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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/20/2009 6:33:52 PM   
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Israel can deviate and I can not?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/20/2009 6:37:25 PM   
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Deviate,in what way?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/20/2009 7:19:08 PM   
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israel isnt trying to be taken seriously on a forum
cest la vie


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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/20/2009 7:37:19 PM   
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israel isnt trying to be taken seriously on a forum
cest la vie

And just who is taking this/him seriously. 

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/21/2009 2:42:02 AM   
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Isreal is not taken seriously when accused of apartheid?

Big brother the USA and Israel where both founded by racists and lead by criminal/racist/terrorist administrations since.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/21/2009 7:34:54 AM   
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Don`t take the bait, regulars.He`ll be shot his own foot soon enough.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/21/2009 8:13:24 AM   
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Don`t take the bait, regulars.He`ll be shot his own foot soon enough.


Whether taking the bait or not, the facts remain the same. They are yours if you want them.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/21/2009 8:20:50 AM   
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Who is big brother?Didn't "Big brother and the holding company" back up Janis Joplin back in the day?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 10:30:51 AM   
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Many diplomats walked out in disgust, stating that such a comment was inappropriate, and especially given the nature of the conference.


Yeah I saw that but what surprised me is why they walked in in the first place. It’s a bit like watching the same DVD more than once I can never understand why people do that or why they expect the outcome to be any different with the same actors doing the same theatre for the same reasons.
 
On the subject of Israel being a racist state I don't know enough about their voting system but it's probably more a case of the nature of the state that the majority of voters are Jewish rather than others being excluded from the vote. The net result is the same if a majority vote is all that counts and the majority is all formed of one religion. That is the same in every country in the world though, politicians in the US rigorously claim to be religious and no politician wants to be seen as secular for same reason.
 
One thing I know, from how I have seen the state conveyed in the popular media, is that there are large differences in how the political parties in Israel see the conflict/how it should be dealt with and that indicates a non racist healthy democracy to me.
 

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 12:38:29 PM   
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Many diplomats walked out in disgust, stating that such a comment was inappropriate, and especially given the nature of the conference.


Yeah I saw that but what surprised me is why they walked in in the first place. It’s a bit like watching the same DVD more than once I can never understand why people do that or why they expect the outcome to be any different with the same actors doing the same theatre for the same reasons.
 
On the subject of Israel being a racist state I don't know enough about their voting system but it's probably more a case of the nature of the state that the majority of voters are Jewish rather than others being excluded from the vote. The net result is the same if a majority vote is all that counts and the majority is all formed of one religion. That is the same in every country in the world though, politicians in the US rigorously claim to be religious and no politician wants to be seen as secular for same reason.
 
One thing I know, from how I have seen the state conveyed in the popular media, is that there are large differences in how the political parties in Israel see the conflict/how it should be dealt with and that indicates a non racist healthy democracy to me.
 


Israel occupies Palestinian land that they consider their own but the international community does not. The Palestinians and others living there are not considered Israeli citizens and are not allowed to vote while the Jewish settlers are allowed to. This results in the government not being representative for the different groups between what Israel sees as their borders. This is not what you describe as a non racist healthy democracy. Most Palestinians furthermore do not have the same rights as all the Jewish citizens have. They for instance are not allowed to own land for a great deal while Jews are.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 1:50:29 PM   
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Hmmm....so the Muslim state of Iran is calling the Jewish state of Israel racist....

Which one is the pot and which one is the kettle?


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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 2:09:47 PM   
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How come they wouldn't allow African Jews to be buried in holy ground ?

Explain the wall, oops, the security fence.

Fact is they engage in apartheid, of that there is no question. However I do not begrudge them this, I just wish that multiculturalism was not forced down the rest of our throats.

Someone who has access to any real news and doesn't realise this is ignorant, and or blatantly an Israel lover. They can do no wrong. This is not the rambling of a madman, the simplest way to find evidence is to simply look at all the UN resolutions that the state of Irael stands in defiance of, with no repercussions I might add. This is a matter of public record. They stand in defiance to some forty odd UN rsolutions, some relating to their treatment if the Palestinians. And I know of no other people who try to influence the body of laws of other countries to prevent criticism of themselves, such as in Germeny.

I also know of no other people who consider themselves seperate, and are openly at the very least seperatists, yet when accused of anything they all the sudden are Semites and it is all anti-Semitic. It's like me bitching that things are not made in America anymore, US citizens are not the only Americans. If your new stuff was made in Mexico it was made in America. It is our hubris that makes us consider ourselves to be the only Americans that mean anything. "Americans are against Chavez" - that is a bunch of BS, Venezuela is part of America.

Not to say anything about Jews, Hebrews or whatever, the government of Israel is a bunch of crooks. There are citizens who defy the government refusing to serve in the occupied territories because of the inhumanity there, they are in Israeli jails. There are Rabbis, note one Yisroel Dovis Wiess, who contends that the state of Israel should not exist, based on the Bible. His followers also have signs that say "Zionism is NOT Judaism". These are Jews. I have nothing to say about the people, they are probably somewhat like us, but the government of Israel is among the nastiest in the world, only on par with our own.

