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your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/29/2009 4:01:01 PM

JstAnotherSub

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i lurk a lot here, and i really enjoy reading the different interpretations of this philosophy. although i dont think i could ever be gorean, i do agree with many of the standards held and i have learned a good bit, or at least been made to think about how i feel by reading here. thanks for that to all.

that said, in the "aligned limits" thread, twice public play was mentioned. once at a rest stop, and once at an airport. i happen to love reading the posts of both of the folks that mentioned it, and i find them both to be consistent in their postings, but.....

were me and my granny, or other relatives or loved one, at that rest stop or airport, and we observed this type of public play, i would more than likely go a bit psycho about it. calling it slavery or consentual is fine, when it refers to the folks who knowingly agree to the "rules", but forcing unwilling folks to observe crosses a line, imho.

in fact, with all i thought i had learned here, to me, it seems to be ungorean even, as in it is a form of disrespect.

i am sure many will be happy to tell me if i am entirely off base in my thinking, but i seriously would like to understand how such behavior is deemed acceptable to any among us.

thanks

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/29/2009 4:50:51 PM

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greetings JstAnotherSub.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

i lurk a lot here, and i really enjoy reading the different interpretations of this philosophy. although i dont think i could ever be gorean, i do agree with many of the standards held and i have learned a good bit, or at least been made to think about how i feel by reading here. thanks for that to all.

that said, in the "aligned limits" thread, twice public play was mentioned. once at a rest stop, and once at an airport. i happen to love reading the posts of both of the folks that mentioned it, and i find them both to be consistent in their postings, but.....

were me and my granny, or other relatives or loved one, at that rest stop or airport, and we observed this type of public play, i would more than likely go a bit psycho about it. calling it slavery or consentual is fine, when it refers to the folks who knowingly agree to the "rules", but forcing unwilling folks to observe crosses a line, imho.

in fact, with all i thought i had learned here, to me, it seems to be ungorean even, as in it is a form of disrespect.

i am sure many will be happy to tell me if i am entirely off base in my thinking, but i seriously would like to understand how such behavior is deemed acceptable to any among us.

thanks

There was nothing Gorean or not Gorean about what you quoted. In fact, such things are probably more common among people who identify as BDSM than Gorean. I think there is a web site that gets advertised on CM about things exactly like that; something about public humiliation.

If you really want to shock or offend people, as a Gorean you can. If you don't like shocking and offending people, as a Gorean you can do that as well.

In other words, you can zipper in most belief systems in place of Gorean in the above line and it will mean exactly the same thing. The exact activity may or may not be acceptable to any system, but most, tho not all, do not specifically mention things like sex in front of other people to use your above example. Also remember that it has not always had the same connotations it has today. At one point and in some cultures even now, it is not a big thing. There are many other things not involving sex that can shock and offend people. We don't have to limit this to sex after all.

be well....

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/29/2009 5:22:36 PM

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thanks for the reply Malkinus.....in my head, i was seeing someone who also was Gorean stepping up and telling them please stop this as my family is with me.....and both of them being true to what they are...neither party right or wrong....just following their own beliefs....which seems Gorean to me.....and at the same time confuses the heck outta me-lol

again thanks for the reply

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/29/2009 6:52:35 PM

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That's because you are quite incorrectly picturing something like people striping in the lobby.

Many, many people have been nude in public places. Mostly, no one else knows about it. That's because people use their common sense. After all, there are laws about this kind of thing. It's not a public display.

And Malkinius is correct, it has nothing to do with Gor either way. In the thread you reference, it was given as an example, in both instances, and was certainly not the point.

In short, you and your granny are safe.

< Message edited by Musicmystery -- 3/29/2009 7:28:17 PM >

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 2:34:24 AM

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I may have misunderstood how it happened. i didnt exactly picture anyone stopping as they got off the plane and stripping, but....

The reason i thought as i did was there was mention in one of the replies of a carload of "older folks" seeing pants around the ankles and the embarrassment felt by the slave in that instance. i was imagining the emotions that the older folks felt and consider it to be non consentual.

i also loved reading how the slave (hiskajirah if memory serves). felt so free after surviving this. her writings about how she serves amaze me each time i read them.

but i did have a question burning in my mind, and rather than assume, i asked, i hope no disrespect was taken, cause none was meant.

Thanks for the reply Musicmystery.

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 6:24:52 AM

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Hi JstAnotherSub,

You're not the only one who made that assumption - here's the quote you're talking about.

quote:

A car full of older folk pulled up and because she couldn't see behind her, he already had his pants up and zipped and this ones shorts were still around her ankle, her ass exposed for all to see. When she looked over and saw them...major blush, partial embarrassment, but...

