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When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/8/2006 5:20:19 AM

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Have, show, act, weak, less than or lacking Dominance/Strenth in the eyes of a Free Dominant Woman of Gor, ( which are NOT the same eyes that a slave looks at a Free Man of Gor. )

Is it wrong/right to show distaste for such things?
Is it wrong/right to desire a Man stronger then a Womans self ?
Is it wrong/right to belittle that which We perceive as that which
would be better suited in Our colar if not stronger in Our eyes?
Is it not the right/wrong of a Free Woman to expect those who say,
I am a Gorean Free Man to be able to handle such Woman
as My self or back away if they cannot?
Is it wrong/right to hold back a Free Womans Strenths just because the Free Men around Her are weaker?

I seek answers from the Free Men of Gor who would perceive Themselfs a stronger Male to My Self for better referance into the mindset of such. In
other words Alphas. Alltho all can answer these questions I wish to hear from
those who Self perceptions/living surround that of My Own Self perceptions/living. And who incorporate Their BDSM/Poly/Gor/kinks views and life structure around such issues.

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/8/2006 9:39:50 AM

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Tal Dread,

Let's start with the supposition that there is such a thing as a Free Dominant Woman.....given the Natural Order as describe by Norman, such a thing does not exist. All women inherit a submissive nature. Society perverts some of them into a position of forced pseudo-dominant behavior, but that is not even remotely the same thing as what Free Men have inherited. It is at best that cheap plaid suit worn by most used car salesmen where women and even pseudo dominance are concerned.

As for your first question, to what things are you referring.

As for the second question, right and wrong do not enter into things. Nature dictates that a woman should look for a strong man to protect, defend and support her. It is just that simple, and that applies to both "free women" perverted by this society into unnatural lines, and "slaves" who have accepted the call of their nature.

On your third question - Once again, right and wrong do not enter into the equation, pointing out your nature, and your aberrations from that nature are not belittling a "free woman". Fact is fact, and truth is truth. It is only the truth unwanted that is veiwed in a negative light.

It usually has nothing to do with being weaker or stronger where a "free woman" is concerned. There are those who get it, and those who choose to try to remake Gorean Philosophy in their own image. Those, I have a simple policy about. I will tell you once that you are incorrect in your analysis of what Norman was getting at, and then you are on your own. My time is better spent on women who want to embrace their nature, rather than fighting endless battles with women who choose to try to refute that nature. You are doing nothing with your refutation except wasting time. Nature does not care that free women think Nature should be different than it is, and since this is Earth, and I canot just fly to wherever the free woman is and stick a collar on her neck to prove her conclusively in error, I am loth to waste time on trying to do so verbally since that mostly equates to pissing into the wind, and a wise man chooses not to piss into a wind. All that is ever accomplished is pissing on yourself.

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/8/2006 9:49:06 AM

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My only comment related not oly to the Gorean lifestyle or even to the wider BDSM lifestyle but to society generally. More often the reaction of other men and I mean real men when a man fucks up is more devistating to him than the reaction of the women folk. Generally if some one screws the pooch, people will treat him differently (depending on how forgiving they are) and my start to either avoid him or at least take him less seriously. Most of us at one stage or another have exoerienced this. Life is harsh and a great teacher if you have the courage to learn and move on. People will forget and even forgive past mistakes of one who has demonstrated that he was man enough to take it on the chin and move op and upwatds with his life. Those males who act like pussy whipped puppies after screwig up and not men and should be made to wear skirts (no bloody kilts, it takes a man to wear a kilt and kee secret the mystries of what is worn beneath it!)

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/8/2006 7:03:01 PM

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Greetings Everyone,

Heya Dread...I am going to give you my, Free Woman take on this issue. It's been the subject of much table talk in our circle and it breaks down like this:

The difference between a Free Companion and a slave is an extremely fine line. By nature, I have to disagree with Omega, there are definitely alpha females. I am such, clearly you are such. There are alpha females through out nature. Pack dynamics depend upon them as much as they do alpha males.
The distinction between a Gorean Free Companion and any other woman roaming about Earth, is that a Gorean Free Woman will without any shadow of a doubt, submit to a Gorean Man who is her Superior. Gorean slaves will submit, or rather denuflect, to Gorean men as a whole. A Gorean Free Woman will not, and can not naturally do so to anything but her Superior.
Put in the simplest of terms...I find my Husband and Free Companion overpoweringly attractive and HE CAN KICK MY ASS. Period. It's that simple for us.
Sexual attraction+physical superiority. This is how good strong genes perpetuate themselves. It has always been and will always be so.
I have taken years to understand what and who I am. Those of you who have seen me here for three plus years; or who lived with us on Hood/Polk/Lewis know how many years I spent as kajira at the feet of good Men. The plain truth is, I am not slave. And they were the ones who declared it and pulled me kicking and screaming into Freedom.