The words of Ariel Sharon provide plenty of evidence of this, but like the words of Obama, his words did not reflect the sentiment of the average Jew on the street, anymore than any of our "leaders" have actually represented us. Thus some villified Jews.

Are ther lying, cheating thieving Jews ? Of course there are. But they do not have a monopoly on it. They get villified because even the honest ones are not seen as such because when it is time to learn, they learn. They are not preoccupied with games and media. The pogroms about Europe throughout time might not have been necessary, taking it on a case by case basis, some would be scortched, but not all. You see my family is alot like them. We do alright. My buddy clammors for a job while I turn one down making literally six times the money. I have no love nor hate in the matter, we are similar. Jews just seem to understand what is important in life, and I have no problem with that. Let then earn what they can and use knowledge to build a good life, I have no problem with that. I have no problem with them being seperatists, I want to be one.

Just don't lie about it and we will be fine. And kit, inform yourself. Alot of Jews are not happy with their government, and that I can understand. But they are as powerless to change the PTB as we are.

I am as dismayed by the actions of the Israeli government as I am by the war in Iraq. And Iran, their Iatollah issuing a worldwode death warrant for - was it Salmon Rushdie ? The guy who wrote Satanic Verses. All of these things are wrong. All in all, it is more of a class war than a race war, when you examine the details.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 2:13:15 PM   
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Term, considering that you are the man who thinks The Protocols are a valid historical document, I take your opinion on the subject of Israel as a bad joke, and nothing else.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 2:25:19 PM   
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Kittin,you assured me this wouldn't get interesting.....

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 2:26:51 PM   
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And my prediction was correct, alas.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 2:29:48 PM   
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Not true,I'm finding it very interesting .

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 2:31:27 PM   
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That's fine kit. Emjoy the darkness. BTW, what about the Bible ? Sharon's own words did not matter ? BenGurion's words did not matter ? The use of DIME bombs does not matter ? The UN resolutions do not matter ? Those laws in Germany don't exist ? Ask Ernst Zundel about that.

The only thing I seem to get from you is that they can do no wrong. You don't even acknowledge KNOWN FACTS, recognized as facts, with evidence, around the world. So sure, I was just joking.

T

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/22/2009 6:18:50 PM   
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You can’t have race based Political Parties in Israel, unlike here. However racism is rampant in Israel not only against Israeli Arabs but among European/American Jews against North African/ African and Russian Jews. Even the ones that lived there for generations get discriminated against.

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 9:29:50 AM   
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dreamy, I am not so sure about that. It depends on how you shoose to take it. The most influential parties there are headed up by Zionists. While the Hebrews fall on whichever side of the fence they may, their choices are as limited as ours.

Their latest PM seems to be alot more moderate than Sharon, but then who wasn't. Sharon openly expressed hatred for the Palestinians and a desire to see them just go away. He also bragged about Israel's extreme influence over the US government, IN PUBLIC. Well his brain exploded one day and as far as I am concerned it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. His bigotry, avarice and hate took that country down a path that they did not need. And now every Jew has to take a bite of the shit sandwich, because they elected him, just like we have to swallow the outcome of electing Bush to his second term.

Just like our elections are a bunch of bullshit, the Jews probably elected Sharon because they saw him as someone who would not give their country away, while they might not be so sure about his opponent. Same thing when we elected Bush the second time, we did not see the monster within. I use the term we because whether you voted for Bush or not, if you are a US citizen you wear the mark of what our country is, and what we have done. And people are aware folks.

There are ex top cabinet officials from the US who now must watch out when they travel because they are subject to arrest by international authorities. Sharon himself was wanted, and if he had been voted out rather than having his brain explode, he would be in the same boat. [Sharon was indicted for war crimes commited in 1982 IIRC]

The thing to remember is that the average Jew on the street over there had no control over the actions of government. If we, Citizens of the US do not want to be judged for the actions of our government, we must afford them the same consideration. However none of this is an excuse. We must find a way to elect real leaders who will represent us. It seems impossible but I am not so sure. Not saying it would be easy, but I think it is still remotely possible.

And I agree that Iran is not really in much of a position to talk. They are among the most seperatist and xenophobic peoples of the world. However, nobody else seemed to mention anything about Israel, why is that ?

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RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president - 4/27/2009 12:44:15 PM   
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He is absolutely right. It is like giving Utah to the Mormons who say all non-whites are bad and will be white again once they accept Jesus as their saviour. Orthodox Jews do not recognize the state Israel. The western world calls Israel a democracy while only Jews are allowed to vote. Israel can have all the arms they want while the Palestinians have no right to a state and should turn the other cheek.
He is absolutely wrong.  Akmandinejad(?) is another of those who feels that one of the ways to assure world peace is through destruction not only of the Jewish state of Israel but destruction of the Jewish people.   This same man is a denier of the Holocaust and also sees another sure step on the way to world peace as being destruction of Western values and beliefs.

His statements regarding Israel, the Jews, Western values and culture make anything else he states suspect. 

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