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RE: All women are slaves - 2/2/2006 3:26:30 PM   
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Well this was given to me by adriusstone as a place to look for the fundamentals of gor.

Actually, this is incorrect. You threw this stuff from this luther person, at me back on 1/31 in your thread on Ask a Mistress forum, that you put up to appearently to bash Goreans.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_255269/mpage_3/tm.htm#258087

Adriusstone doesn't give you this to read until 2/2 in the thread you posted here in the Gorean forum.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_257587/mpage_1/tm.htm#258327

So, you're lying realone.

And I might add that in your post on ask a mistress you were talking like luther "is" your difinitive source on Gor and that what I was saying as a "watered down earth version" as you put it.


well if this is representative of gor justice then i guess i can be thankful that i am not a female slave to a gor master.

you see i have known about luther for a long time, and nowhere in my post did i say that the first time i ever knew of luther was the adrius post.

the fact of the matter i was 100% truthful in saying that adrius gave me that link because he did where is the lie in that? you can see that he did in the other thread.

this shows that i am not lying, and also shows us things about you. lastly if luther was my definitive source what possible reason would i have to post any questions here?

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/2/2006 4:32:55 PM   
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Despite women outnumbering men in America, I can't remember the last time I saw a romance novel on the NY Bestsellers list.
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#9 on the Current Paperback Non-Fiction NY Times Best Seller's List

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/2/2006 5:25:38 PM   
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Despite women outnumbering men in America, I can't remember the last time I saw a romance novel on the NY Bestsellers list.
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My mistake. That would be 1 out of 35 books on the list - not remotely a majority.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/2/2006 5:36:22 PM   
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My mistake. That would be 1 out of 35 books on the list - not remotely a majority.

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Well if the point I was trying to make was that romance novels sell more than any other form of literature, that comment might somehow be at all relavent. It wasn't, however, therefore it isn't. My point was that novels geared toward a specific market (women) tend to contain the same general theme over and over again, and sell very well. So there must be something in this "she hates him for threatening her independence yet wants him eventually surrenders and ends up very happy" theme that appeals.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/2/2006 9:01:55 PM   
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i would like to know who "is" the difinitive source that i can quote? i keep getting run around in circles here!


Greetings RealOne,

I am sorry if you feel you have gotten a run around on this subject. Had I actually seen a posting asking about where you can find a difinitive source of information which to quote, I assure you I would have answered tha question.

The only difinitive source of information on the subject can be found within the hearts and souls of the characters portrayed in the books. The only way to be able to answer the questions you are posing, is to read the hearts and souls of the chacters contained within the books. However please note, that the words on the pages, are not the source any more then some website is. The only true place to find gor, and what gorean philosphy is, is by reading those characters lives.

I hope I have helped you find the answers you seek. Truely I do. However borrowing the philosphy of someone elses interpretation, is not going to bring you an answer. Have you ever heard anyone say the only way to find God is to look at the hearts and souls of men? Well in the same respect you can only find Gor looking in the hearts and souls of those portrayed within the books.



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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 8:45:15 AM   
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Well if the point I was trying to make was that romance novels sell more than any other form of literature, that comment might somehow be at all relavent. It wasn't, however, therefore it isn't. My point was that novels geared toward a specific market (women) tend to contain the same general theme over and over again, and sell very well. So there must be something in this "she hates him for threatening her independence yet wants him eventually surrenders and ends up very happy" theme that appeals.


Except that since women are the majority in America (numerically - by a raw head count by the 2000 Census) then if these kinds of books actually appealed to even a majority of women then you'd see more of them on the bestsellers list (your original post says that the number of shelves devoted to romance books shows what the majority of women fantasize about).

I believe that romance novels appeal to some women (and men), but I don't believe that they appeal to the majority. Otherwise the sales figures would be quite a bit higher.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 9:28:05 AM   
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i would like to know who "is" the difinitive source that i can quote? i keep getting run around in circles here!


The only difinitive source of information on the subject can be found within the hearts and souls of the characters portrayed in the books. The only way to be able to answer the questions you are posing, is to read the hearts and souls of the chacters contained within the books. However please note, that the words on the pages, are not the source any more then some website is. The only true place to find gor, and what gorean philosphy is, is by reading those characters lives.
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Thanks for trying and respectfully that is a cop out.

