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Gorean Lifestyles - 1/29/2006 4:57:46 PM   
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What is it really? I am a vanilla and would love to recieve some input and opportunity to learn new things, so what is Gorean Lifestyles?
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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 1/29/2006 5:04:45 PM   
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Please read the following thread:

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/4/2006 3:05:41 AM   
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So You want to learn about Gorean Lifestyles ?

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/4/2006 4:29:25 AM   
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For future reference, it really is worth the time exploring the archives in this forum and then comming up with a list of questions for us to respond to. To be fair, most of us have answered the same question more than a couple of times.... Good luck with your reading and enjoy the ride.

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/4/2006 9:36:02 PM   
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Thank you all and especially thank you GingerleeDREAD

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/4/2006 10:30:35 PM   
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Im sorry. I went t to both websites and still dont understand the difference between normal BDSM Dom/sub and the Gorean lifestyle, Master/slave.

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/4/2006 11:50:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShivaTS

Im sorry. I went t to both websites and still dont understand the difference between normal BDSM Dom/sub and the Gorean lifestyle, Master/slave.



Gorean has some elements of BDSM, mainly Bondage/Disipline, Dominance/submission.

A Gorean Master expects his slave to be pleasing in everyway.

If not, she will be punished.

However, we also take care of what is ours.

A slave can be the best treasure we have.

Also, a Gorean slave does not have "contracts" nor "safewords".

That is the easiest I can explain it without taking up many many more words, and keeping me up much later then I need to be.

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/5/2006 2:38:04 AM   
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To this I will add, that Gorean slavery is not about BDSM play, it is about service and pleasing your Master. Certainly some of us enjoy some aspects of BDSM, flogging, needle play and shibarfi are three of my personal favourites, but they would be uded for my pleasure unless I chose to spoil my slave and give her a treat; again because it pleases me to do so.

I have little doubt that in the hands of the right Master (for you), you will blossom. Learn what you may of Gor and take your time before committig to another untill you know what it is you wan't.

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/5/2006 3:16:27 AM   
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quote:


Im sorry. I went t to both websites and still dont understand the difference between normal BDSM Dom/sub and the Gorean lifestyle, Master/slave.


I think in all honesty, you should stop trying to figure out if you are sub or slave, or if you seek a BDSM relationship or a gorean one. Rather I think you should explore all aspects with an open mind, however ultimately you should simpily try to find what will fulfill your needs. Whether you find a master or a dom, is irrelavent. Whether you are a slave or a submissive, is irrelavent. What is importnt is you find fullfillment to your deepest needs. Don't change who you are to fit into the scene. Change the scene to fit into who you are.

I say this because it seems you know what you want, you just havn't yet found it. It seems to me that because of this, you are questioning if you should change to fit in to the catagory of "slave" or of "sub".

I would strongly suggest you read this article on the TRUE difference between a slave and a sub. Most here disagree with this article, but IMO it will help you a lot.

http://www.alternativealbany.com/index.php?entry=entry050403-090409



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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/5/2006 5:13:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterABD
I think in all honesty, you should stop trying to figure out if you are sub or slave, or if you seek a BDSM relationship or a gorean one. Rather I think you should explore all aspects with an open mind, however ultimately you should simpily try to find what will fulfill your needs.




greetings Master;

i have to say this is the best advice to someone new i've seen in awhile. for some reason when we get into this "alternative" lifestyle, whether it is BDSM, Gorean, M/s, D/s, gay leathermen, whatever..we see everyone define themselves as to what they are and what role they play and we all immediately start on the path of being able to label ourselves. i don't believe we all fit into a certain label. i don't believe it's particularly healthy to have to find one right away. there is so much out there that one that is new should look around, experience a lot, talk to a lot of people, get a feeling for what is around before ever trying to say "X" is what they definitely are. i've been searching through an alternative lifestyle for nearly 10 yrs now and i'm still searching for that all important label that people say i should have. i can tell you how i identify, which is a "bisexual high fem service-oriented masochistic gorean slave" but i don't think you will find one particular label that fits me well.

so thank you Master for offering this advice to someone new. i hope shiva takes it to heart and enjoys seeking what's out there and learning before she ever tries to label herself.


with an allowed voice..

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Gorean lifestyle, from a slaves vantage point - 2/5/2006 8:03:13 AM   
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Greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves..



