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Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 11:11:42 AM   
edana


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Status: offline 		Can you spoil a slave? I guess you can create associations to specific actions in her mind such that if that action changes she might associate it with displeasure, or punishment.

My master has slept me in the bed with him since he has taken me. I love being in his arms! I feel safe, and secure… warm and cozy… I am a cuddler, and derive so much happiness from being there. I know my master well enough to know that he receives pleasure from having me there, else he would not hesitate to sleep me elsewhere.

Upon occasion he will order me to the foot of the bed, when he does I am beyond hysterical. And never fail to sob myself to sleep. I hate that I feel that way, but I am sooooo sad! I feel as if I am less that desirable. I feel that he does not love me anymore. I lay there feeling terribly sorry for myself.

I know that the text book answer is to know our master’s will done is his pleasure, and that we should be content to obey and happy in that we are shown how, even if it is curled at his feet rather than in his arms.

I am not a text book. I am a girl with feelings that get easily hurt. Am I alone here?

any advise? -

*pouting today...


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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 11:29:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		greetings, edana.

my advice would be to be glad you have a Master who owns you and allows you to sleep near him at all. you are far luckier than many in that aspect.

with that said, if i were used to sleeping in arms instead of at feet, i would likely have an initial reaction of hurt feelings... but then remind myself that he values me enough to keep me at his feet instead of banishing me from his house... and in that be glad.

it's all a matter of perspective.

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 11:31:19 AM   
miticantenslaved


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Status: offline 		miti greets you with a soft smile, edana...and whispers, *you are not alone in your feelings*

miti feels deeply, as well. this is a very good question you have posed. i do believe it is possible to spoil a slave. miti at times, feels incredibly spoiled. when the spoiling ends, she pouts as well...~smiles~

truly, it is up to the Master to decide whether His property is spoiled. what one Master might percieve as being a terribly spoiled slave....another may percieve her/him as being loved and cared for.

tis a matter of perception....

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 11:32:52 AM   
wolffeathers


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Status: offline 		Yes, it is possible to spoil a slave, same as it is possible to spoil a dog.

I spoil mine.

Because she rarely does anything that needs punishing.

And, well, I enjoy the spoiling more then the punishing.

However, there is a fine line between spoiled, and spoiled rotten.

I do not spoil my slave to the point that she gets away with anything.

She does something wrong, she is punished for it.

Period.

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 11:39:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can spil anything, and often that is a good thing. i say like a frind of my family said aboute dogs, they should be a bit spoiled.

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 11:45:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: edana
I am a girl with feelings that get easily hurt. Am I alone here?

any advise? -

*pouting today...


Of course you aren't alone. But it does confuse me. Supposedly that sort of thing is EXACTLY what you want, yes?

Unless you're being put at the foot of the bed as a punishment, I would consider your reaction a bit over the top. You aren't being rejected, you aren't being denied, you aren't even being made very uncomfortable.

I'm not trying to minimize your feelings here, but I assume you posted because you want to learn how to move beyond the experience and maintain your calm as a slave. Next time he tells you to do that, try reminding yourself that it's just where youa re to be, and get yourself into the objectified headspace of someone who is owned property. You talk so often how proud you are to be of service, try and transform this into that.

Might not happen, but at least you can keep yourself calm.


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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 11:55:19 AM   
millisande


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Status: offline 		deleted, with apologies to LA for what was said. i was way out of line, and disgraced both myself and Master with this comment. please forgive.

Respectfully,
adrianne

< Message edited by millisande -- 1/4/2006 12:04:23 PM >

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 12:01:01 PM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		we slaves have to be tenderhearted or we would not love Masters as slaves should.

sometimes knowing we have been displeasing is not enough for a girl.

when a Master cares as a Master should, he corrects the behavior that is offensive so that a girl can learn a valuable lesson,and not repeat the behavior.

that is Masters love in itself.

this girl is very spoiled by Master and even when she knows she has angered him(b/c her feelings get hurt and her cycle of the moon makes her mouthy to him),he still finds compassion in his heart to let her know she is of value to him or she would not be in his life.

granted sleeping at the bottom of the bed sux but Master didn't send you out of the room,he still wanted his girl near him.

a girl can give no advice other than to find the lesson Master wished for you to learn and put a smile on your face instead of a frown(its only 14 muscles to smile,72 to frown)(so no wrinkle worries)

and feel your blessings in having a Master that cares

(((2U)))

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 12:03:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wolffeathers

Because she rarely does anything that needs punishing.


And, in the time between these two posts, she gets more punishments then in the time I've owned her.......ironic how that happens

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 12:46:56 PM   
edana


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Status: offline 		i want to thank everyone for thier kind words, and advise.

I was not trying to say my life is awful, on the contrary i am happy to be a slave to my master, most of you know this very well . I am simply not perfect. there are some things that "hurt" me more than other things. like a few people said here it is a matter of perspective.

I have many issues, as do all people, one of those is a deep sense of fear of loss. I have nightmares because of it, keeping me close to his heart has been a way for my master to actively instill in me a sense of comfort and belonging. I still wake up at times in the middle of a bad dream, but he is there to immediatly calm me, telling me it is "OK".

Again, i didnt mean to sound ungrateful of my place, he is my life and my love. I just often feel that fear creeping in when i am set away from him.

I am only sharing a piece of my life.



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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 1:04:58 PM   
Wildfleurs


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quote:

ORIGINAL: edana

Can you spoil a slave? I guess you can create associations to specific actions in her mind such that if that action changes she might associate it with displeasure, or punishment.

My master has slept me in the bed with him since he has taken me. I love being in his arms! I feel safe, and secure… warm and cozy… I am a cuddler, and derive so much happiness from being there. I know my master well enough to know that he receives pleasure from having me there, else he would not hesitate to sleep me elsewhere.