Do you presume i am smart enough to know what is in the hearts and souls of the gor characters? Do you presume that you are? All we have to judge this by is their actions. remember mom saying actions speak louder than words?

Whats in the hearts and souls of any thing can certainly be put into words, if not in english language which lacks somewhat in the romantics but surely in one of the arabic languages which can easily desrcibe virtually any imaginable emotion thought and feeling.

What you have said brings me right back to where i started "read the books". So now after reading the books, i can come to this group and say kool since it is legal on gor i think i will kill my slave today and since this is without question within gor law this definitively portrays exactly what is in their hearts so it shall me in mine! After all it is LEGAL!

Then you will tell me that i am insane and i cannot take the books so literally!

i am supposed to translate every intimate detail of a set of novels that was never intended for anyone to base a society on in th efirst place, any more then klingon's and in the end correctly decide what all the absudities are and then convert them all to how it applies here on earth in a manner that you will somehow agree with me on any level?

in the end and at best, create a so named gor lifestyle here on earth that in reality is nearly impossible to differentiate from any one of the other highly ritualistic m/s relationships because in the end you are forced to live in a civilized society that will throw your butts in jail if you murder your slave making your gor law null and void!

Not only me but every individual must do the same.

This is a cute merry go round that you gor people like to play and i dont play on merry go rounds.

It is not suprising to me that there is not a definitive source as there are no 2 of you that think alike on the subject. yet gor is supposed to be this perfect social order!

Churches have leaders to keep everyone on the same page.

What you are telling me here is that gor is totally indvidual with everyone going any hap hazzard way that turns their crank, yet gor is supposed to be somehow better or some kind of more refined and natural society?

i think not. not if the best you can do it to tell everyone simply to read and get whatever they please out it.

Thats not leadership, thats not a society, thats anarchy my friend, not social order.

Main Entry: an·ar·chy
Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-kE, -"när-
Function: noun
Etymology: Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler -- more at ARCH-
1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : DISORDER <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature -- Israel Shenker>
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Note the similarities.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 10:38:28 AM   
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Do you read the bible and think people take it literally? I can say I went to a cathlic school and the answer is, not hardly. We had religious discussions about many of the impossabilities which were written in the bible. Take fo r example the story of adam and eve. God creates adam and eve, who have 2 sons cain and able. Cain kills able. God sends him out into the cities. What cities? If I am to take everything written so literally where did these cities come from? And why is it the name adam means first man and eve means mother of all (yes many websites have this WRONG)?

The truth is they are stories to portray mans existance. But existance can't be so bland, so a story is made to portray a level of emotion that goes into the thoughts of how we came to be. Just as the bible wasn't meant to be taken so literally, neither was the Chronicles of gor when applying it to a real world stance.

And lets take a step back from christianity. Go do some research and find out who is the head in charge person keeping all druids on the same page. Or is druidism also an anarchist religion? How about Wicca? Or Witchcraft? Or Shamanism? Or any number of religions? Are all these to be deemed a means to anarchy?

And finally, where did you get the idea gor is supposed to be anything? much less anything perfect? Who said gor was the perfect social order, or that it is supposed to be a "somehow better or some kind of more refined and natural society"? There is nothing perfect when mankind is involved. Not one thing. Many, if not most, Americans believe that democracy is the most perfect way of society that has existed, mind you though that its the most perfect not the end all perfection that makes evrything else obsolete. There are plenty of arab nations that would not agree democracy is the right way. Are they wrong? Depends on who you ask.

Every last detail can be up for debate, the fact is as many have said on this board already, either you get it or you don't. Obviously you don't as you want us to help you get it. I would suggest moving on to something you do get. Sitting here and trying to get us to debate these topics with you all day long is not going to change your stance nor is it going to change ours. All you are going to do is start a flame war causing us to get into debates were we are not debating anything, mearly trying to defend our beliefs.



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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 11:39:51 AM   
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One should form their own opinions and speculations based on what they read, not based on what another person has read and interpretted for them.


