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Sanity -> Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 8:46:33 PM)


I have a problem with this. At a time when many left-of-center types are screaming that churches should lose their tax exemptions if they dare to endorse political causes (read Conservative causes), John Kerry is proposing a new tax exemption for (primarily) Liberal newspapers.

Anybody else have a problem with this development? Am I wrong in seeing this as a huge double standard? Or, should churches and newspapers be tax exempt, regardless of what is preached from the news room or from the pulpit...

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U.S. senators consider options for ailing newspapers

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. government could provide tax breaks for newspapers or allow them to operate as nonprofits to help the struggling business survive, Sen. John Kerry said Wednesday.

Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, said Congress can help the industry hit by a collapse in advertising revenue, debt that is getting harder to repay and the drift of print subscribers to free online news websites.

Without newspapers, Kerry and other lawmakers said at a Senate subcommittee hearing Wednesday, there will be too few journalists investigating governments, companies and individuals.

"I think there are definitely some things we can do to encourage, to help the situation without stepping over any line," Kerry told Reuters after holding a hearing on the future of journalism.

Kerry, chairman of the Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Communications, was referring to the idea that federal, state and local governments should not offer subsidies or other financial help to newspapers because it would make them beholden to politicians. This, in turn, could discourage critical stories or investigations. Kerry's interest in newspapers sharpened in the past several weeks. The Massachusetts Democrat counts The Boston Globe as his hometown paper, and was dismayed to see that parent company New York Times Co was ready to shut it down because it is losing money.

(Full article here).








Owner59 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 8:59:45 PM)

Liberal?

Says who?

Since more that half of the paper is sports and financial news (and a ton of ads),the charge of a bias falls kinda flat.





CruelNUnsual -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 9:08:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Liberal?

Says who?

Since more that half of the paper is sports and financial news (and a ton of ads),the charge of a bias falls kinda flat.




Only to those with their heads in a toxic waste dump. There have been numerous studies by Universities that lean left to start with demonstrating it.




Owner59 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 9:35:53 PM)

sure......studies.....numerous ones even.....does that include Fox,the media arm of the RNC?




Lorr47 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 9:40:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I have a problem with this. At a time when many left-of-center types are screaming that churches should lose their tax exemptions if they dare to endorse political causes (read Conservative causes), John Kerry is proposing a new tax exemption for (primarily) Liberal newspapers.

Anybody else have a problem with this development? Am I wrong in seeing this as a huge double standard? Or, should churches and newspapers be tax exempt, regardless of what is preached from the news room or from the pulpit...

quote:

U.S. senators consider options for ailing newspapers

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. government could provide tax breaks for newspapers or allow them to operate as nonprofits to help the struggling business survive, Sen. John Kerry said Wednesday.

Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, said Congress can help the industry hit by a collapse in advertising revenue, debt that is getting harder to repay and the drift of print subscribers to free online news websites.

Without newspapers, Kerry and other lawmakers said at a Senate subcommittee hearing Wednesday, there will be too few journalists investigating governments, companies and individuals.

"I think there are definitely some things we can do to encourage, to help the situation without stepping over any line," Kerry told Reuters after holding a hearing on the future of journalism.

Kerry, chairman of the Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Communications, was referring to the idea that federal, state and local governments should not offer subsidies or other financial help to newspapers because it would make them beholden to politicians. This, in turn, could discourage critical stories or investigations. Kerry's interest in newspapers sharpened in the past several weeks. The Massachusetts Democrat counts The Boston Globe as his hometown paper, and was dismayed to see that parent company New York Times Co was ready to shut it down because it is losing money.

(Full article here).


I have seen proposals in Michigan to exempt newspapers from taxation, whether liberal or conservative.  A question I have is that a lot of newspapers seem to own radio and tv stations.  Would everything become tax exempt?  I am not in favor of the movement in any case.








gman992 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 10:28:49 PM)

Yes, it should tell everyone how to think...what to say...how to vote...Obama is God...Obama is God...




DanaYielding -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 10:34:20 PM)

Since more that half of the paper is sports and financial news (and a ton of ads),the charge of a bias falls kinda flat.

Really? My local paper is roughly 40% local news, 30% national/international news, 10% sports, 10% financial and 10% classifieds




Owner59 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 10:34:47 PM)

Never saw that.

Just which papers are you reading?.......[8|]




Owner59 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 10:37:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DanaYielding

Since more that half of the paper is sports and financial news (and a ton of ads),the charge of a bias falls kinda flat.

