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Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/10/2006 5:34:12 PM

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I’m curious how many of the Gorean Free Men are also involved with any of the medieval groups and participate I the combat areas. For those who do, have you or do you get together with likeminded Gorean Lifestylers or other suitable folk and fight using the weapons and coded of the Rari? For those who haven’t but thought about it, it can be a whole heap of fun. I’m also curious what others have to say on this.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/10/2006 5:57:13 PM

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Being other, and welcome to reply, I am involved in martial arts (it aint as romantic as the books when you get older...btw) I can give a good account of myself to most my age; having really fought face-to-face for a living before, I can tell you that I am not the man I was a year ago, let alone a decade...
I think that any reasonably apt 21 to 30 year old in excellent condition with a modicum of street smarts (they are not as numerous as one might think) that could stay even with me real-time in a real fight for 15 seconds would have me begging for him to kill me at 16 seconds because of the pain, but he would know he was in the fight of his life for those 15.

But I rather enjoy it..........

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/10/2006 5:59:10 PM

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I’m curious how many of the Gorean Free Men are also involved with any of the medieval groups and participate I the combat areas. For those who do, have you or do you get together with likeminded Gorean Lifestylers or other suitable folk and fight using the weapons and coded of the Rari? For those who haven’t but thought about it, it can be a whole heap of fun. I’m also curious what others have to say on this.

The Tuchux and the Kassar are two groups who fight in the SCA here in the states who fight as "Goreans". The Kassar are actually a lifestyle group who live in one big clan. The Tuchux are more weekend warriors who restrict their "Gorean-ness" to their play acting. I personally stopped fighting when they stopped paying me to do it. Doing it for free wouldn't be my idea of an enjoyable weekend.

There isn't enough of the codes of the Warriors in the books to fight by. Just a few oblique descriptions of them and a few aphorisms is all you'll find in the books. There are lots of different kinds of weapons described in the books, but they wouldn't be a whole lot different from what SCA folks in general use. The Priest-Kings proscribed body armor, so I guess your Gorean play-fighers (if they wanted to be true to the books) would get a whole lot more bruised up than the other guys.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/10/2006 6:13:49 PM

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Tal Leonidas,

Actually, I was thinking more of the metal weapons groups rather then the SCA who as you lnpw use, for example, rattan swords. I'm also used to fighting with a bastard sword, a 10lb broad sword, a viking sword and a variety of axes both one and two handed. I have a close friend who was trained with the scimitar in the middle east by one of the few remaining scim masters. he tells me that the scim handles and floats similar to a katana which I have some degree of expertese in. For me and I'm guessing I won't be alone here in Aussie, such medieval or older combat is a sport and enjoyable. I have to agree with your thoughts that you quit fighting when they stopped paying you to do so. I understand that for most fighting is not an enjoyable weekend. I always am reminded that if for example, you and I faced off with a glasdius and shield each, my aim is to kill you but I have to not injure you as you need to go to work the next vday to pay for your hobbies.... Still for some of us we enjoy it and salute those who dont.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/10/2006 10:49:09 PM

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Tal Iron Bear
I belong to the SCA which use rattan swords. I also belong to the Adrain Empire. They use real steel and require full protection. However, they also allow Fantasy Groups to fight with in certain safety limits, for insureance reasons. I have met with some Goreans that do fight using shot swords of wood and armor that is described in the books, so that is about as close to Gor as safety and insurance will allow. Also I don't think anyone has varts so that one is out of question. I must confess my perferred style is Rapier using schlarger blade and either a buckler or parring dagger.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 12:26:59 AM

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Tal Nosathro,

It is easy to have a sword smith make you a gladius and or a Torvy axe. Speads are dead easy as are shields. When I fight with a selected few for fun at home, the pnly protection are leather gloves. The injuries are not only few and far between but mere scratched too. We are experienced with fighting each other and do so at full spead in 1/4 light so the sparks can be seen with the clash of steel blades. Strangely, the only real injuries I've sustained fighting metal weapons has been fighting rookies in traiing bouts. I'm still trying to fugure out how my hand and fingers were torn and bleeding like a stick pig through stainless steel articulated gauntlets.

Ok, you mentioned armour as described in the books... Could you do me a favouyr and point me to the description of Gorean armour.. I was under the impression that armour was forbidden on Gor, but I just may not have picked up on that when I was reading a month or so ago.... Am just curious.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 3:27:48 AM

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I am no Man but have been an active Fencing fanatic and jouster duelling for many years with
many wins under My belt from both Men and Woman.
As I had discussed with Nosathro befor I enjoy My foils and sabre to His epee. I enjoy sparring
to the likes of Kalaripayitt and Maculele mixed in with a lil martial arts and dance.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 4:12:48 AM

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Tal Dread,

I enjoy other forms of sword work including sabre and epee of which I used tio have one without a point guard and a razored tip for dueling to first blood. The katana is my first choice of bladded weapon, yet I dont iclude these in the subject under discussion for I can find no reference to them in the books I have to hand. For me it would be amusing to be able to fight a tournament using the primary weapons of Gor in a metal weapon's senario....

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 4:17:21 AM

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Tal Brother Bear,

I've never been in sca, or r/p combat, but for what it's worth, in my branch of Warfare specialty, we used to practise with all kinds of edged weapons, including combat knives, sabers, long swords, rapiers, epees, and gladii. It was always quite a workout. I remember, we used a marking dye on the blade edges, and on the tip protectors. This was also common practise amongst your very own, and loveable ANZACs. I loved the time I spent with those crazy f......nevermind.