That ABD is like telling Christians that their going to church and listening to the preacher is just as wrong and they should only read the book of their beliefs in order to have an opinion. That just not gonna happen in the real world nor on Gor nor with people who are outside looking into the Gorean World.

I see realone as one of those persons who walked in off the street and sad down in the church and listened to the preacher preach that day and took away a sermon of a preacher and that preaching started realone on a journey to discover more of what he heard..... neither the messenger nor the opinionator nor the books are wrong or right just a part of the whole. life is like that..........
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All women are slaves

And to reenerate, Nope They are not.......


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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 12:30:48 PM   
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What you have said brings me right back to where i started "read the books". So now after reading the books, i can come to this group and say kool since it is legal on gor i think i will kill my slave today and since this is without question within gor law this definitively portrays exactly what is in their hearts so it shall me in mine! After all it is LEGAL!

To this, I would say that such as an immigrant, from another country, can come and practice their lifestyle as long as it's within the law of the land, so can you do this. Since most countries in the world have made this illegal, you can not do it.

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i am supposed to translate every intimate detail of a set of novels that was never intended for anyone to base a society on in th efirst place, any more then klingon's and in the end correctly decide what all the absudities are and then convert them all to how it applies here on earth in a manner that you will somehow agree with me on any level?

You can if you like but like the christians you to bring up in other posts, that would take decades of study and most don't even try. They do a cursory read thru to find what it is they are looking for and interprete it for themselves. After all, not all priests of any one church reads it all the same way. They interprete the meaning of the stories.

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in the end and at best, create a so named gor lifestyle here on earth that in reality is nearly impossible to differentiate from any one of the other highly ritualistic m/s relationships because in the end you are forced to live in a civilized society that will throw your butts in jail if you murder your slave making your gor law null and void!

As far as I've seen, you are the only person stating that this is something you should be able to do. Now, you don't have to live in a civilized society. I'm sure there is someplaces in the world where the only law is what you make up. the large expanse of unsettled forrests of Russia for example, jungles of South America, the deserts of the world maybe.

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It is not suprising to me that there is not a definitive source as there are no 2 of you that think alike on the subject.

There are most likely groups that think alike in how they interprete the books. This may not be one of them but then again, this forum wasn't created for that.

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yet gor is supposed to be this perfect social order!

Again, this is only something that you are stating, most others I've seen say that it is prefect for them but not for others.

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Churches have leaders to keep everyone on the same page.

What you are telling me here is that gor is totally indvidual with everyone going any hap hazzard way that turns their crank, yet gor is supposed to be somehow better or some kind of more refined and natural society?

i think not. not if the best you can do it to tell everyone simply to read and get whatever they please out it.

Thats not leadership, thats not a society, thats anarchy my friend, not social order.

Much of what you say applies to a lot of things. Including BDSM. Yet you're not in the general forum or anyother promoting such things. What is it that you have to say, exactly? Why is that Goreans and Gor seem to make you argumentative at best? No one is forcing you to partake in this forum OR the ideals these people have. And yet you feel it is your cause to debase it.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 12:42:32 PM   
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I would say to you, the leader would be the author of the books. For what he puts in his newest books, people portray in real life and he keeps us all on relatively the same page through his writings (the books). However some of your analogies are a bit twisted if i may say so. You speak to me as though the chronicles of gor set forth word which becomes law. This is not the case. Again I would say, don't take the words so litterally.
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i think i want to add that he is a leader of nothing. he is the creator of fiction. no different than the klingons!

The point is, the klingons and the christians can at "least" explain themselves in the lowest common denominator of what it all stands for and gor cant tell me anything about what gor stands for other than you have a d*ck and because you are stronger you rule the world, no real philisophy here other than a big d*ck contest or who can p*ss the highest. the fact is that most of the buzz words that i have been hearing are no different in society as it stands. honor honesty integrity, patriotism, like come on already.

if you arent aware women can pull a trigger just as well as you can and in my family most likely much better than you can. if gor was real and came knocking at the door of my mothers or sisters they be going back to gor in body bags and their balls hanging on the trees.

i know i am taking it all to literally and that is just a fantasy too! as well as being a barbarian and a saveage and all the other more refined and civilized aspects of gor.

christains have leaders who direct people in the meanings of the bible and gor has lange who has yet to direct anything that i am aware of. There is a big difference between the bible and gor in that the bible is not a work of fiction, gor is.

