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What is ishy? - 1/24/2009 8:37:03 AM

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Rather than to continue to hijack Leonidas’ thread I thought I’d create this one, it somewhat falls in line with my “Am I a Gorean thread”. I hope this one is better understood on the whole. I’ll use ishy as an example and reason for this post. Some of you will get what I’m discussing other’s not so much. It’s not as much about comprehension of the subject matter as it is willingness to accept certain perspectives within a societal paradigm.

Ever here the ole’ adage that she is the kind of girl you bring home to meet the parents. Well that’s not ishy; ishy is a slut (but not only that) and loves that part of herself. She isn’t or at least wasn’t always sure what to do with that side of herself but none the less it is part of her. She has little to no idea how to raise a son to be a free and independent man, she is willing to exchange her freedom and independence for slavery, not something many parents even on Earth are openly in favor of.

I suspect within the Gorean analogy of what kind of girl you bring home to meet the parents we would find the Gorean free woman. The Gorean free woman is the reserved and dignified bearer of the next generation of free sons. No Gorean grandmother or grandfather dreams of bouncing baby grandslaves on their knee one day. Hence ishy is not intended to bear the fruit of my loin that was Natalie’s job. I didn’t always understand this and I suspect many have yet to conceive this notion.

You see we have by the example of my definition these very same female character types in our own culture, we simply choose to either insist all become the take home to meet the parent types or we attempt to discourage the little slut types by employing concepts of guilt and shame on their very natures. In a sense try and humiliate them into being something they are not in order to preserve some morbid concept of what is good that has been enforced by the so called righteous.

You see the Gorean attitude is that this girl exists for a reason and that her nature should not be denied but rather embraced. I’m a man, some might even say I’m too Gorean for my own good at times. I’ve actually had friends turn on me do to my seemingly outrageous convictions. That being said I think it should be reported that in my heart I believe that it was God/natures greatest work of art when he created woman. Her smooth flesh, her sweet scent, the loving way she does every little thing to make a mean ole ogre smile; the way she swooshes her hair back away from her face even when she is dripping wet with sweat as she labors seemingly unappreciated; Her smooth and supple curves that inspire a monstrous degree of lust within the heart of the beast she was designed to support; her eyes that plead to be loved in a way that she has no concept of understanding she only knows that her place is in his favor.

Gorean men love the female creature of their species, this love is however not the same brand of love that she herself feels for him. Men like Tim and Kirata in my opinion are true romantics and feel that these concepts of love are not only important, but are actually engrained into the very fabric of our humanity; they’re right. But they might not view love the same way I do, therefore their concept of love might be a more emotional charged variation, of this I can’t be sure but watching their interactions with females and listening to their conversational context this has given way to the formation of my opinion in the regard. I don’t believe that love is a one size fits all brand of emotion. Take ishy, her love for me is unconditional; and all the same I suspect that Natalie’s is unconditional as well. It just comes from different emotional perspectives. In any event I don’t believe what their understanding of love is runs concurrent with mine. Not that mine is conditional or that either one would be a better brand of love than the other, but men think and feel differently than women, I would suspect that my brand of love is more of a practical nature and not so much emotionally driven (I often wonder if it is this emotionally charged love that inspires the adage that “love is fickle”). But, in that sense the type of love I feel for a free companion will be different than the brand of love I’d feel for the kajira or mastered female. This kind of leads us back to Leonidas’ thread as to why it would be more important for the Gorean to save the free women and not have as much regard toward the slave girl. But I agree from the bottom of my ogre like heart that not holding the position of Captain and having to uphold the duties of said position I would certainly want to save Natalie and ishy, as well as myself. Again, “Bob!!! Get those tools of yours we have building to do!!!!!”
I added much of the above to help some of you understand perspective. You see ishy is not as it was phrased a failure (her way of explaining things sometimes gets lost in the Dutch to English translation, I’m not sure how many strokes of the whip she has gotten simply by miscommunication of her thoughts but I’m sure that not many girls would have survived all those strokes)in fact I have unknowingly to her tested her countless times to be sure that she was being true to herself and that her nature was true. My two priority conditions for her to belong to me were no debt and no regret. That doesn’t simply mean financial debt or loss or personal freedoms regret, it has very deep meaning and I wanted her to be sure she knew what she was getting into. I suspect that a girl on Gor would have known, this was real part of their lives and not simply some romantic and sexual short term fantasy.

I looked at ishy on the whole; she needs my guide so I have to be responsible and not simply selfish in my summarization of her as an individual. I can’t see a hot slut wanting to be a play toy and in a moment of uncontrollable lust wheel her off and brainwash her into be a slave. Hell I actually have had very limited sexual interaction with her, at least to the degree I want to simply to be sure she is actually wanting more than sex and fantasy.

