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What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 12:00:16 AM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
well they are very shy in making a list of what gor is however.


And for whom would I be making this list? I have absoulutely no interest in trying to teach you how to be a Gorean in ten easy lessons that you can read in the time it takes to take a shit. Even if I could give you something condensed all the way down to a set of rules to follow, it wouldn't be sufficient. If you want to learn what Gorean means, read the books. If you still aren't sure, read them again.


So after 20 years of reading the books, living gor, being around gor friends the best you can do is say you are still not capable of condensing it? as if you have been asleep all the while?

There is no end to the crap these people will put you through if you want to get a simple summary of what gor is "really" about from people who claim to live it only to be continually directed to the fantasy land over and over again.

They tell you to read the books to get the answers and when you do they tell you that you cant take them literally! Like DUH!! roundee round we go!!!

yeh it would have been more than sufficient. you would have answered my questions and i would have gone away feeling i was treated with respect rather than the ongoing jerk around i continue to get.

after stumbling across this while looking for something else i am now satisfied and where did i get it from?

lifestylers? hell no!

if you want bullsh*t come and talk to the lifestylers on here.

Its no wonder people get so frustratred and ticked off at gors.

you will never get a straight answer(s) out of them. In short they dont know!

none of them on this site can give you "real" answers! Just opinions! and we all know what they say about opinions.

read luther if you want to know about gor and forget these guys on here!!!! http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002/id53.htm

Personally from reading this i found that goreans are arrogant, have poor and disrespectful views of humans, while claiming only the best of human traits and characters to be their own. Even tho gors have only been around since 1967ish or so. Luther is worth reading, thats my opinion check it out for yourselves.

sort of takes all the mystery out of it now doesnt it!

there you go leon got what i came for, to bad you and your cronies cant take the credit, and now i am gone! now you can go back to debating gor till your fingers crack and fall off!

hey librarian hes gor he should be buying the beer! LOL

and i did not know carter pills were for liver! LOL

and thanks to especially to the couple of women who really made an effort to answer my question in the context it was asked.


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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 2:13:13 AM   
GingerleeDREAD


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I find it hilarious that you balk at the reading of the books of Gor,
which is the way to go for anyone who has any interest in Gor,
but find Luthers second hand opinion to be so grand. Luthers opinion
is just that, His opinion of Gor and many Goreans do not nessisarly
find His opinions of Gor something to follow along the books of Gor nor their own
opinion. That is why most Goreans here would not give their own opinions
of Gor because the majority of Us prefer to let all gather their own opinions
by reading the books and the author not a second hand opinion of the
life or fantasy how ever you choose to apply it. What if I told you that
Luthers writing were used for fantasy online roleplay only and He never
applyed His writings nor opinions in real life as a real life Gorean ? Then
what would your opinion be of His view of what He read and applied online ?
The Goreans here have gave you the best advise you could get. Read
the same books that they have to learn what Gor is. you have been given
a link to read such for your self and gain and form your own opinions but
it seems that all you want is an opinion of another to hold as your own.
Well it seems you have allready got that with Luthers words so why tempt
to bash Us when you have found what you sought ? And what makes you
think that others seek the same thing as you? I hope that Luthers words
give you all you need to create your world of Gor be it online or in real life.
I wouldent base My Gor off of His opinion. But then again I came befor Him
on the World Wide Web and was Gorean befor the World Wide Web hence
I learned the true way to learn about Gor by first reading the books and getting
to know the Author. Leonidas and I are on different ends of Our beleifs of Gor
however I agree with Him 100% when He says read the books and when you are
done reread them. And for the record when you tempt to bash one Gorean you
are tempting to bash Us all. You dont wanna start Me up...... Looks at the Moderators
with a evil grin...... points a finger at the post up above.



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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 4:59:24 AM   
IronBear


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
well they are very shy in making a list of what gor is however.


