opposingtwilight
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ORIGINAL: LarabysLair
Well Grace,
Please do me the honor of enlightening me on this world view of how every adult slave is a simpering child that needs strong male guidance to function in our so very harsh world. The fact that many of these are holding down jobs with pay and responsibilities that you and so many free women could only dream of handling, has not enetered you small world view, perhaps? And the core values that all are the same, all are weak, all are stupid, clumsy, foolish, and ignorant just doesn't jibe with my experience. I imagine it must be that I have met and become well acquainted with more subs and slaves than you imagine existed out in the real world. They really do cross the entire spectrum of everything human. Many - dare I say most - submit themselves not because they have no other way to live, but because they wish to. This is Earth. It's all consentual here. The female senses a desire, she finds a Man worthy of her submission, he collars and trains her. She does not lose all her marbles in the transition to owned. She remains the same in intellect, wit, style, class, flair, creativity, and so forth. She gains perhaps in beauty and obedience. Nothing more is important.
Oh, and I would appreciate reading your full thoughts on Master morality vs slave morality.
Warmest regards,
LL
A submissive is not a slave, for one thing, LL. The terms are not interchangable.
In the context that Grace (and others here) have spoken of, a woman did not choose to be a slave. She simply is. Its part of her makeup, her morality. Hence the part about how slaves are not self-determining. You cannot determine to be a slave. I don't think she ever said that slaves were children. Her point was that women who are slaves cannot thrive without the influence of a master. They can survive, sure. The survival instinct is pretty strong. Lots of slaves have commented that while they did not expect a place on the boats, they would do whatever it took to survive.
Here's my take on it: a woman who is submissive but not a slave can thrive without the influence of a master in her life. She won't just do whatever it takes to survive. She'll do whatever it takes to thrive. A woman who is a slave might try to do those things but for whatever reason she will come up against opposition again and again and again until she is fortunate enough to find a master to take the reigns and put things into place for her. That doesn't make her a simpering, ignorant child. It just makes her a slave.
This is kind of a thread jack though so if you'd like to discuss it further, I would suggest either starting your own thread or taking it to private discussion.
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