The problem is that when any subject can only be acted upon in ones imagination it is only a fantasy. where do you plan on being a barbarian in the us of a? enough of that and they will haul you away too.

as far as wicca etc, well they are nto trying to rule the world based on whose c*ck or p*ssy is biggest as gor would like to do.

the gor i have seen so far on this site and how to learn about gor is anarchy and until you can show my something with substance i will continue to maintain my position.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 3:54:35 PM   
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as far as wicca etc, well they are nto trying to rule the world based on whose c*ck or p*ssy is
biggest as gor would like to do.


Gor has nothing to do with M/s again I say this. A vast majority are activily seeking a slave, and if they are seeking and still gorean, then obviously its not about slavery.

To my knowledge wicca etc. is not trying to rule the world by any means, neither is Gorean philosphy. If it were, you wouldn't see so many suggest to so many others, they don't have what it takes to be gorean.

You think its about whose c*ck and/or p*ssy is biggest, i say its about natural order and natural selection as it were intended to be. The fact you can't see past the M/s aspect of it is your issue not mine.

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I see realone as one of those persons who walked in off the street and sad down in the church and listened to the preacher preach that day and took away a sermon of a preacher and that preaching started realone on a journey to discover more of what he heard.


Originally I would have agreed with you on this GingerleeDREAD however the more of his posts I read, the less I see things this way. If after hearing a sermon you want to know more about a religion, and the preacher suggests you listen to sermons of others and read some of the bible and you are insistant that every sermon you hear doesn't have the same viewpoint as the one before it, therefore it is a false religion, those who practice that religion will tend to stop being helpful and start getting defensive about their way of life.

I suggest you follow the postings of RealOne and see just how offensive he has gotten in some of his other postings. He is insistant that unless someone defines for him a list, that gor is nothing more then anarchy. He is clear in that he believes there is honor in joining the military but gor is joke. He is iclear he believes the only way a gorean can get in touch with there warrior self is to join the US MILITARY and fight in IRAQ.

I started out responding to RealOnes postings with a much lighter tone then I have gotten the last few postings. At first I believed he was seeking knowledge. Now I truely believe he is here to use logic to explain why gor is fake and will not take any other stance on the matter. For this reason, I stand by what I have told him, its time to move on to something he does get.

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And to reenerate, Nope They are not.......


Again I would say, in my life experience, you are incorrect in this statement as I have never had a slave who started out as a slave and/or a submissive. All were women who had never even heard of bdsm gor or M/s. All are women who would have stood strong in there stance that they were never going to be a slave (concentuall or otherwise). All were women who became slaves. Yes it is my firm belief any woman can be mastered and forced to submit completely and totally, not any man has what it takes to be that master.



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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 5:44:45 PM   
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realone you do seem to have a knack for missing the part of the underlying philosophy of honor, integrity, loyalty.
this is earth in the twentieth century.so some things(as i stated before, are impossible to take literal.)quoting luthers 'perceptions' means nothing.
and in all honesty...
one can be a Master and no doubt quite effectively without having the largest peice of equipment.
Mastery is mental not physical.
seems to me you are hellbent on arguing, if you dont get it or want to bother, why are you here?

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ORIGINAL: MasterABD

I would say to you, the leader would be the author of the books. For what he puts in his newest books, people portray in real life and he keeps us all on relatively the same page through his writings (the books). However some of your analogies are a bit twisted if i may say so. You speak to me as though the chronicles of gor set forth word which becomes law. This is not the case. Again I would say, don't take the words so litterally.
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i think i want to add that he is a leader of nothing. he is the creator of fiction. no different than the klingons!