And for whom would I be making this list? I have absoulutely no interest in trying to teach you how to be a Gorean in ten easy lessons that you can read in the time it takes to take a shit. Even if I could give you something condensed all the way down to a set of rules to follow, it wouldn't be sufficient. If you want to learn what Gorean means, read the books. If you still aren't sure, read them again.


So after 20 years of reading the books, living gor, being around gor friends the best you can do is say you are still not capable of condensing it? as if you have been asleep all the while?

There is no end to the crap these people will put you through if you want to get a simple summary of what gor is "really" about from people who claim to live it only to be continually directed to the fantasy land over and over again.

They tell you to read the books to get the answers and when you do they tell you that you cant take them literally! Like DUH!! roundee round we go!!!

yeh it would have been more than sufficient. you would have answered my questions and i would have gone away feeling i was treated with respect rather than the ongoing jerk around i continue to get.

after stumbling across this while looking for something else i am now satisfied and where did i get it from?

lifestylers? hell no!

if you want bullsh*t come and talk to the lifestylers on here.

Its no wonder people get so frustratred and ticked off at gors.

you will never get a straight answer(s) out of them. In short they dont know!

none of them on this site can give you "real" answers! Just opinions! and we all know what they say about opinions.

read luther if you want to know about gor and forget these guys on here!!!! http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002/id53.htm

Personally from reading this i found that goreans are arrogant, have poor and disrespectful views of humans, while claiming only the best of human traits and characters to be their own. Even tho gors have only been around since 1967ish or so. Luther is worth reading, thats my opinion check it out for yourselves.

sort of takes all the mystery out of it now doesnt it!

there you go leon got what i came for, to bad you and your cronies cant take the credit, and now i am gone! now you can go back to debating gor till your fingers crack and fall off!

hey librarian hes gor he should be buying the beer! LOL

and i did not know carter pills were for liver! LOL

and thanks to especially to the couple of women who really made an effort to answer my question in the context it was asked.





What an exceptionally rude and ignorant child you are.. You are not worthy of anyone here giving you the best information you could get about NOT ONLINE GOR as Luther does but the real Gorean lifestyle. The people who you insult walk the walk, talk the talk and LIVE THE LIFE, something which you have not the courage to even attempt. Go child, and play in the sandpit with other preschoolers and leave the company of adults.

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 5:50:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

So after 20 years of reading the books, living gor, being around gor friends the best you can do is say you are still not capable of condensing it? as if you have been asleep all the while?

There is no end to the crap these people will put you through if you want to get a simple summary of what gor is "really" about from people who claim to live it only to be continually directed to the fantasy land over and over again.

They tell you to read the books to get the answers and when you do they tell you that you cant take them literally! Like DUH!! roundee round we go!!!

yeh it would have been more than sufficient. you would have answered my questions and i would have gone away feeling i was treated with respect rather than the ongoing jerk around i continue to get.



With all ~due~ respect, your Rant amazed me and I'm not even considered Gorean! Were you asking for "Gor for Dummy's" to be written from a single frame of reference that may or may not offer words you would understand, rather then put the effort into learning what it was to ~You~? I'll quit now since I've overstepped my place and beg the pardon of the Masters who post with an unquestioned Honor.
sigh.........
Q

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 6:26:05 AM   
fyreredsub


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several Masters took the time to make a posts these last few days
with links for you to read
the answers to the questions you sought.

why should they make time for building rudeness,
who are you to demand anything of their time,
which was given and all you had to do was go read-
simple click on the link--
all of us that are Gor R/T,
here on this Earth,
read the books.......

shakes head in absolute amazement

truly you give rude a new meaning(and thats alot coming from this one)

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 6:52:18 AM   
Leonidas


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quote:

So after 20 years of reading the books, living gor, being around gor friends the best you can do is say you are still not capable of condensing it? as if you have been asleep all the while?