This is how I know the truth to be.

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/8/2006 9:31:55 PM

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Greetings MistressDread,

Just a little note to say i find it terribly hard to read Your posts due to the color of the font. Don't know if anyone else is having the same difficulty.

Regards
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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/8/2006 11:24:40 PM

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Tal and greetings to all,

I read this post and the only thing that comes to my mind is that Dread so wants to find her Master, but has not met him yet.

But I will give My opinion on your questions.

-Is it wrong/right to show distaste for such things?

It's wrong to do this, we call it arrogance, which is always self destructive. Why should a proud, strong, dominant person look down on others with distaste? Just because they are not quite so strong? Bah! Stop being so self centered.

- Is it wrong/right to desire a Man stronger then a Womans self ?

RedDragon answered this perfectly. I will say however, that I'm not one of those who believes that "ALL" women are slaves, but that is a different discussion.

- Is it wrong/right to belittle that which We perceive as that which
would be better suited in Our colar if not stronger in Our eyes?

To this I would say, don't you have anything better to do? I see no honor in belittling people, unless you're looking for a fight. (Always a good way to start one hehe)

- Is it not the right/wrong of a Free Woman to expect those who say,
I am a Gorean Free Man to be able to handle such Woman
as My self or back away if they cannot?

I think this is your choice Dread, but I ask you, what purpose does it serve to persue someone you feel cannot handle you? I also think it is wrong to expect that any Gorean Man should be happy with any type of woman. There's nothing wrong with a little correctional disipline once in a while(sexy crazy fun GROWL), but bottom line is, this ain't Gor this is Earth. I don't have a sack full of bosk dung to tie you up in all night to show you I'm not kidding around, and I can't send you to Ar to be trained by a professional slaver. This is something you do becuse, in your heart, you know this is who you are and you've accepted it. I can drag you to the door in chains, but if it's going to mean anything, you must choose to walk through it or not.

-Is it wrong/right to hold back a Free Womans Strenths just because the Free Men around Her are weaker?

An excellent question Dread, it cuts right to the heart of what it means to be a Gorean Man in relation to women. Whenever discussing Gor, I always say, look at nature. In nature nothing is wasted, grass grows, feeds the grass eaters, carnivors eat the grass eaters, the carcass feeds the grass. My womans strengths make my house stronger, which honors me. So I honor her for that. If you've been hanging with men who make you hold back your strengths because they fear you, then I think you should find better men to hang with. If you feel you must hold yourself back because you think it will shame the men in your life, then you're dishonoring them, give them some credit.

Now for all I know, you could be the CEO of a multinational corporation, that would make it a little difficult to find a man with more power, influence and resources than you. But would you consider him weaker because of that?

I think it would help if you told us what you consider to be weakness.

I wish you well

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/9/2006 1:17:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Greetings MistressDread,

Just a little note to say i find it terribly hard to read Your posts due to the color of the font. Don't know if anyone else is having the same difficulty.

Regards
slave jali

If only the colour of the font is bugging you then you are doing well, I fing the whole font and writing and size of it so bad. They are always long and because of the set up very hard to read. I hate to say I have started skimming and skipping hers all together. My eyes have a lot of trouble adjusting to them. Sorry MistressDrean, I means no disrespect

Respectufully

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/10/2006 10:22:12 AM

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Society perverts some of them into a position of forced pseudo-dominant behavior

I have a differing opinion on this. I know fully that it was the Gorean Men in My Life that solidly molded Me into that which I am today.
( besides being born from good Dominant stock. ) I define My self based off of what They stated I am. I want to go further in My outlook and opiinion to this but desire to give others a chance to repond yet. ThankYou Omega for Your opinion

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I find it also amusing/sad that You do not find any value in My questions.( I dont see where any argument lies ) This is after all a Forum to gain opinions and express such and for You to feel that none of My questions are of any importance to the Goreans of the world and Alpha Female Goreans in particular shows Your Own short cummings. Do I anoy You ? Since I have it on a very good authority that I am a good Gorean Free Woman of Extream Dominance and have been such for 29 years now ( gosh another years passed ) I think My questions have value and the discussion of them are not a waste.
ThankYou for Your opinion Sabrina

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I read this post and the only thing that comes to my mind is that Dread so wants to find her Master, but has not met him yet.