The point is, the klingons and the christians can at "least" explain themselves in the lowest common denominator of what it all stands for and gor cant tell me anything about what gor stands for other than you have a d*ck and because you are stronger you rule the world, no real philisophy here other than a big d*ck contest or who can p*ss the highest. the fact is that most of the buzz words that i have been hearing are no different in society as it stands. honor honesty integrity, patriotism, like come on already.

if you arent aware women can pull a trigger just as well as you can and in my family most likely much better than you can. if gor was real and came knocking at the door of my mothers or sisters they be going back to gor in body bags and their balls hanging on the trees.

i know i am taking it all to literally and that is just a fantasy too! as well as being a barbarian and a saveage and all the other more refined and civilized aspects of gor.

christains have leaders who direct people in the meanings of the bible and gor has lange who has yet to direct anything that i am aware of. There is a big difference between the bible and gor in that the bible is not a work of fiction, gor is.

The problem is that when any subject can only be acted upon in ones imagination it is only a fantasy. where do you plan on being a barbarian in the us of a? enough of that and they will haul you away too.

as far as wicca etc, well they are nto trying to rule the world based on whose c*ck or p*ssy is biggest as gor would like to do.

the gor i have seen so far on this site and how to learn about gor is anarchy and until you can show my something with substance i will continue to maintain my position.



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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 6:23:20 PM   
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Gor has nothing to do with M/s again I say this. A vast majority are activily seeking a slave, and if they are seeking and still gorean, then obviously its not about slavery.


oh yeh of course it not about slavery. everyone knows its really about rock collecting when a gorean seeks a slave. obviously nothing what so ever to do with slavery. i think i am beginning to understand now!

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You think its about whose c*ck and/or p*ssy is biggest, i say its about natural order and natural selection as it were intended to be. The fact you can't see past the M/s aspect of it is your issue not mine.


intended to be by whom? you? some higher power? an article in a magazine that could well be proven incorrect in the coming years?

the natural order? what natural order? you mean bare hands naked skin on skin natural order? you cant mean natural order of the 20th century in which like it or not we all live in. the natural order of things gave us guns and women have guns now days and they know how to use them, the natural order that you tout has been out of existance since the invention of the gun, women and men have been equalized a long time ago. ponder that thought

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Originally I would have agreed with you on this GingerleeDREAD however the more of his posts I read, the less I see things this way. If after hearing a sermon you want to know more about a religion, and the preacher suggests you listen to sermons of others and read some of the bible and you are insistant that every sermon you hear doesn't have the same viewpoint as the one before it, therefore it is a false religion, those who practice that religion will tend to stop being helpful and start getting defensive about their way of life.


what kind of nonsense is that? i have talked to several preachers arguing a given point even from different christain religions and they may have taken different paths but it always came to the same point. Everyone knows preachers work of the same script to get across a certain point. and in the more fundamental aspects you will have most of them come to the same point. unlike gor who has no point other than to point to a fantasy book of fiction .

secondly, unlike here, ask the priest or minister questions and they give you answers that have substance! all i get here is smoke and mirrors and you evading and ducking every question i ask. especially the preacher example that couldnt be farther from correct.

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I suggest you follow the postings of RealOne and see just how offensive he has gotten in some of his other postings. He is insistant that unless someone defines for him a list, that gor is nothing more then anarchy. He is clear in that he believes there is honor in joining the military but gor is joke. He is iclear he believes the only way a gorean can get in touch with there warrior self is to join the US MILITARY and fight in IRAQ.


Hey i am sorry if you feel that is offensive. i feel your evasiveness, smoke and mirror approach clearly shows that you have nothing to stand on, at least as far as structure is concerned.

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ORIGINAL: MasterABD
I started out responding to RealOnes postings with a much lighter tone then I have gotten the last few postings. At first I believed he was seeking knowledge. Now I truely believe he is here to use logic to explain why gor is fake and will not take any other stance on the matter. For this reason, I stand by what I have told him, its time to move on to something he does get.


i was speaking on a much lighter note too, at least until i got the eternal runaround and continue to get the eternal runaround.

At first i was seaking knowledge and so far the goreans have taken me to dry well after dry well and sharing nothing really substantial.

