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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 7:52:42 AM

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Hi Sam - I got your mail. Hope you had a good time, whatever it was that you were up to :-) .

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 9:24:56 AM

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You should try reading posts, before you attack them, Kitten, especially when you are going to continue running with a 20 year-old bullshit talking point the post debunks...

Bomb throwing isn't allowed on this thread, especially not from one normally so mature - everybody can read the posts I alluded to. They overflow with frustration and envy, but you know that already, dontcha?

Are you telling us that the GOP hasn't lost its footing ?

Keep in mind, I have nothing to do with the GOP since they've been nearly as bad as the democrats for a long time. (I didn't vote for either Bush, or McCain).

So, I know it's easy for some Liberals to confuse "Setting the record straight" with "frustration and envy", but you really should try and be more open minded. ;)

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 9:26:06 AM

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How different this world would be today, had FL done the same thing in 2000. But, we'll never know.

Since independant recounts done since show that Bush still would have won, it's safe to say that I do already know.

(True, a lot of you will never know as long as you keep your eyes shut so tightly though.)

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 9:29:13 AM

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You responded to a post that wasn't directed to you ;-) .

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 9:36:52 AM

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Reagan does something unspeakable to the youth of the nation, so it's the Democratic Congress' fault. Now, where have we heard that kind of line before?

(I'm the one that brought up the Democratic Congress when doing my fact checking, and you replied to that).

So apologies for assuming that it was one of the posts you "alluded to" ;)

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 10:00:27 AM

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From strictly simplistic point of view.....Who is the leader of the Republican party?....Michael Steele isn't the answer....who is truly the leader?

I think it's Rick Santelli. lol Really they are looking pretty desperate though trying to grasp on to anything right now.
Even a guy who makes his living ranting and raving everyday on CNBC.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 11:26:49 AM

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How different this world would be today, had FL done the same thing in 2000. But, we'll never know.

Since independant recounts done since show that Bush still would have won, it's safe to say that I do already know.

(True, a lot of you will never know as long as you keep your eyes shut so tightly though.)

Every independent recount done since revealed that if every legally registered voter that went to the correct pollignplace in Florida had been allowed to cast a counted ballot Gore would have won by a sizable, 10k+, margin.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 12:01:18 PM

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Twist enough pretzels and eventually at least one of them is going to look an awful lot like Jesus.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 3:58:57 PM

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"I remember that. That was when the Democrat Congress cut $1 billion from child-nutrition funding and gave the USDA 90 days to come up with new standards for school districts to meet that budget.

So, with the number of kids that would throw their veggies away, it was an option that was tossed out there, but with only 90 days there was no time for a higher review of the option.

So l.iberals ever since pin that on Reagan without mentioning the whole story.

Classic Liberals. :p "

Who's omitting the whole story? Let's set things in perspective....

A president comes into office claiming a sweeping mandate based on an electoral victory- but certainly not based on popular vote. (Some good presidents have come into office similarly such as Truman and Lincoln, IIRC.) He uses "Big Lie" psychology-

1) You can have what you want.
2) Taxes will be cut for the rich.
3) Defense is all important and needs to be built up at the expense of education, social services, infrastructure, and oh yeah- anything resembling a sound fiscal policy.
4) If you're not getting what you want- it's the fault of Congress.
5) Government is always the problem- if government would just get out of peoples way, they'd solve their own problems. (Anarchy anyone?)

Reagan was always threatening Congress- using his immense personal appeal and friends in the media. The idea that the media has a liberal bias is/was laughable- it was Reagan's claim and it was utter hogwash. That the press failed to point out the obvious flaws in Reagan's agenda shows how in love with the creep they were.

There were two years that Reagan had to deal with a democratic congress- 1981-1982. The democrats lost control of Congress in the midterm elections and Reagan never looked back. I will not say that it was the democrats shining hour- but they were baffled by the brazenness of the man and the platform. The idea of a balanced budget or any type of fiscal responsibility went out the window. Reagan ran the deficit up from $70 B to close to two TRILLION- I'm not sure Roosevelt pulled that one off during WWII. Nor was there any plan as to how to pay the deficit down. This was effectively giving someone a charge card and not telling them it had to be paid off.

What I recall of the time was that the Republicans largely fell into step behind Reagan and the Democrats became the voice of fiscal restraint. It didn't work well. However, the idea of throwing any type of fiscal responsibility out the window was last seen in Nazi Germany- and it did make Hitler very popular for awhile. It was a novel idea in the US.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 5:36:40 PM

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That's exactly what no one knows.