Actually Whitelight I am the Twice Widow of Two Gorean Masters of My Poly Home, both passing with in a year of One another. The First, Alpha Gorean I was FCed to for 27 years the Second Beta Gorean was brought into Our Home and I was FCed to Him for 16 years. I have headed My Gorean Poly Home of 16 sence as the only remaining Free. Yes I again seek Alpha Gorean Masters. But I have yet to find any who Come close to that which I lost. ThankYou for your opinion Whitelight.

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/10/2006 4:10:16 PM

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Tal Dread,

Don't thank me, thank John Norman. The idea that I presented was right out of his formulations in the books. Within the framework of Gorean thought, there can certainly be alpha women, but that alpha designation would only apply with respect to other women. You have to understand that many of us Free Men can see no dominance in any woman, and that has largely to do with a perspective that is so biologically attuned in its masculine dominant character that no woman could be dominant where we are concerned.

Be well,

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/10/2006 5:45:22 PM

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Have, show, act, weak, less than or lacking Dominance/Strenth in the eyes of a Free Dominant Woman of Gor, ( which are NOT the same eyes that a slave looks at a Free Man of Gor. )

You seen any of those around here?

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Is it wrong/right to show distaste for such things?

It's right. Just like it's right for the man who is the target of her distate to bitch-slap her into next Tuesday if he takes offense. Do you want to talk about right, or what you can get away with?

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Is it wrong/right to desire a Man stronger then a Womans self ?

It's right. Whether you could attract one is a whole other question. Just because you act a bitch doesn't oblige some man to take enough interest to break you of it.

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Is it wrong/right to belittle that which We perceive as that which would be better suited in Our colar if not stronger in Our eyes?

It's right. Just make sure that you are doing so from the safety of your keyboard, or that you have some men stronger than the one you are belittling at your back.

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Is it not the right/wrong of a Free Woman to expect those who say, I am a Gorean Free Man to be able to handle such Woman as My self or back away if they cannot?

Able and willing aren't the same thing. Any Gorean man worth his salt would size up the prize that awaits at the end of the effort. Some women, you just don't want to handle, however tempting the prospect may be at the moment.

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Is it wrong/right to hold back a Free Womans Strenths just because the Free Men around Her are weaker?

This reminds me of the Groucho Marx quote "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member". Find yourself a better class of men, if they'll have you among them.

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I seek answers from the Free Men of Gor who would perceive Themselfs a stronger Male to My Self for better referance into the mindset of such.

I'm going to guess that just about any male around here is going to consider themselves a stronger male than you are. I could be wrong about that though.

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RE: When Free Men of Gor...... - 2/11/2006 3:04:38 AM

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You have to understand that many of us Free Men can see no dominance in any woman, and that has largely to do with a perspective that is so biologically attuned in its masculine dominant character that no woman could be dominant where we are concerned

I wholly understand this and I know some of the Gorean Men here do as well how even the alternate lifestyle public at large dont understand this nor those who come to Gor anew and look at Us from eyes and a understanding thats quite counter to the way that We beleive. Pulling this kind of responce out of Men who understand the Extream Dominance issues of Gor and a natural order in terms that the normal public can understand and comprehend tho is hard as hell. It only took two responces for You to define it clearer Omega ~smiles~
Leonidas

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You seen any of those around here?

Yes I know a few, but dont We all?

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It's right. Just like it's right for the man who is the target of her distate to bitch-slap her into next Tuesday if he takes offense. Do you want to talk about right, or what you can get away with?

The Men I were refering to in this comment wouldent have the demeanor nor guts to do anything. Hence the distaste being shown of such.

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It's right. Whether you could attract one is a whole other question

Does not Dominance naturally attract and desire Dominance?

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It's right. Just make sure that you are doing so from the safety of your keyboard

I was speaking in terms of real life not roleplay but I guess it could apply to that as well.

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Some women, you just don't want to handle, however tempting the prospect may be at the moment.

Why is that?

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I'm going to guess that just about any male around here is going to consider themselves a stronger male than you are. I could be wrong about that though.

Hence My saying those who perceive such, There are actually Men who claim to be Gor who think counter to Our way of mindset.

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