Oh my gosh the entire experience was amazing

Public decency laws are there for a reason, however, unless you're there for a long time or it's the cop who's the one that sees you, generally people get away with it. I agree with you that it is non-consentual, and while it's great that the experience helped twinkle work through the mental barriers she had, IMO it would be better to get that sort of theraputic effect from people who actually signed up to give it.

Take care,
Bella

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 6:33:31 AM

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OH my god! The travesty, the crime of it! What if they allowed nude beaches? Could you imagine the emotional scarring that would happen to so many people? I mean Janet Jackson's nipple on TV caused so many problems, right?

There are still laws on the books that prevent a male from going shirtless in public, and they damn well better keep it that way.

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 6:58:45 AM

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and from a different perpsective...
It's unfortunate, but in our nanny society the act described and witnessed by the wrong person, in the wrong place, might just get you arrested , possibly convicted and the scarlet letter of "sex offender" to wear for the rest of your life.
I've read of a couple instances where someone relieving themself in the wrong place at the wrong time has had this happen.
Personally, I wouldn't put myself nor my slave at the risk of this just to push a limit or two.

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 6:58:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

OH my god! The travesty, the crime of it! What if they allowed nude beaches? Could you imagine the emotional scarring that would happen to so many people? I mean Janet Jackson's nipple on TV caused so many problems, right?

There are still laws on the books that prevent a male from going shirtless in public, and they damn well better keep it that way.

Orion

I would imagine that even on a nude beach there would be some people who would be uncomfortable if it was obvious the couple they just passed had almost been caught in a sex act.

On a nude beach everyone who shows up makes the choice to be surrounded by nudity. At a sex club, everyone who shows up makes the choice to be surrounded by sex.

Public decency laws are there to protect the choice of those who choose not to.

< Message edited by Elisabella -- 3/30/2009 6:59:23 AM >

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 11:33:14 AM

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Yes Yes, there is nothing as repulsive as the human body.... at least according to the repressed masses.

Funny how seeing a naked person is bad, but seeing people blown up, shot, stabbed, disembowled, hung, mutilated, and mauled by bears\lions\aliens\psychopaths is just good wholesome family entertainment.

And people think I am sick and twisted.....

I need me a slavegirl to fetch me a drink... my reality is too warped...

Olaf

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 11:45:09 AM

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greetings Free

i would imagine most of those on a nube beach have a porn collection as well. my only concern would be the visible aspect to the younger generation. but, heck, i was fucking around at 13, sneaking into my brothers' gielie mags, ect. i would not go to a nude beach if i expected a fun, wholesome family outting. i gave a blow job to a man in a movie theater (yes, i was owned by the same man) when finished, the man behind him tapped my ex Master on the shoulder and whispered loudly "lucky fucker". and yes, we made sure there were only adults in the theater before we began. people stumble upon others enjoying their sexuality all the time. your an adult, i am an adult, close your eyes if what i am doing offends you that much. and, please, if you see something you have never seen before in your life, beat it with a stick!

well wishes

tazzy
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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 12:06:20 PM

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Hi Olaf,

I don't think anyone's saying the human body is disgusting. The issue is personal boundaries. There are plenty of places a person can go to watch people engaging in sexual and BDSM oriented activities. Places that minors can't accidentally stumble across - places that anyone with either voyeuristic or exhibitionist tendencies can go to express their fantasy without involving anyone who hasn't consented to participation.

Same as people have to consent to watching gory movies. Personally, I'm not a fan. I'd be pretty pissed off if I was having lunch in the park and someone started playing one with a portable displayer against a wall, blasting screaming audio along with it. I don't know if that's illegal, probably would fall under causing a public disturbance, but if the jackass who did it started ranting about his right to play movies I'd tell him "yeah, on your own property" and roll my eyes if he told the cop that he /should/ be able to do it instead of accepting that it was illegal for the public good and that while he's on the city's property, he should follow the city's rules.

Take care,
Bella

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 12:10:20 PM

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Hi Tazzy,

Nudity doesn't always have to be sexualized. Some people just don't like tan lines. I've tanned nude, alone, just to feel the sun - it was no more sexual than taking a shower is. And while I'm sure plenty of nudists have a porn collection, I also wouldn't be surprised if there were nudists who felt that porn is degrading to the body, what with all the implants and faked orgasms and all.

And FWIW I would close my eyes or walk away if I came up on someone having sex in public. Depending on where I was, I might also inform the owner of the property or let law enforcement know if it was in a highly visible area. If I were in the movie theatre during the situation you described, I'd let the manager know and hope that the refund I demanded for having to miss the movie came out of your pocket. Hopefully anyone old enough to make the decision to have sex is also old enough to take responsibility for their criminal behavior.