This being the case I asked questions indirectly, often discuss hypothetical things to see where she is mentally and make sure she isn’t trying to fool me or herself. Hey I’m not perfect and might get things wrong sometimes so I seldom examine the same area only once. I even test emotional responses that ishy might have had when I interact with others females in common forum. I certainly test the depths of her devotion in order to see what she feels when the work is hard and offwers her little in the way of pleasurable return. I WANT TO KNOW IF SHE IS REALLY WHAT SHE CLAIMS. In that I leave no stone unturned, at least to the best of my ability.

For you see I believe the vast majority of females are best suited to be held or partnered with as free companions, most want to have babies and be mommies and snuggle and have opinions and strive to be their own person, much like a Gorean would expect a free person to behave. I also believe that most men in their interpersonal relationships seek the free companion type, a Gorean oriented man will want a rather submissive female, but all the same I believe it is most often the free companion he seeks, a partner and trusted confidant. I believe that men are also driven to master a female at times and that is why Gorean paga dens and Nevada Ranches are so popular for many. But on the whole many men I watch have no real inclination to put up with the slave girl 24/7, 365 days a year.

Using our friend as an example again, it seems Tim tends to have female turmoil and has had these issues right in front of us. Now I’m certainly not privy to the in-depth reasoning for his troubles but I am left to ponder on the things I see and the idea has crossed my mind that if he spent less time trying to find that perfect slave and simply sought his perfect woman perhaps he might have found that elusive creature he quite readily desires.

A note to all men: our women, our wives, our companions, our slaves, these sweet smelling allies and advisories are what we make them. It is only our courage, convictions and fortitude that separate us from success or failure. It is a man’s world, equality is a perverse illusion and the longer we try and force the square pegs into the round holes the more confused things become. Be accountable, responsible and accept your fate as bearers of the penis. (The proceeding comment was meant to garner the interest of the FemDoms of our little world, ~smiles all pretty like~)

Again back to ishy; she, after serious conversation had demonstrated to me that whenever she was left to her own convictions she would almost always chose a path more destructive than not. She wasn’t driven to succeed as an independent thinker. She needed leadership and guidance more so than others. She is actually what I see as the natural “slave”( I have actually grown to dislike the term slave along with all of its negative connotation, I prefer the words mastered woman). Ishy is miserable when left alone, she quit school at 14 to be a party girl, she preferred being stoned to sober; her job choice almost always involved sexual interaction and she was for all intense purposes on a course of destruction.

Most of her life before becoming mine she had eagerly antagonized men in a subconscious attempt to get them to master her and take charge of her, a fact she discovered on her own by the way. She frequented places where in her mind the chance was better a man might take her and master her.

Her father tried to raise her to be her own woman; he obviously loved his daughter and wanted her to be a shining example of his ability to be a father. He wanted to inspire greatness and independence as he would have with a son, he let her choose on her own over and over and she more frequently as she aged chose wrong until she rebelled from his lack of authority all together and tried to find someone that in her heart she felt cared enough about her to make her behave.

She was with another man not that long ago that in my deduction is a rather good man but he wanted a partner and refused to master her absolutely so she pushed him to points beyond his will to refrain from knocking the shit out of her. I suspect had he mastered her and not loved her with emotion, he might have her yet today, I really believe she still loves him in many ways. But ishy is not a girl intended to be free to choose. She feels neglected and unloved when she is left to be her own person. She desperately needs a symbiotic host of sorts. That isn’t wrong, it is simply who the natural slave is. To deny her the needs she maintains is not only wrong but humanly immoral.

So you see I didn't brainwash or convince ishy she was a slave at heart I simply accepted the fact and did not attempt to make her something she is not. She is now thrilled with herself excelling at everything she does, not just around me but everything she does, she is highly valued at her job, she is being trained ahead of others on her company’s newest research equipment . Her mother, who at one point absolutely hated everything about me, now says I’ve been great for her and wants to come visit me. I wonder if that was ever a case on the planet Gor. She works hard at even the smallest details in her life and even has a deeper love and appreciation for herself.

So for those out there that think a girl grows out of this slave nature I think you better think again, and stop trying to assert your brand of reasoning to everyone. No one has the perfect answer, but some have the perfect question. Who am I?

Note this thread/post is actually about free women and slave girls, free men and how to deal with our mutual interaction.. It is not actually about ishy in a personal nature, she was simply the real life subject that brings credibility to the example. So as we further this discussion make it about the subject matter and not my subject matter. This seems to be the crux of what is always discussed on this site so let’s get to the meat and potatoes of the matter and perhaps we can create a reference piece for future use. Remember this is a discussion and not a comparison of what is right and wrong. My comments are simply opinions as should yours be.

< Message edited by xBullx -- 1/24/2009 9:10:25 AM >

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