Coffee might be needed...this is long. *smiles*

This topic has been rambling around in my wee little mind for some time, I finally begged for permission to share it here and pray I have worded things not only in a pleasing manner, but was able to convey my thoughts correctly. I also won't speak on anything but how I, a slave, looks at things at makes sense of them. These are my thoughts, posted with permission.

I like to think that people on the whole are good, so when there are inquiries as to what is a Gorean Lifestyle, I try to keep positive thoughts that they are truly curious, not simply here to fill bandwidth or start a flame war. From a slaves view, I am offering this, in hopes it helps ease confusion. (on a personal level, I prefer Gorean ethos, or philosophy, simply because to me, Gorean Lifestyle says we are trying to emulate the book characters)

The books, are the first step. When inquiring minds are told to read the books, it is not done with malice or laziness, simply put, you must start with this step to grasp the underlying meaning. Once that is done, the next phase is looking in the mirror. To me, this life is all about self exploration, realizing where your shortcomings are, bettering oneself to the fullest capabilities. Body shape, hair color, clothing, etc will be dictated by the man/men, to suit their pleasure, I am speaking of what lies beneath the surface. Yes, a slave owned by a Gorean man is his to mold as he wishes, I am not stating it is ALL up to the girl. However, I feel she must have the fortitude to want this, the craving to please him above all else, even when faced with inner struggles of her own. It takes strength and determination to surrender everything to another human.

When you meet a slave (kajira) of this nature, you will know. It is quiet inner beauty that shines from her every move. Something as simple as knowing when he needs a drink refilled, before asked; or quietly rubbing his feet after a hard day at work, rather then filling his head with idle chit chat, it's the quiet act of doing what will please him, no matter how small or monumental the task.

People ask continually, what is the Gorean lifestyle? How can it be defined and seperated to make sense? It must start from the books, it must happen from within. No one can predict how it will affect you, the only person who can do that...is you.

I have heard men say they felt a tug while reading the series, a draw that hit them square in the chest. I don't dig deeper, as that is a topic for men to share. The slaves it has been my pleasure to spend time with, have stated something similar. They saw beyond the flora and fauna, the sexual aspect of being helpless in the arms of a strong man, the characters and cities. The feeling was one of deep joy, it bubbled from the center. Here was a series of books that if one searched and scraped away the covering they might grasp how women could be truly happy. (I am only touching on this from a slaves point of view, not how free men and women felt)

Often, when we visit others, there are no outward signs to the untrained eye, since we spend time at public places and there are usually rug rats running around. Yet, each and every girl knows instincively how to behave, to the point of very little being said, it is expected she will fetch what needs fetching, kneel or sit quietly while the free speak and be pleasant company if engaged in the conversation.

Is this strictly Gorean behavior? No. This is probably where the confusion comes into it. My take on this, is that the word Gorean is used as a means to define a way of life. Basically, the general populus doesn't care, so only those in other forms of an alt. way of living will understand what the word is saying. Hopefully, it will say, those involved HAVE read the books and have found the deeper meaning beyond the printed text. What that meaning is, no one can decide for you, it must be experienced first hand. To do this, the books must be read.

Bright Blessings,

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/5/2006 8:40:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterABD
I think in all honesty, you should stop trying to figure out if you are sub or slave, or if you seek a BDSM relationship or a gorean one. Rather I think you should explore all aspects with an open mind, however ultimately you should simpily try to find what will fulfill your needs. Whether you find a master or a dom, is irrelavent. Whether you are a slave or a submissive, is irrelavent. What is importnt is you find fullfillment to your deepest needs. Don't change who you are to fit into the scene. Change the scene to fit into who you are.

I say this because it seems you know what you want, you just havn't yet found it. It seems to me that because of this, you are questioning if you should change to fit in to the catagory of "slave" or of "sub".

I would strongly suggest you read this article on the TRUE difference between a slave and a sub. Most here disagree with this article, but IMO it will help you a lot.

http://www.alternativealbany.com/index.php?entry=entry050403-090409



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Master ABD, I've read the majority if not all of your posts to this forum and have agreed with what you've written in general. I also agree with most of what you've written above as well. It just when I see someone write in thier statements of real this or true thats, that I oppose the statement. To say a real slave is this or a true master is that imposes your view on someone else against their consent. Something that I'm always against. This maybe what you view the difference is between a sub and a slave, and that is fine. But the only person that this view is true to is yourself and others that apply it to themselves.