I didn't say that I couldn't. I said I'm not going to. You can throw a tantrum all you like, and I'm still not going to, and it wouldn't be much use to you if I did. There are 26 books that you can readily obtain that, if you read them, will give you a grounding in what we are all about. Go read them. If you like what you read, and see yourself there, we have something to talk about. If you don't like what you read, we're wasting each other's time. If you have a specific question to ask, and you can muster up the 'nads to ask it like a man, instead of a whiney little bitch, I might answer you. Until then, you're in my "attention whore" bucket. I don't pay much attention to that bucket, as you might imagine.

quote:

There is no end to the crap these people will put you through if you want to get a simple summary of what gor is "really" about from people who claim to live it only to be continually directed to the fantasy land over and over again.


Did you go to college? Did you walk up to your professors (who presumably knew what they were talking about) and say "hey, bud, I'm too fucking lazy to take your class, so just summarize for me, while I'm standing here, everything you know"? Even if they were inclined to obey you, which isn't likely, would it have done you any good? Nope. You need to do the work. You need to absorb the material, think about it, figure out what it means and how it applies. People who have done the work before you can be good resources for you while you do so, but they can't do the work for you.

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Its no wonder people get so frustratred and ticked off at gors. you will never get a straight answer(s) out of them. In short they dont know!


Hey, you found us out! We don't know shit! Time to go now, isn't it?

quote:

read luther if you want to know about gor and forget these guys on here!!!!


I agree. You should go read Luther. He has just the kind of answers you want.

quote:

there you go leon got what i came for, to bad you and your cronies cant take the credit, and now i am gone! now you can go back to debating gor till your fingers crack and fall off!


I'll have to send luther a thank you note. Good bye, and good luck.



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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 7:41:32 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Good God Leonidas,

Whilst it is true that you and I don't have any time for each other, I take my hat off to you for that post it had just the right touch of contempt and distane as well as displeasure. You remind me of several school teachers in my senior year in a Private School. Salute'

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 8:17:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

and now i am gone!


I know I said I wouild not further reply to your postings, and I really hate to say something and go against what I said, but something is seriously bugging me.

I took you at your word the first time you posted this very message on another thread. I was slightly annoyed by the fact that after posting it, you ignored what you said about being "gone" and posted the same message to a second thread. And then I see yet another thread started by you with a variation of the first two postings. Are you actually going to keep to your word and leave us?

This is just one of many of the things that makes gor "not the same as all other belief systems" they say they honor what we DO honor! I truely hope you are gone and never again reply to anything I say, but I am beginning to doubt it will happen without it being forced by someone elses hand.


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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 10:02:44 AM   
Nosathro


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I personnal must say I find this a bit offense. Is Gor hard to explain, yes it is just as much as it would be hard to a lifestyle BDSM to explain what they do to a Vanilla. It is not about who can crack a whip the best or tie the knot. It is something very deep inside one. It helps to read yes, but with an open mind. Any Lifestyle is something of a personal choice and to explain it to someone else is not very easy.

I wish you well

Nosathro

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 10:53:18 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Tal Nosathro,

At least mate, we don't have to try to explain the SCA or other medieval groupos who also lifestyle to the child.... Heh, I could also immagine a couple of Gunnery Sgts explaining either the Marines, the Specal Forces units or even an instructor explaining the SEALS. I'm thinking that this precocious infant would be the cause of an undisclose number of bottles of JD going south. Mind you, This person may make a reasonable mobile pell to practice with a broad sword on.

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 12:17:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Tal Nosathro,

At least mate, we don't have to try to explain the SCA or other medieval groupos who also lifestyle to the child.... Heh, I could also immagine a couple of Gunnery Sgts explaining either the Marines, the Specal Forces units or even an instructor explaining the SEALS.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro
Tal
It is something very deep inside one. It helps to read yes, but with an open mind. Any Lifestyle is something of a personal choice and to explain it to someone else is not very easy.
Nosathro


Masters, if it's permissible can Q ask a question that will change the tone of this
thread? Master Nosathro mentions how Gor is something from deep within,
while Master Ironbear jokes about the military mind set. I've noticed a number
of Military men with a mind set similar to Gor, yet they say they have never
heard of John Norman, the books, or of a Gorean culture. I'm curious of the
parallel between the two. Can anyone explain?
Thank You for letting me keep sticking my noes in.........
Q