Upon occasion he will order me to the foot of the bed, when he does I am beyond hysterical. And never fail to sob myself to sleep. I hate that I feel that way, but I am sooooo sad! I feel as if I am less that desirable. I feel that he does not love me anymore. I lay there feeling terribly sorry for myself.

I know that the text book answer is to know our master’s will done is his pleasure, and that we should be content to obey and happy in that we are shown how, even if it is curled at his feet rather than in his arms.

I am not a text book. I am a girl with feelings that get easily hurt. Am I alone here?

any advise? -

*pouting today...



I'm not clear if you are posting this because you are looking for techniques to well... not become so hysterical or to find out if you aren't alone in your reactions.

If you are looking for suggestions on how to curb your reactions I would suggest that you remind yourself that being in the same room with him is a privilege, I know plenty of slaves that have to stay in separate rooms. Personally I had to earn the privilege of sleeping in the bed with him (I started out on the floor), and if I cried just because I wasn't allowed to all that would do is piss him off and feel like he's being manipulated.

Insteaad of thinking about how much it sucks, it may be productive to think of 1) how lucky you are to be in the same room with him and to be able to listen touch him while he is sleeping 2) how unproductive and noisy you crying probably is.

If you weren't looking for suggestions on how to curb that behavior, feel free to disregard the above.

C~

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 1:09:35 PM   
edana


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quote:

Of course you aren't alone. But it does confuse me. Supposedly that sort of thing is EXACTLY what you want, yes?


*blinks*

to have my feelings hurt? no... not generally. i am one of those giggly, bouncy, cry when i dont get fed chocolate kind of slaves...

becasue my master tends to support these things i can only assume he finds me pleasing that way. i never just hop onto the bed and pull the covers over me...lol~ i'd be sporting a very pink bottom if i did. i do not take his allowances for granted, i am so very grateful every time he allows me there. (yes, even if it is night after night) i know i am only there due to his desire to have me there. (his desire being to hear the safe sigh of his girl feeling protected by a strong man).

thank you for your reply.

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 1:12:11 PM   
edana


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quote:

how unproductive and noisy you crying probably is.


thank you for your reply,

my comment is this. "unless he wants to hear you cry" again, each owner is different.

with tears comes understanding, release, and healing...

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 1:22:46 PM   
nephandi


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Status: offline 		edena, celecrate when you are sad, remember the more your life sucks the more you need to make you sad, so when theese things many would call minor make you sad, and it would me to, that means your life must be generaly good, then you can see how blessed you are. Master Leonidas must be a strong and caring man and you are lucky to have him, and i would say he is a bit lucky to have you to. i am glad you have a happy life. Celebrate the sadness, it is a prize, a proof of a good life.

Didi i make any sense at all? Or did i sound crasy?

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 1:46:19 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Edana, before i answer this.. in the way i have written, let me ask you.. does your Master indicate you need to change your behavior in your reaction to his moving you to his feet for a night?

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 2:10:41 PM   
edana


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Status: offline 		no, not in the least... *smiles*

my being upset does not upset him in return. i don't like feeling upset is all. but then again, who does.

i just spoke to him about it, and he said my reaction is (to him) the reaction of a slave. and yes i may be spoiled, but... i am spoiled to his liking.

it was a lesson, i am placed where he wishes me... my responce is just as important as my placement. i doubt my tears came as a disturbing shock to him (grins)


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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 2:17:21 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		okay the reason i asked lol was because below is what i had written and then thought it would not be a good answer if he kicked ya outta bed all together lol, but something told me based on what you said that he simply let you cry yourself to sleep. What i wrote was:

Well, i don't think you are alone.. i would believe most slaves would feel the same to have something they are use to and not only use to but find comfort, and you probably do see it as a privileged and therefore, if the norm changes.. of course you will feel unbalanced, unsure and scared on occassion and in all reality.. that is okay. I don't think i would see it as spoiled.. anything that is trained to have one thing and that one thing changes for whatever reason or duration... confusion in the mind will reign and your reaction is beating yourself up and crying yourself to sleep. Logically you see it as a wrong reaction... I mean why do you see this as wrong to be so emotional, you are an emotional woman, maybe its natural for you to feel like you are torn from your Master when he moves you from his arms to his feet? Logic and emotion don't usually go hand in hand.

I don't see it as being spoiled that your master keeps you close to him and in doing so he fulfills a need in you also.. just because you find pleasure in something from him doesn't mean he is spoiling you. Allowing a slave to have her needs filled in fulfilling his desires i don't see as spoiled.. it simply.. worked out that way. He simply likes you in his arms at night. When he send you to his feet, who knows what the reason is.. a slave will feel unbalanced at the change in rhythm of a routine, the self doubt and worry will creep in and you cry yourself to sleep. The next morning you get up.

i don't know if this is making sense.


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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 2:37:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		i believe we're "spoiled" when we stop being grateful for what we've been given.

so, as was already said, it's a matter of perspective. you should be grateful for being allowed in his bed at all. and, perhaps, extra grateful for the nights when he allows you in his arms.

i don't mean to oversimplify how you're feeling because ... trust me ... i get it. it can be very painful for an imprtant privledge to be taken away. but things like that do tend to keep a girl in her place. it's probably a good reminder for you that you are not in charge ... that his will takes precedence.

it may be painful but would you really rather not have those reminders?

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 2:38:39 PM   
edana


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Status: offline 		*smiles* i do love you! ....

thank you, yes it makes sense!

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RE: Spoiled rotten? - 1/4/2006 5:05:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		We all fell what we feel, but pain or yoy feelings are grate teathers, and are tools to learn.

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