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/5/2006 1:29:52 PM   
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Thank you, MasterABD for your insite. I will take it to heart.

Your difinition of turning a sub to a slave or the training of a slave is what I believe I require. I dont presume to know what I want to try because I want to try everything yet am scared where that will take me. The questions of can I do or take that are thrown around in my head. I may think no, but in truth I really cant say until I do it. I dont know what my limits are and need someone to push me to the point of when I think I cant take it and then to what they think they are. For instance I HATE needles. I am utterly terrified of them, but if my Master/Mistress demands me to do something with them, I will most likely say no, then give in to begging and pleading and eventually submit. My ultimate goal in life is to finish the change into a woman, but if my Master/Mistress decided it is in my best interests to stay inbetween, then again I will take a stand, then be reduced to pleading and finally submit to thier decision.

I am anal, (not litterally). I strive to operate in the rules that have been layed out. Its too confusing to make decisions on my own without knowing how I am supposed to operate and what options I have. I am the type of person that likes math and computers because all variables are layed out in front of me.

Im going to take the rest of the day to think about what I have learned on here and try to make sense of it and apply it to my "rule book".

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/5/2006 2:10:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

It just when I see someone write in thier statements of real this or true thats, that I oppose the statement. To say a real slave is this or a true master is that imposes your view on someone else against their consent.


Greetings MrDiscipline44,

I agree with this to an extent, but to an extent this is flawed, in my opinion. You see, I understand that others may have a different idea of what a slave is, or of what a submissive is. In fact, within my views a slave or submissive can act or be almost any walk or shape of life. If they want to act a certain way, or be a certain way, clearly they can be who they wish to be.

However at the same time, I believe it is a fact that if a woman finds the right master (not all masters are capable of doing what I say), and he wishes her to submit completely as his slave, it will happen. This isn't a belief, it is a fact. Most will never understand it is fact, as most will never meet such a master, because they are rare indeed, however it doesn't change that if they do, it will be his way and no other.

Whether a persons idea of what a sub or slave us differ from mine or not, whether a person has a different idea of what a master is or not, the fact remains some men have this ability others do not. Meeting a man of such nature, can turn a submissive into a slave. For this reason I do not believe this is an opinion.



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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/5/2006 3:28:19 PM   
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I've thought about what I have done with my life and when I was most content and happy. I worked a McDonalds and was place in lobby cleaning. My rules were layed out to me that every thing had to be cleaned in within 15 minutes and the cycle starts over. For 8 hours a day I did this and was given the title of CSR/Super host because my Head manager found me worthy of other duties. She slowly molded me into a customer service host by giving me new instructions every day while I maintained what I learned I must do previously. In the end I service the food, cleaned, greeted people, corrected problems with order even when they didnt know I was listening to them and replacing cold or food not made to thier likeing. I always did it with a smile yet was always being pushed to do more and more. I did the job of 3 poeple in lobby but never complained because knew my head manager was always proud of me and she often bragged to other stores about me. I knew this because other managers and head office people used to come in every once in a while and call me over to talk to me by name.

I want to be cared my safety and well being. I want them to be proud of me. I want them to push me to be better than I am so they will continue to be proud of me because I am a better better at what I do than someone elses sub/slave.

I would like for them to one day love me.


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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/7/2006 3:39:21 PM   
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shiva
Id like to first off ask the meaning of your name.
The reasons I ask is because online names have meaning in Gor.

the Gorean concepts might not be what you seek if you only desire to be in service of One and have One only Own you.
I will take it that if you will not accept any Owner who is married then you would not accept any Owner that has a significant
other or two or three either.

Any ways this was just My observation as you had caught My attention, But I have no intention of ever being **One**or for only **one**as I have a very large Family Structure that you might of actually worked well into if you hadent listed Hard Limits that went
against how I live in MyGorean Life.


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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/7/2006 10:57:13 PM   
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Im sorry, I dont have a Gorean name. I am just learning about the lifestyle. My name is my given name. It is after a hindu god, the lord of life and death, (not quite but for easy explaining). I was very sick and spent alot of time in the hospital when I was born. My parents though it was appropriate because every day for 4 months they were told I wasnt going to make it.

