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Sanity -> Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 6:57:59 AM)


You knew it all along, didn't you. Welcome to the future - where your mind is not your own, and where it has never been your own.

You are owned by the think tanks.


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The problem with global warming, some environmentalists believe, is “global warming.”


The term turns people off, fostering images of shaggy-haired liberals, economic sacrifice and complex scientific disputes, according to extensive polling and focus group sessions conducted by ecoAmerica, a nonprofit environmental marketing and messaging firm in Washington.


Instead of grim warnings about global warming, the firm advises, talk about “our deteriorating atmosphere.” Drop discussions of carbon dioxide and bring up “moving away from the dirty fuels of the past.” Don’t confuse people with cap and trade; use terms like “cap and cash back” or “pollution reduction refund.”


EcoAmerica has been conducting research for the last several years to find new ways to frame environmental issues and so build public support for climate change legislation and other initiatives. A summary of the group’s latest findings and recommendations was accidentally sent by e-mail to a number of news organizations by someone who sat in this week on a briefing intended for government officials and environmental leaders.


(Full article here).



DarkSteven -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 7:11:25 AM)

Yup.  The bailout got renamed a rescue package and eventually a stimulus.

The Patriot Act was a major incursion into civil liberties that out Founders would have been furious at.

Orwell would have been proud.



MarsBonfire -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 7:30:39 AM)

Torture = extreme interrogation techniques

Global warming = climate change

Terrorist surveilance program = warrantless wiretapping of every phone call made within the US.

POW = enemy combatant (therefore not covered by the Geneva Conventions)

Sanity, you're only just NOW realizing what's been happening under you nose for the last eight years?



UncleNasty -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 7:35:57 AM)

So Bush is responsible for NewSpeak?

And I thought it was that bastard Bill Clintons fault.

Uncle Nasty



Lucylastic -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 7:44:57 AM)

George Orwells fault Uncle Nasty...If he hadnt written animal farm and 1984, we would all believe everything we are told and everything we think, this covers more than politics and goes into advertising, news, etc etc etc.
Actually it started with Reagan and Thatcher!!!!!!
[:D]
Good morning everyone
Lucy



Owner59 -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 7:45:42 AM)

Let polluters dump more crap into the air= "Clear Skies Initiative".

The accurate term is "climate change".

But since you`re a "denier" on the issue in the 1st place and not interested in a honest discussion about it,why be concerned with the terms used?



Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 7:50:45 AM)


Good morning everyone.. Lucy, in particular... [:)]

The article I linked to gives several examples of  Republicans using Newspeak a little further down, though Collarchat policy says that I can't paste entire news articles due to copyright laws.

I think that many of the examples given so far are valid, so no, I won't try to argue that it's a left or right thing.

Everybody's doin' it


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Yup.  The bailout got renamed a rescue package and eventually a stimulus.

The Patriot Act was a major incursion into civil liberties that out Founders would have been furious at.

Orwell would have been proud.









DarkSteven -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 7:59:22 AM)

I propose retitling Sanity's efforts here to "The Liberal Posting Initiative".  [:D]



Lucylastic -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:04:52 AM)

I remember reading Orwell in school, I had a wonderful english teacher who pushed us into understanding the subtext, I didnt think much about it for a long time, but remember thinking in 1984 that both books "warnings" had been around a few years. 25 years later we are saturated with it.
And good morning to you tooo Sanity
Lucy



sirrand -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:09:34 AM)

The sad thing is we all can point out the total bullshit that is going on within our government, but NOBODY gets off their ass to do anything about it. We can have a bitch fest for hours, but what is that going to accomplish?



YoursMistress -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:21:48 AM)

I think that obfuscation and justification are near natural consequences of bureaucracy.  Everyone in the organization witnesses the results of speaking the honest, plain truth and learns (often with assistance) to tune the communications to the ear of the recipient.  Exceptions to this tend to be truly exceptional people, in my opinion. 

yours



kdsub -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:25:07 AM)

I don't see your point...We all have goals in our lives and in a group or at an individual level we figure the best way to accomplish it. It is not the think tanks that are evil... it is the intent of evil people.

Sorry sirrand... this was a response to Sanity

Butch



Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:31:54 AM)


What's bad is how so many of us knowingly fall for it. What's even worse is how many are completely fooled...



kdsub -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:42:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What's bad is how so many of us knowingly fall for it. What's even worse is how many are completely fooled...



Not knowingly....and not for long. Yes most people have too many worries in their everyday life to spend the time necessary to analyze every action of their government. But given time they usually see through lies.

Butch



Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:49:28 AM)


Where did you get that term, "deniers" 059...

Did you come up with that one on your own?   [sm=lol.gif]



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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Let polluters dump more crap into the air= "Clear Skies Initiative".

The accurate term is "climate change".

But since you`re a "denier" on the issue in the 1st place and not interested in a honest discussion about it,why be concerned with the terms used?



kdsub -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:50:09 AM)

Just to add Sanity..I have faith in people like you to see through the mass manipulation and express yourself to others. If you are correct then you will change minds... and eventually enough will change their minds or see through the propaganda to make a difference.

Keep it up.. it is the American way.

Butch



MarsBonfire -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 8:57:43 AM)

Yup. Terrible how so many of us sat here and talked about it through most of the Bush regime... and only now you are willing to aknowledge it.

But it's okay... at least now we have a President, and a majority in Congress that will push for repairing the damage to the Constitution. Personally, I'm looking forward to the war crimes trials of Bush and Cheaney and their minions. It may not happen here in the US, but the european courts don't seem to have a problem with doing the right thing.

So, eventually....



Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 9:12:33 AM)


Oh I completely disagree. There are many who unknowingly repeat the latest mantra, and there are many who actively seek out the new terminology as handed down from the think tank gods  in order to push things on us that we wouldn't otherwise accept.

It's how things are organized and how things are done. Where religion once was literally king, Newspeak and think tanks now control the masses.

Same as it ever was...

And I could be wrong on this, but it appears to me to be the case that those on the left are far more susceptible to being manipulated through changes in the use of words than those on the right.

Communism's out. Socialism's out. Liberalism's out. The beautiful people are all Progressives now...

[sm=hippie.gif]


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Not knowingly....and not for long. Yes most people have too many worries in their everyday life to spend the time necessary to analyze every action of their government. But given time they usually see through lies.

Butch




YoursMistress -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 9:25:28 AM)

I don't think Liberals have cornered the market on gullibility, by any stretch of the imagination.  



Sanity -> RE: Reeducating The Masses Through NewSpeak (5/3/2009 9:30:49 AM)


Which, I never claimed they have.

But... who is "Liberal" these days. Isn't everybody except for the two or three  "Neocon" right wing extremists remaining in the Republican party "Progressive" now... [;)]



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ORIGINAL: YoursMistress

I don't think Liberals have cornered the market on gullibility, by any stretch of the imagination.  







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