Really? My local paper is roughly 40% local news, 30% national/international news, 10% sports, 10% financial and 10% classifieds


So what`s "liberal" about local and national/international news, as the OP suggests(is paranoid about)?




DanaYielding -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 10:41:42 PM)

the Ed/Op pages




Owner59 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 10:49:14 PM)

Can we exclude foreigners from this?[:D]

Murdoch hints at job cuts after News Corp records $6.4bn loss
Media group reports 42% fall in operating income for three months to December

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/feb/05/rupert-murdoch-news-corporation-records-loss

I guess downturns don`t have a liberal bias.......[:D]




DanaYielding -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 10:54:20 PM)

This is not a matter of liberal vs conservatism in newpapers, it is market influence. The newspapers are quickly becoming obsolete in today's instant news i.e. blogosphere, the web et al. They are not adapting quickly enough to market conditions and many are competing against themselves by having their own daily editions on the net free of charge.




Owner59 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 11:02:11 PM)

I agree.

I`m being sarcastic to ridicule the OP and liberal bias weirdness.




CruelNUnsual -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 11:07:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

sure......studies.....numerous ones even.....does that include Fox,the media arm of the RNC?


I guess you dont know what "university" means.




DomKen -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 11:07:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I have a problem with this. At a time when many left-of-center types are screaming that churches should lose their tax exemptions if they dare to endorse political causes (read Conservative causes)

I note that you were silent when the previous administration went after liberal churches for accusations of endorsing political candidates (which is actually what is disallowed BTW).

I also note that when I showed that this had been going on in the previous thread you simply abandoned the thread.




Owner59 -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 11:13:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

sure......studies.....numerous ones even.....does that include Fox,the media arm of the RNC?


I guess you dont know what "university" means.


university studies,even.....


impressive.......                                                                                             not..




CruelNUnsual -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/6/2009 11:28:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

sure......studies.....numerous ones even.....does that include Fox,the media arm of the RNC?


I guess you dont know what "university" means.


university studies,even.....


impressive.......                                                                                             not..


Whats impressive is your ability to avoid discussing facts when they disagree with your moveon mentality. If UCL:A and Harvard arent credible in your eyes then there is no use discussing anything with you.




Sanity -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/7/2009 6:31:34 AM)


Prove that "Bush" unfairly went after liberal churches... I think you pulled that one out of your back pocket.

And try to prove that I was silent about it over the last eight or so years. [:D]

(Even if I was, just because someone doesn't publicly comment on something doesn't indicate that they support it).

This kind of trollish behavior on your part is the reason I ignore your posts for the most part, Ken. If I abandoned the thread it was simply because there were no more posts that were worth responding to!


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I note that you were silent when the previous administration went after liberal churches for accusations of endorsing political candidates (which is actually what is disallowed BTW).

I also note that when I showed that this had been going on in the previous thread you simply abandoned the thread.




Sanity -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/7/2009 6:45:21 AM)


The Boston Globe and The New York Times are certainly very liberal, practically liberal shrines... and the cited article leads me to believe that those are the very newspapers that John Kerry is the most concerned about. To me, this is on the order of George Bush offering Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter tax exempt status.

There is very little difference.

And even if these newspapers didn't preach the liberal gospel, still they have opinion pages and they endorse political candidates and causes which is supposed to be the reason a church would lose its exemption. 

Why should politically active newspapers be tax exempt if politically active churches cannot be? This is obviously a case of quid pro quo, in my opinion - and I guarantee you, the left would scream if a Conservative were floating an idea to try  anything like this.


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ORIGINAL: DanaYielding

This is not a matter of liberal vs conservatism in newpapers, it is market influence. The newspapers are quickly becoming obsolete in today's instant news i.e. blogosphere, the web et al. They are not adapting quickly enough to market conditions and many are competing against themselves by having their own daily editions on the net free of charge.




DarkSteven -> RE: Should Government Subsidize The News? (5/7/2009 6:52:36 AM)

OMFG.

No way.  On several levels.

1.  I'm plenty unhappy about the funding of the NEA.  Arguments over what KIND of art should be funded, etc... This looks worse. 

2. The problems are that the Internet is a free alternative to print media, and that advertisers are tightening their belts.  The bill addresses neither of those.

3. Print media kills trees.  Internet does not.

4. I was up in arms when Bush proposed his faith based initiatives.  I want religions to be focused on devotion and meeting social needs.  I do NOT want them to be spending their resources writing proposals and worrying about how their actions will play in Washington.

The concept of a media that is not independent scares me.






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