I have read alittle about the Goreans and how they treat thier slaves. I have heard from some that they can have a long term relationship that is ful of love and compassion while still maintaining as master/slave relationship. Others have told me that a woman is simple property and nothing more. She is worth as much as a toaster.

I've already shared my body with some men who may have been playing dominant, but it didnt matter because they were to me and by your definition all women are slaves so all men have to be masters to some point. The question is would my master approve of me sharing myself with them or would he think it was reckless to have done what I did. Yes I was hurt physically, but what does it matter as long as I wasnt perminently damaged? Especially if I am to be considered a toaster.

I am starting to wonder if a Gorean would except me at all. If anyone has read Terry Goodkind's series Sword of Truth, I consider myself a young mord-sith that darken Rahl hasnt taken through the second breaking. I believe in the devotion from the book, "Master guide me. Master teach me. Master protect me, In your light I thrive. In your mercy I am sheltered. In your wisdom I am humbled. I live only to serve. My life is yours."

Your rejection wounds me a great deal. I wish to serve. I dont know if that will end up being with one master or of if he chooses to share me or even give me away later. My dream is to have a master that will care for me. I am not going to hide that, but as a slave I know it isnt my choice.

Just to let you know, I am being considered by a BDSM Dom for teaching. He has a wife and child. I have no misgivings if eventually I am collared and am second wife to her or if he brings home a friend for me to entertain for the night, week, month.... We met at a munch last night. I dress specifically trying to be pleasing to the eyes of any Goreans that would come. I was disappointed no one came.

May I ask what is it that you dont agree with about my hard limits? The fact I have hard limits, that I dont want to be emotionally so I live in a withdrawn state of simply doing things without any sign I am alive, or that I dont want to be perminently physically hurt so I would never be of use to a master again?

A master talked about molding a new sub into a slave. Apperently I am not such a doormat and require a master to break me. I hope one day a master would be willing to train me to not have limits and to fully trust in my master.

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/8/2006 3:55:28 AM   
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it was by your own worded limits I spoke, not Mine shiva.
being one of many does not take away from your self, nor
your care, or desire or content of character which brings you
to any given place in life and that which is valued with in it.
how you hold your own feelings and self will determine how
the next also holds such things with in you. one does not have
to be singled out in order to know commitment, compassion,
desire, appreication or even and including love. Thats the kind
of limit I see in the words you express in your profile and thats
the kind of limits I My self do not hold and question others I
see do that come seeking in Gor. That is My resonings. You
have expressed better here how you feel and thats what should
be said in your profile, not what I read there which gave Me
a different impression. Good luck in your concideration.

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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/8/2006 7:10:06 AM   
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I am sorry for refering to myself as a mord-sith in training. They are too noble in their final task, I am simply Deaths Mistress before meeting her Master Rahl. I have no main purpose in life. I await my Master/Mistress, I await my purpose.

I admit my failing. I wish to draw strength from service. The pride that I will have and the self worth will be in serving. The only way to describe it is having children, you give your life over to their service. Your reason for getting up in the morning is for them, the reason you sleep is because their needs have been met. The love isnt for 1 but for all children. No mother will sit back and watch a child cross into a street and be hit. They will run out protect them, not knowing anything about them or caring, it is their function in life to serve and lay their life down if need be. There are women out there that can find self worth from holding a job I am not one of them.

This whole time I have spoken about serving a master. I humbly apologise to the free women on here. I will serve who wishes me to serve. A Mistress terrifies me on so many levels. I cant begin to list them. When it comes down to it, I will serve who wishes it. I know very little about free women but will search for answers today.

I have listened to many masters/mistresses say time and time again this may not be the lifestyle for me. If this is what you truly believe, then tell me. Please. Order me to leave and find another path. I will go and not bother any Gorean's again.


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RE: Gorean Lifestyles - 2/8/2006 7:51:06 AM   
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quote:

Others have told me that a woman is simple property and nothing more. She is worth as much as a toaster.


This is going to be very short. Perceptions when reading the written words will yield a multitude of outcomes. I would ask shiva that you take the very "quote" of yours that is listed, and read it several times. Then I would ask that you go through the posts made here by kajira and slaves. I can almost guarantee that your implied perception of your quote will be nothing at all like their understanding of being that simple property or toaster.

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