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And as it turns out, the results would have been the same - a Bush victory.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 5:55:55 PM

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Here's another reason the GOP is seem as utterly clownshoes:

First, we have Bobby Jindal mocking volcano monitoring programs... less than two weeks later, Alaska blows it's top. Had it been in a more populated area, it would have been worse than Mt. St. Helens.

Now we have several republicans who jeered at 900 million dollars in the federal Obama proposed budget, for no less than something as silly as "flu pandemic preparedness".

Ha! What pork these dems stuff their budgets with, eh? I mean, what are the odds?
(phone rings)
What?
(murmered phone convo)
Swine flu?
(more)
100+ dead in Mexico?
(more)
Now in six states you say?
(more)
Possible pandemic equal to that expereinced in 1918? Half a million dead domestically? 20,000,000 dead worldwide?
(murmur, murmur)
I see. Thank you. (hangs up)

Ahem. Well, let's all hope that the GOP doesn't deside to deride "asteroid detection and impact prevention" next...

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 6:49:36 PM

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Ahem. Well, let's all hope that the GOP doesn't deside to deride "asteroid detection and impact prevention" next...

Chuckle....

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 7:03:15 PM

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Ahem. Well, let's all hope that the GOP doesn't deside to deride "asteroid detection and impact prevention" next...

Chuckle....

They'd have to self-detect first, and there's no hope in hell of that happening any time soon.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/27/2009 11:30:03 PM

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Here`s another reason.

Texas Governor Rick Perry recently quipped that the "government" was to intrusive,to big,to this to that.He even flirts with those patriotic secessionists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTWKp_ucGLM

"Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment?

Now he wants the "government" to provide thousands of swine flue vaccine doses to Texas.

What a joke.

Hey Perry! Still want to go it alone?!

lol

Great thread btw,kittin.

Sooo theraputic.....

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/28/2009 5:29:06 AM

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Frankly, Perry's stance was nothing but insulting... how much have we helped TX in post hurricane cleanup? How many government contracts for defense spending, Huston space center, and so on have been awarded to these ungrateful pricks? How much support have we been sending TX in increased boarder patrol support?

Perry should sit down, STFU, and hope to hell everyone forgets who he is.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/28/2009 9:33:59 AM

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From strictly simplistic point of view.....Who is the leader of the Republican party?....Michael Steele isn't the answer....who is truly the leader?

If anyone was thinking of suggesting Arlen Specter, I'm guessing they can take his name off the list now.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/28/2009 9:52:03 AM

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What's happened with Specter is so symptomatic of what I was touching upon on this thread.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/28/2009 10:01:32 AM

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Let's not forget the Bush's epoch, lately Bush the lessor's the billion dollar bailouts,.... Bush the greater, with his Gatt and Nafta. So, in a word, the reason of the unraveling...BUSH.

Reagan pails by comparison...however, Bush the Greater was running the show then.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/28/2009 12:14:21 PM

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How different this world would be today, had FL done the same thing in 2000. But, we'll never know.

Since independant recounts done since show that Bush still would have won, it's safe to say that I do already know.

(True, a lot of you will never know as long as you keep your eyes shut so tightly though.)

Every independent recount done since revealed that if every legally registered voter that went to the correct pollignplace in Florida had been allowed to cast a counted ballot Gore would have won by a sizable, 10k+, margin.

Eh, I've looked over every recount scenario done, and the most generous one was one that gave it to Gore by 171 votes.

Recounting just the 3 counties that Gore requested, using the same voting methods that those counties used would have been a Bush win by 225 votes.

The other recount scenarios I'd already posted previously in the thread.

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RE: Why the GOP is unraveling. - 4/28/2009 12:19:28 PM

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"I remember that. That was when the Democrat Congress cut $1 billion from child-nutrition funding and gave the USDA 90 days to come up with new standards for school districts to meet that budget.

So, with the number of kids that would throw their veggies away, it was an option that was tossed out there, but with only 90 days there was no time for a higher review of the option.

So l.iberals ever since pin that on Reagan without mentioning the whole story.

Classic Liberals. :p "

Who's omitting the whole story? Let's set things in perspective....

Non-sequiter. Trust me, I'm equally as critical of a lot of things Reagan did...but just pointing out that he has enough to be blamed for without spinning the ketchup thing as some evil Reagan plot to starve our kids to save a few bucks like some are trying to do.

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