Take care,
Bella

PS I think part of your post is against TOS, what you wrote about being 13. Just wanted to give the heads up.

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 1:08:09 PM

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quote:

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And while I'm sure plenty of nudists have a porn collection, I also wouldn't be surprised if there were nudists who felt that porn is degrading to the body, what with all the implants and faked orgasms and all.

There Faking it???????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You just destroyed the premise of my entire reality... the horror... the;..... horror...

~Grabs his mead and give tazzy a smack on her ass as she wiggle-waggles away

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 1:19:09 PM

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~yelps and grins from the smack

hi bella

if that had happened in the movie theater, i would have gladly paid you. and, just so you know, some would consider you laying out in your back yard, nude, as public nudity and could also have had you arrested if you were visable to anyone else. to some, nude is sexual period. to others, nudity is just a natural state. porn isnt always fake boobs and orgasms. many people get upset at that which embarrasses them the most.

tazzy

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 1:42:48 PM

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Heya Tazzy,

*grins* I actually tanned on a balcony and hung towels over the sides of it. Though I have to admit I was more concerned about my privacy than anyone else's sensibilities. But I get what you're saying - the only way to avoid tan lines /legally/ in the US is to use a booth.

Not sure about Australia, but with all those surfer girls - no way I'm going to bother finding out

Take care,
Bella

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 2:03:55 PM

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quote:

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And while I'm sure plenty of nudists have a porn collection, I also wouldn't be surprised if there were nudists who felt that porn is degrading to the body, what with all the implants and faked orgasms and all.

Hi, Bella -

Having known a few nudists, I can attest to the validity of what you said above. Met some of both.

Heh, for me the best two things about nude beaches are
1. Less obnoxiously obvious ogling than the nilla beach. Seriously less. I don't enjoy being viewed as just an hunk of meat with stratigically positioned orifices, but I realize that not everyone feels the same, LOL.
2. The bodies are real ones. No airbrushing. Never seen a supermodel at a nude beach, either. Just a bunch of people who enjoy sun and air on skin, and who've (by and large) gotten over themselves.

I agree with Olaf that the greater and more readily viewable obscenity, be it "in the flesh" or on film, is violence for its own sake. That doesn't mean I'd be happy about having to explain to a young offspring what those two (or three, etc) people over there on that park bench were doing, and then answer why it really isn't ok to just fuck wherever you feel like it. The adult in the family has the right and responsibility, imo, to choose the appropriate time to explain such things to the individual in their care. Someone providing my young with visual aids without my permission isn't acceptable to me.

General comment:
Our society is sooooooo incredibly screwed up, it is no wonder there seems to be a lack of what I personally consider to be common sense. And honestly, if I had to watch most people I know make the beast, I'd need at least 100 gallons of mead to wash my mind's eye out. It's funny how that works. In the right (for me) context, I have no problem with people around me having sex. But for the most part, I'd rather be doing, than watching.....and doing in reasonable privacy, be it indoors or out. Another thought, and something I've said in this forum before I believe, is that if we had less silliness and repression, and more healthy and happy sex in our society, we'd have a lot less mental illness, rape, abuse, and general unhealthiness. JMNSHO

Side note: Anyone besides me find most porn to be terribly boring?

Gracie

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 2:57:44 PM

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I like tan lines...

Consider the thong and it's lines, it's like road marked arrows point in the correct direction.

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 2:59:54 PM

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hi Mistress Gracie

lol... yes.. it is boring. and i completeky agree with what you said. we had an incident in Myrtle Beach, oh, i guess 10 years or more back, during a biker weekend. man, i miss this weekends... not this particular one though. the mayor and govenor almost called out the national guard, things got so out of hand. sex on back of bikes and trucks, the beaches littered with everything imaginable. public nudity abounded. this is a family beach, billed and promoted as such. every generation represented each year. and im sure many parents had to explain a few facts of lfe they may not have been ready to explain.

as part of being a consenting adult within the scene, i woudl think they are also consenting to taking on the responsibility of their own actions. i have done some crazy things in order to "obey". i also have grown up quite a bit from those days. i personally would just turn around and walk away, provided there were only adults in attendance. add a younger generation to the mix, and my reaction would change.

well wishes

tazzy

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RE: your gorean stepped on my granny - 3/30/2009 3:33:42 PM

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Sex on the motorcycle is a natural and beautiful thing!!!!!! Just like a governor and mayor to have to screw it up for everyone...

The thing that strikes me as funny is, these towns go out of their way to organize a bike rally, love the money that is generated durring the week... but hate having bikers around... lol

Guzzles his mead... It is so much fun to be me....

Olaf

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