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 2:37:10 PM   
IronBear


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Tal Nosathro,

At least mate, we don't have to try to explain the SCA or other medieval groupos who also lifestyle to the child.... Heh, I could also immagine a couple of Gunnery Sgts explaining either the Marines, the Specal Forces units or even an instructor explaining the SEALS.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro
Tal
It is something very deep inside one. It helps to read yes, but with an open mind. Any Lifestyle is something of a personal choice and to explain it to someone else is not very easy.
Nosathro


Masters, if it's permissible can Q ask a question that will change the tone of this
thread? Master Nosathro mentions how Gor is something from deep within,
while Master Ironbear jokes about the military mind set. I've noticed a number
of Military men with a mind set similar to Gor, yet they say they have never
heard of John Norman, the books, or of a Gorean culture. I'm curious of the
parallel between the two. Can anyone explain?
Thank You for letting me keep sticking my noes in.........
Q


Quivver, lovely lass, Happy to respond.

IMO Gor does reside in the Heart. Even in your soul. When I fist looked at Gor I was told by one who is still a mentor for me and certainly one of my peers and to boot was and still living a Gorean Lifestyle; “ Man be warned that once you start with Gor, I know you, Gor will become a drug and you will never leave, it will become part of your heart, your life and soul”. How true that was. However I digress. Like some others I know I was late coming to Gor after more years than I care to remember in the Military and Paramilitary. If you add this to a background of discipline, honour codes ethics as well as several other things, the raw material was already there. All it took was for me to read the books (or as many as I could lay my hands on) and have numerous discussions with several good Gorean Lifestylers. So I guess the answer is that the Heart is where Gor resides (with some anyway) and the Military Mindset is simply something brought to Gor but probably predetermined some positive responses allowing us to take that second look to understand more. In short I think the Gorean is already within and sometimes likes occupations may prepare you more to take the step and investigate the lifestyle. That’s my view anyway.


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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/4/2006 3:25:46 PM   
Nosathro


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Now that is a good questions and I will answer in my view. I do not believe that it is a prerequisite to have a military background to be Gorean or SCA/Renaissance Faire Guild Members. However, the Military Units that Iron Bear states hold high a value system that center around Honor and Respect, as Gor does. This is similuar for the SCA and Renaissance Faire Guilds, they focus on a period of history were such a value system was inplace, Honor was everything, Respect was demended. In all that I have stated there is also a high social structure, and that all belong to something. I hope I have answered your question.

I wish you well

Nosathro


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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/5/2006 4:09:59 PM   
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And here I thought this would be an educational piece that I could actually learn something from.

Not to discredit the responses that have been given...especially in regards to Quivver's question because I had often wondered that too.

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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/15/2006 6:44:47 AM   
starshineowned


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"So after 20 years of reading the books, living gor, being around gor friends the best you can do is say you are still not capable of condensing it?"

As silly as it probably will sound..this has to be the best answer. What Gor is or isn't can only be determined by your own identifications and interpretations of what you read in the books as you read them. Though Mr. Norman was kind enough to take a vast array of philosophys from many cultures throughout history and modern times, and I would think one's hopefully that meant something to himself rather than just used soley to support his fiction books for sale..they are still just that..philosophys.

I am learning this to that to try and seek concrete answers or lists or even complete agreement would be doing nothing more than asking someone to live your life for you based on their belief system..not yours.

Thankyou in advance

starshine
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RE: What you really need to know about gor - 2/15/2006 9:09:30 AM   
GingerleeDREAD


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quote:

There is no end to the crap these people will put you through



The real One just wanted to put Us thru what IT went thru ITs self obviously in ITs search for answers that dident conclude in the way IT wanted. I say IT because there
is no profile to the name and well ITs picture seems to say it all to Me. I take pleasure
in being one of * These People * and putting IT thru obviously what ever IT was...... What you really need to know about IT, The real One. ( walks off singing~~ oneee
is the lonelist number........)


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