Interestingly the one weapon we were prohibited from using on each other was the entrenching tool, which I came up against in r/t, in a dusty , mountainous country that the US is currently involved in. I happened across a Speznatz trooper, and man, he was tough going. This was in the '80's. Anyway, back to subject, we did't use armor, except for gloves and face shield.

I also don't remember armor being used on Gor, except, of course the helmet, and buckler.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 4:30:53 AM

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Tal Brother Ferdinand,

Hell yes, I trained in much the same way, but we have things in common in our history I suspect... I also used to carry a katana in combat at times, especially night ops for logical reasons.....

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 9:14:31 AM

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Tal Iron Bear
By armor I referr to the helms, typically a Roman, Greek stlye helm, it is modified with a front bars like a US Football helmet and a perferrated steel mesh welded to the bars. Those who favor the Torvy were the Viking style helms with the same modifications. Some were as armor a leather skirt as the Romans and Greeks wore and a top like the leather ones wore by Romans. This is based on not what the books said rather what they did not say. We know Armor and chain mail was outlawed by the Priest Kings but since Gor is around this time in earth history some have taken liberties. And again in order for us to keep our insurance.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 9:24:36 AM

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Tal Mistress Dread
In my post I was referring to my schlarger blade rather then my epee (which I love very much) I have three types of schlarger blades. one is a type used in movies that can be drawn, it point is rounded and dull. The other two are far heavier than a epee, foil or saber. They come in a 32 inch lenght and a 40 inch lenght. the tips are blunted and a large rubber tip can be fixed to it. If using a epee I am only required a 3style fencing mask and gloves. With a schlarger I must include a gamberson, gorja, knee and elbow pades. I will say this protection is not compliet. In one spar my oppent hit me in the mask. We continued our spar for another 20 minutes when we finished I removed my mask to the surprise of all. My face was covered in blood, his blow hit me so hard the wire mesh was pressed against my cheek that it broke the skin rather deeply. I still have a checkers scar and a good Sword Brother.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 10:02:07 AM

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Im sorry for entering this forum again, but I couldnt resist this post.

When I was young a few cousins and I used to play with my uncles collection of daggers, swords and guns. He was alittle fanatical in his religion and beleived all children should be trained how to defend oneself. I know basic offense and defensive moves. I learned it the painful way and have scars all around my shoulders and upper arms. Its been awhile but I would love to start training again. Would a slave be allowed to train, and hold a weapon ready to defend her master? I doubt it, though.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 11:22:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: ShivaTS

Would a slave be allowed to train, and hold a weapon ready to defend her master? I doubt it, though.

The only time I can remember where slaves armed themselves and stood beside thir Masters was in the defence of Port Kar. So it has been done but not as being the norm.. Like your uncle, I want my entire home Free and slave to kbow at least the basics of self defence with and without a weapon.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/11/2006 2:03:09 PM

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That is right. The slave of Port Kar did take up weapons to assist in the defense of their new homestome. I guess this means I still get to keep my rifle and do a little hunting

. An extra pair of eyes and hands on a hunting trip can be very helpful.

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/12/2006 1:30:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

The Tuchux and the Kassar are two groups who fight in the SCA here in the states who fight as "Goreans". The Kassar are actually a lifestyle group who live in one big clan.

Tal,

Is there anyway that you know of that I could contact the Kassar? I would love to see them fight. I am sweet and as harmless as a declawed kitten, giggle.

dina

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/12/2006 5:59:48 AM

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both Gorean Masters i have known,
allowed me to still wish to keep on hunting and camping and...
being both were Warrior caste,
since 9-11,
it is feasible for a woman that a slave to have knowledge of weaponry in this day and age when she can not be with Master 24/7 and their is children and a home to protect.

i sit out on a stretch of acreage, if strangers get past the fence and dogs,
well.........grrrrrrrrrrrrr me teeth are out in a sweet smile no less.......

besides i have taught my boys how to shoot and i got my first winchester rifle when i was 10 for xmas.

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ORIGINAL: unownedredhead

That is right. The slave of Port Kar did take up weapons to assist in the defense of their new homestome. I guess this means I still get to keep my rifle and do a little hunting. An extra pair of eyes and hands on a hunting trip can be very helpful.

Respectfully,

dina

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/12/2006 9:11:15 AM

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For me it would be amusing to be able to fight a tournament using the primary weapons of Gor in a metal weapon's senario

And for Me an amusing tournament to watch. ~smiles!~

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/12/2006 1:03:05 PM

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greetings
As I recall there were "Fighting Slaves" both male and female. The most common weapon were spiked gloves. The SCA has pretty much banned all steel weapons which is why Adria was formed. unowned if you want I would be happy to teach you sword fighting..along with other things heh, heh, heh, heh

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RE: Gorean Combat (for fun) today - 2/12/2006 10:04:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: GingerleeDREAD

quote:

For me it would be amusing to be able to fight a tournament using the primary weapons of Gor in a metal weapon's senario

And for Me an amusing tournament to watch. ~smiles!~

Indeed Gingerlee, It would be pleasant to have you and unownedredhead as guests watching such a tournament. I think it would be very similar to the training spars I fight (when I can find suitable bodies with weapons skills to play with). I immagine you both may enjoy the grunting and groaning and other comments when contact is made as well as lively (anglosaxon) descriptive phrases used to goad the oponents into a combat frenzy, the smell of sweating semi naked male bodies and even at times the sight of blood. All to be followed by a suitable feast and lots of liquid refreshment..... Not to different to what I read about in the books.

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