about courage, I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons for years."

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 7:42:44 AM

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Tal and greetings
I would never say the Gorean stories are anywhere near the works of Shakespear. I to find the stories, weak, I even figure what going to happen before I read the Chapter. Yes John Norman, unlike Gene Roddenberry, did not keep an accurate time line and the stories are full of condictions.
There is one thing I do find interesting in the stores. In my experience in the BDSM lifestyle I have found, men and women, who in their vanilla life in positions of authority, but in the BDSM side of themselves long to be a slave or submissive. Another thing mention is the kiddnapings, when Norman wrote the stories such things were considered stories, now alien kidnapping are to many serious.

I wish you well

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 7:51:09 AM

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Oh X-Files and Gor, there go Skully, bye bye whit that red hair i am sure you will catch a nice price.

Sorry just poppet into my mind when somone mentiond X-Files. The problem s that even if stories I like som realisem, and it is jmust to many women kidnapped to get any feeling of this could have happend. AKA Suspence of Disbalifh.

JohnWarren if you want i can direct you to books and pages on anti aging, all from the metaphysical to the sientific, it is a alrge topic and there is alot one can do to stay alive far longer than pepole normaly do, it is one of my favorite topics and i have studid it since i was 2 years old, when i first learned that human beings die from age. i desided i would not do that.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 7:58:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

JohnWarren if you want i can direct you to books and pages on anti aging, all from the metaphysical to the sientific, it is a alrge topic and there is alot one can do to stay alive far longer than pepole normaly do

Thanks, but I was speaking tongue in cheek. After all, I tend to agree with Horace's "dum vivimus, vivamus." Epicurus was right.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 8:12:02 AM

nephandi

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Oh, ok. Hum.. I dont get to discuss my favorite topic, disepointed now, cry. If you ever change your mind, just write me.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 9:42:04 AM

JohnWarren

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Oh, ok. Hum.. I dont get to discuss my favorite topic, disepointed now, cry. If you ever change your mind, just write me.

Well, you could always start your own note stream on "long life." I might look in but I warn you beforehand most of the "life extension rules" seem to me to increase the length while making it boring.

I'm already too old to "die young and leave a good looking corpse" but I plan to have fun until the Grim Reaper arrives. It's not the length of the life that matters; it's the length of the line of sobbing women following the meatwagon.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 10:56:40 AM

nephandi

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Hehehe, perhaps, though I prefer a long life, a long life tread might be fun, whre i post that, the general chatter board?

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 11:47:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

Hehehe, perhaps, though I prefer a long life, a long life tread might be fun, whre i post that, the general chatter board?

Probably the general one would be best under "off topic"

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 12:30:52 PM

nephandi

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Ok thanks. i wil get one started as son as i colect my ideas on the topic so i get good replies.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 3:55:42 PM

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The truth is, many people go missing everyday and some are never found, and a 100 out of millions isn't that musch of a stretch.....if you don't like a book or books, that is your right, but why call them crap.....I can't stand Hemmingway, his books bore me, should i call them crap....you might, but not me,.......oh and, the typos and such, are printers errors, not authors.......and as for time line and such...there are so many books that are popular that have the same problems that its funny......but the fact that so many talk about Norman's books prove one thing, lots of people read them, and isn't that why the author puplishes them....and i can imagine Norman laughing all the way to the bank....bad books, crap, whatever you chose to call them, many people read, and quote from them every day, what author wouldn't be proud of that.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 3:57:45 PM

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WOW, I just realised something........words that I typed started a thread....boy do I feel proud WEG

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 5:34:04 PM

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Becouse the books are basicaly bad B sifi, that is why they ended up in my colection in the first place becouse i happen to like crappy old, yelowed fantasy and sifi books, the more rare and unpoupar the better. But you are right, i will not call them crap, i am sorry, i did not mean to ofend, pleese forgive me. i will call them B from now on.

As for 100 pepole disapearing sure, but all of them being young atractive women, and this being a pattern, pepole will notice.

Policeman: Huh, Boss, this is the 12 reported missing person we have this night and, well they are all women, 16 to 40, all butiful from their descriptions and we have similar reports from other districts, and also we have some nutballs reporting aboute UFOs.

Repeat this pattern a few times and even the most domwitted will figure out somthing is nabbing women and we need to stop it. Unless ofcourse the Goreans are bribing the Police :D

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 5:38:02 PM

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My Gor readings were as a teen, so I've forgotten, but nephandi's example is shocking. Which book is that from?

A couple of days ago I was talking with a friend who works for a book company and I asked about the Gor series. She mentioned that a more recent publisher reportedly ruined the reprints. Any truth to that?

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 5:40:31 PM

nephandi

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Dancer of Gor is where 100 and more women taken on a ship at a time is mentiond, many cotries is mentiond to, among other Denmark and belive me in Scandinavia pepole dont often just disapear and when they do, pepole do react.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 6:30:59 PM

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I am definately one of those people that would refer to the books as badly written. From a literary point of view, I feel they are. The charachters are poorly developed. The plot lines are predictable The dialog is horrid. The lengthy descriptions of things such as different types of sailing vessels is almost enough to make me want to hang myself. All in all, I find the base concepts interesting, but poorly packaged.

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 6:59:50 PM

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edited even though i loved the whole post:

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I recall an episode of X Files where a character tells Mulder, "I know about courage, I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons for years."

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RE: Grammar and spelling are not everything - 1/3/2006 7:03:10 PM

nephandi

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krys, i agree, witch make me think how interesting it would ahve been if we had had Normas ideas developed by one of the masters of Fantasy now that had been somthing to marvel at.

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