Logic? you have to be joking. the greater majority of gor enthusiasts will scoff at everything to do with logic, no amount of logic can convince a person their religion is wrong. but you know what is kool about these little bouts is that even tho logic means nothing to you there are many non gor people who can identify with it and it makes perfect sense to any one who may be considering gor that the answers to their real life questions are to be answered by reading a work of fiction. or listening to someones personal rendition which will vary from all other renditions. since you bought into gor i think it would be easier to convince you with klingon.

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ORIGINAL: MasterABD
Again I would say, in my life experience, you are incorrect in this statement as I have never had a slave who started out as a slave and/or a submissive. All were women who had never even heard of bdsm gor or M/s. All are women who would have stood strong in there stance that they were never going to be a slave (concentuall or otherwise). All were women who became slaves. Yes it is my firm belief any woman can be mastered and forced to submit completely and totally, not any man has what it takes to be that master.
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ok kool i got it now, you are different because you are the same as literally every other dom out there.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 6:49:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
gor cant tell me anything about what gor stands for other than you have a d*ck and because you are stronger you rule the world, no real philisophy here other than a big d*ck contest or who can p*ss the highest. the fact is that most of the buzz words that i have been hearing are no different in society as it stands. honor honesty integrity, patriotism, like come on already.

Seems the true colors of this one are coming thru. I haven't seen any pissing or big dick contest as you say. Other then you coming here crossing your arms and pouting the way you are. And things like honor, honesty and your other "buzz' words are not prevalent in society as it stands. They used to be but now-a-days it's difficult to find people who will give there word and stick to that word or be honest. You are an example. You never came to learn. People who learn tend to close their mouths, watch and then ask questions. You came to inflame a crowd. You talk out of the side of your face, as they say.

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if you arent aware women can pull a trigger just as well as you can and in my family most likely much better than you can. if gor was real and came knocking at the door of my mothers or sisters they be going back to gor in body bags and their balls hanging on the trees.

Interesting. Has anyone threatened your family? I don't see it here. Yes, women can pull a trigger just as well as men. But do you really think Gor would knock on your families front door? No, I'm afraid not. Just as hunters tracking game, a woman or women would be stalked if they were worth taking as slaves. Because just as you put it, intelligence will over come strength, almost every time. You should check out this thread:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_188604/tm.htm
It's the thread on the pussification of the American male. You are showing some clear signs of it.

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There is a big difference between the bible and gor in that the bible is not a work of fiction, gor is.

Really? A story about a man that can raise the dead and turn water to wine and walk on water is real, huh? You can no more prove that the bible happened any more then you can prove their is any other intelligent life in the universe.

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The problem is that when any subject can only be acted upon in ones imagination it is only a fantasy.

I see what you're saying. Like going to heaven when you die. You can only imagine what heaven looks like so then, by your logic, it's a fantasy, not real.

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where do you plan on being a barbarian in the us of a? enough of that and they will haul you away too.


A man can act how ever he wants, within the confines of his own home, as long it is within the law. Just as it is with BDSM, as long it's not done where others can be offended, no one can say it can't be done.

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as far as wicca etc, well they are nto trying to rule the world based on whose c*ck or p*ssy is biggest as gor would like to do.

Neither is Gor or Goreans. You have this penchant for cock references. It would seem you might have a type of penis envy.

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the gor i have seen so far on this site and how to learn about gor is anarchy and until you can show my something with substance i will continue to maintain my position.

By all means, maintain your position. And Goreans shall maintain theirs, whether you like it or not. You came with demands and they showed you where to put them. I mean, you came with questions and they showed you where to find them, of course.


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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 7:01:47 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

my 02.
realone you do seem to have a knack for missing the part of the underlying philosophy of honor, integrity, loyalty.
this is earth in the twentieth century.so some things(as i stated before, are impossible to take literal.)quoting luthers 'perceptions' means nothing.
and in all honesty...
one can be a Master and no doubt quite effectively without having the largest peice of equipment.
Mastery is mental not physical.
seems to me you are hellbent on arguing, if you dont get it or want to bother, why are you here?


i think i have already said that what you call the underlying philosophy of honor, integrity, loyalty is the root of literally every culture and subcultures philosophies on earth. So its not unique to gor so possessing those qualities certainly does not differentiate one as gor. it can as easily make one muslim, christian, and a host of other religions that tout the same thing.

yes this is the twentieth century and i cant reconcile the gor fantasy with it and every time i try to get a straight annswer from someone who claims they can they take me to yet another dry well. and when that does not work its go read the fantasy book. yer on yer own buddy!

hey whos perceptions do? at least luther has the balls to stand on his own 2 feet and make a statement. nowhere in luthers work did i see; "hey if you want the answer you have to read the book" and that is the answer you get here. No one here has jewels here to commit to anything substantial!!

