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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

As many people know, i do not see someone as a slave simply because they decide they have this overwelming need to serve. I see slavery as the mastery and ownership of a woman. Without this, there is no slave. There is simply a woman who likes to serve. Mastery is an action and slave is a reaction. The slave's actions do not a master make. In Gor everything i read has this concept within it. Slaves from what i see in Gor were mastered, harshly on many occassions, they feared the consequences of being displeasing. What i am seeing they reveled in the aspect of being owned by strong Men who kept them chained, kept them with a constant slight quiver of fear in their bellys, kept them serving and being pleasing because the displeasure was not an option the girl wanted to face. The fire in the belly many women speak about came after a woman was owned and mastered. There were slaves who did run away, there were slaves who did not please, there were slaves who felt the whip many times.. but usually it was the whip and the mastery of the Man many times in his furs that made the woman ache to have him find her pleasing, to have her begging to serve him.

The idea of Gorean slavery is mastery of women not women deciding because of some love to serve without being mastered and owed that they are slave. A woman who serves without mastery and ownership is a woman whose actions creates the dynamics. A woman who serves because she is mastered and owned is under the whip of the Man who creates the dynamics.

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Even after the ownership, the mastery is what keeps the girl in her slavery NOT the slave. She may have then ached to please, begged to serve, but it was in REACTION to the action of mastery. To say anything less is negating the constant aspect in a slaves life.. the Men, the Master. Without mastery there is no slavery. I just have a hard time accepting that the Man has nothing to do with a woman's slavery and its the woman's actions that are the actions that keep her slave. Even the best of slave on some level fear the whip if they are not pleasing, the consequences from her Master's displeasure. This fear alone takes away the "slave's belly" as the reason she is slave.. Even the most perfect of slave even the love slave was kept and needs to be kept within the tough bonds of mastery because that mastery MADE her the slave of perfection because of his expectations, that mastery MADE her the love slave. If you take away what made the slave, then you take away the slave and simply leave a woman who enjoys serving and pleasing people. There are billons of people in the world today who do this.. it does not a slave make.

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ORIGINAL: mirya

Greetings, Masters, and Mistresses
hiya, fellow slaves. ~waves~

ooooh breath of fresh air...

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I see slavery as the mastery and ownership of a woman. Without this, there is no slave. There is simply a woman who likes to serve. Mastery is an action and slave is a reaction...

I believe that desire may help them recoginze what they WISH to be.. but without the Man, without the mastery, without the ownership keeping her within the bonds of HIS control, there is simply a woman who likes to service people, which is not slave but simply the feeling of submission.

I see a ~lot~ of girls wandering around online, accountable to no one, claiming to be "slave" with nary a collar to be seen. Funny how that works. I get the concept of consentual slavery, and I try to work within the contructs myself, since my Jarl is not currently in residence, and has not been for over 2.5 years (and yes, it's been supremely difficult...), so I apologize a bit for the seeming hypocrisy, cuz I know I don't really "answer" to him in the same immediate way many (lucky) girls do. Still, I ~do~ know when it's all said and done, I will face him and his reaction to my actions and decisions of the last couple of years, and I hope I've done well enough that he'll be pleased... but that's the crux. I answer to him eventually. I agree you can't be "slave" without somebody holding the key to your collar, at least metaphorically.

respectfully,

~mirya

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ORIGINAL: unownedredhead

I am so glad you said that. You are bordoring on the hypocritical, lol. Your Jarl has moved on...why have you not?

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until then i am only a woman who has yet to find her purpose.

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In response to the basic question here...... "What is a kajira?"...... may i respond just as basicly and say........ 'A kajira is EXACTLY what her Owner says she is'.