Real mastery is mental, sure, so then others outside of gor are not mental masters? again this is not unique to gor and virtually all other masters can do the same non gor alike.

What am i doing here? why isnt it obvious that i am trying to find what differentiates gor from any other highly ritualized M/s relationship or any other mental relationship or whatever for that matter that is claimed to be gor.

when i first came here as a result of one of mrd's posts i expected you all would pour on the differences, blam blam, sadly i have only to found everything buried in ambiguity.

so far i have found nothing substantial nothing that i can say ok here is the line between gor and nongor aside from self titleing, and i am taking note of the silence of those condsidered to be the most knowledgeable.


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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 7:39:03 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
Seems the true colors of this one are coming thru. I haven't seen any pissing or big dick contest as you say.


i have no idea what context you could mean this in but its not in the context that i used it in

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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
And things like honor, honesty and your other "buzz' words are not prevalent in society as it stands. They used to be but now-a-days it's difficult to find people who will give there word and stick to that word or be honest. You are an example. You never came to learn. People who learn tend to close their mouths, watch and then ask questions. You came to inflame a crowd. You talk out of the side of your face, as they say.


Oh now you just say all that to the men and women dying for this country around the world while you sit in front of the tv sucking a beer and see how long your teeth will stay in your mouth. More like you chose to close your eyes to the real heros for some armchair fantasy. i am really shocked to hear you say that there is no honor.

oh but i am learning much more than you can know, your problem as well as many others is that i am not learning what you want me to learn. i dont follow along like a nice little sheepy.

if my questions would have been treated with anything but evasion, pass the buck onto the fantasy books i would have said thank you and been gone a long time ago. you had th eoppoortunity to conclude this a longt time ago but everyone chose to play tug of war you just gave me something to bite into.

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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
Really? A story about a man that can raise the dead and turn water to wine and walk on water is real, huh? You can no more prove that the bible happened any more then you can prove their is any other intelligent life in the universe.
not real.

oh because you do not understand the romantic languages its all bullshit?
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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
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as far as wicca etc, well they are nto trying to rule the world based on whose c*ck or p*ssy is biggest as gor would like to do.
Neither is Gor or Goreans. You have this penchant for cock references. It would seem you might have a type of penis envy.


um no i am not gor but thanks anyway.
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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
By all means, maintain your position. And Goreans shall maintain theirs, whether you like it or not. You came with demands and they showed you where to put them. I mean, you came with questions and they showed you where to find them, of course.

well their position is read the fantasy come up with whatever rocks your cradle to apply it to the real world as long as you dont break the law, do what literally every other non gor dom male does and call yourself gor for doing it, be amiguous in your position and what you are about, and tell me what every culture has as it foundation you suddenly wake up and claim it as gor. that is th eposition i have seen so far from the people here.

i have to laugh, no one hesitates to tell me what gor isnt but no one can tell me what diferentiates gor from any one else.


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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 7:56:42 PM   
MasterABD


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Status: offline 		Okay RealOne because I have followed most of your posts and therefore I have little left to say to you. All I can say is read where the end of every single one of your posts on this site end up. Sooner or later every last one of your postings ends in someone pointing out how you have offended others. If we have in return offended you, great! If not, equally great! Either way, to continue is not winning you any friends here and whatever you are trying to accomplish here is a futile cause.



-ABitDifferent-
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RE: All women are slaves - 2/3/2006 9:12:30 PM   
MntnWolf


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
Seems the true colors of this one are coming thru. I haven't seen any pissing or big dick contest as you say.


i have no idea what context you could mean this in but its not in the context that i used it in
Well if you don't know what context I mean it in, how can you possibly know it's not the same as the one you mean it in?

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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
And things like honor, honesty and your other "buzz' words are not prevalent in society as it stands. They used to be but now-a-days it's difficult to find people who will give there word and stick to that word or be honest. You are an example. You never came to learn. People who learn tend to close their mouths, watch and then ask questions. You came to inflame a crowd. You talk out of the side of your face, as they say.


Oh now you just say all that to the men and women dying for this country around the world while you sit in front of the tv sucking a beer and see how long your teeth will stay in your mouth. More like you chose to close your eyes to the real heros for some armchair fantasy. i am really shocked to hear you say that there is no honor.
I have. And I earned this right to sit in my armchair, I served in the military. Have you? I stood shoulder to shoulder with others that have. Just because they wear a uniform doesn't mean they know honesty, integrity and honor. Joining the military doesn't give you these things, they are whats a part of you already. Besides that, we are talking about society as a whole, not just one part of it. Nice try to divert attention though.

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oh but i am learning much more than you can know, your problem as well as many others is that i am not learning what you want me to learn. i dont follow along like a nice little sheepy.
No, you're problem is that you don't really wish to learn what they are teaching. Namely patience, because there are no easy answers in this.

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if my questions would have been treated with anything but evasion, pass the buck onto the fantasy books i would have said thank you and been gone a long time ago. you had th eoppoortunity to conclude this a longt time ago but everyone chose to play tug of war you just gave me something to bite into.
If you actually came here with questions and posed them in a respectful manner you would've been met in kind. You'll notice that Arpigs thread was met much better then yours: http://www.collarchat.com/m_257842/tm.htm
This is because of how he came forward with it.

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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
Really? A story about a man that can raise the dead and turn water to wine and walk on water is real, huh? You can no more prove that the bible happened any more then you can prove their is any other intelligent life in the universe.
not real.

oh because you do not understand the romantic languages its all bullshit?
No, it's because it's a work of fiction and according to your logic, fiction does not a lifestyle make.

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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
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as far as wicca etc, well they are nto trying to rule the world based on whose c*ck or p*ssy is biggest as gor would like to do.
Neither is Gor or Goreans. You have this penchant for cock references. It would seem you might have a type of penis envy.

um no i am not gor but thanks anyway.
Ah, and this remark is to add to the validity of you "wanting to learn"

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ORIGINAL: MntnWolf
By all means, maintain your position. And Goreans shall maintain theirs, whether you like it or not. You came with demands and they showed you where to put them. I mean, you came with questions and they showed you where to find them, of course.

well their position is read the fantasy come up with whatever rocks your cradle to apply it to the real world as long as you dont break the law, do what literally every other non gor dom male does and call yourself gor for doing it, be amiguous in your position and what you are about, and tell me what every culture has as it foundation you suddenly wake up and claim it as gor. that is th eposition i have seen so far from the people here.
Again, this is just what you find in BDSM. Read the books,find out if this is what calls to you, talk to the people after and go on from there. What don't you understand? That noone will give you easy answers to to weed out those that really want to be part of this from those that don't. It's really easy.

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i have to laugh, no one hesitates to tell me what gor isnt but no one can tell me what diferentiates gor from any one else.
Well, if you know what Gor isn't, why can't you see what Gor is. A proccess of elimination.

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RE: All women are slaves - 2/4/2006 12:05:06 AM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		abd maybe you deserve more credit than i have given you i dont know, i wont be looking at those links because i have found the answers i have been looking for. as to the others:

read luther if you want to know about gor and forget these guys on here!!!! http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002/id53.htm

Personally from reading this i found that goreans are arrogant, have poor and disrespectful views of humans, while claiming only the best of human traits and characters to be their own. Even tho gors have only been around since 1967ish or so. Luther is worth reading, thats my opinion check it out for yourselves.

there you go leon got what i came for, to bad you and your cronies cant take the credit, and now i am gone! now you can go back to debating gor till your fingers crack and fall off!

and thanks to especially to the couple of women who really made an effort to answer my question in the context it was asked.

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