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MissDominae -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/11/2009 5:06:19 AM)

Thank you Malkinius,
understanding is a wonderful thing and understanding one's self is possibly the greatest gift one can attain.

I would not presume to call myself Gorean as yet; I am simply a journier on this path, seeing where the journey leads.   I follow many of the tenets of Gorean life already - honour, respect, self reliance and personal responsibility amongst them - but I believe that we should ALL follow those tenets, Gorean or not.   What I am at present is a seeker after my own inner, personal Truth.   What I become is not yet decided, but is primarily mine to create.

The discussion on who is or is not Gorean bemuses me, from the perspective of who - other than ourselves - can ever truly be the arbiter of that.   People are free to make their minds up about me, of course.   Let them judge my seriousness - my "Gorean-ness" - and my intent from my words and I will accept their judgements as being theirs.   All here have the right to think what they will but those thoughts will not change me, my journey or my ultimate destination, as I am not here seeking their approval - I do not require it.  I am here to discover myself for myself and my own purposes; growth,  evolution and self-understanding.   For the moment. that is sufficient .

Be well ......... Olivia



Musicmystery -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/11/2009 5:39:01 AM)

You know, Olivia, I don't much care about your path and what you may or may not be one day. That's all your business--I'm busy enough with my own life.

But here, in a thread about Brule's friend, now it's all about you. In the "shitty slaves?" thread, it's also shifted to all about you.

Seeing a pattern here? Perhaps that's a place to start your self-examination. If you want a thread all about you, start one.

Just saying.

Sorry Brule. Back to you.






MissDominae -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/11/2009 5:55:36 AM)

Actually Music, I did start a thread; you must have missed it.

It's quite fine that you don't care about my path; I don't need nor ask you to.   Since you're busy with your own life I dare say I won't see you commenting on mine any further - and that's just fine. 

As for being all about me; of course my own journey is mine.   Isn't yours?

Just saying.

Sorry Brule ...... back to you.



Musicmystery -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/11/2009 6:04:17 AM)

quote:

I did start a thread; you must have missed it.


I didn't want to assume that had now become all about you. I might have guessed.

Enjoy. You seem to be.



KarRagnon -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/11/2009 9:37:11 AM)

Having known the Man for well over 10 years, I would wager that if there were going to be issues between the two of Us they would have already occurred. The Man has progressed in His journey as we all do. He is as stead fast in His beliefs and ways as He ever was.  Have you yourself had the opportunity to look the Man in the eye?  Have you shaken His hand and discussed issues on matters with Him?  Unless anyone can answer yes to these questions,  I see no definable nor logical reason for anyone to make any assumption as to whether this Man is Gorean or not. Having spoken to the Man, it would make little difference to Me whether He and I were got along or not. He is His own Man and must walk His own path. If He can be swayed at every little comment or whim then the goal which He seeks to achieve and the life He enjoys, would be fruitless.  He would have no anchor in life and would wander aimlessly as a leaf in the wind. It occurs to Me that instead of worrying who is and who is not or who might not be, that others should concentrate on the path they themselves are walking. 



Malkinius -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/11/2009 12:30:53 PM)

Greetings Angel....

quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

<snip>

Sure someone can fake it until they make it so to speak, but why would someone who identifies as Gorean WANT too and why would they not want to seek personal knowledge of what they choose to identify as.  I mean if its THAT important to identify as Gorean and have others SEE him as Gorean (which i presume is now why he identifies as same) why would he not show the importance of that identification and READ THE BOOKS lol to say, yes, i have personal knowledge of what i  have applied to self.

I believe Goreans are capable if defining others as SEEMING like Gorean, but is it other's responsibility to define another as Gorean, or is it a person's responsibility to gain the knowledge of what they choose to identify as?  I would think Gorean Free would place this responsibility ON the person -- friend or not.

angel


I just wanted to reply to one part of your post. Why would someone want to "fake it until they make it"? Because that is how change happens in practice for most people. They identify what they want to be and act to the best of their ability to be that until it is internalized and they become it. Some people do work on one thing at a time until they have everything changed. Some work on everything at once until they have everything changed. Yes, you can call it a type of role playing but it is the exact same type of role playing that children do in learning to become adults and learning adult skills and behaviors. If the person acknowledges what they are doing, there is nothing wrong with it and there are many things to recommend it.

Be well.....

Malkinius




markibus -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/11/2009 5:20:25 PM)

Tal Fellow Goreans,

I have read two book. I am Gor hear me Roar.


Mark



Laraa -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/17/2009 7:09:46 PM)

It has been awhile sine I have been on and read any of the threads. I have enjoyed this one tremendously, the main reason is this; everyone has posted their thoughts to the original post and no where did it feel like to me that anyone was made to feel or look like a fool for their response. A very relaxing thread. I have read all the posts, I have agreed with at least something from everyone's response.

What came to my mind when I first read the original post was this; I have been in the company of people that as I watch and listen to them, my inward voice says, hmmmm man they have no idea how Gorean I see them to be. Ever been in the company of those type of people? Then to share with them and see their eyes light up as they come to a realization that there is an identifier for "them"... grins...

I do not feel that reading the books make you Gorean, but I do agree that if their is no study of the philos how would you know anything beyond that you are just being you?

Have a great night everyone.



Laraa -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/17/2009 7:12:52 PM)

well perhaps I missed a couple of the posts... oh well still an enjoyable thread.



SmokingCoyote -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 12:02:52 PM)

Hello all
Thank you Brule, I dont beleive in posting much but this subject comes close to a thing that is slight annoyance snd to me the question may also lead to what is a gorean or perosn who follows the Gorean philosophy.
I know what it means to me. I see it as a strict code of honour, I woud like to beleive that all the men are strong in mind as well as body ( I wil include the 90 pound weaklings). I know the truth may be far from that. I would also thnk that all Free are responsible people, but responsible to who may the question.
And this is directed to the men and I will just use the phrase they walk with eyes open at all times.
My main gripe revolves around the books, yes they do show the basics of the philosphy but so far I have never drank kalana or paga, never sworn by pouring the wine on the table.
My word is my bond, but I meet many people and have spoken to some that feel you must know every comma and fullstop in the books or else you cannot know what walking the Gorean way is.
I think the books are the primers and then you can walk.
Lets think of an example in many of the books you hear of a slave being punished for something they did, this punishment was mostly of a corporal nature but I saw the Free doing it as not cruel or sadistice he was showing the gilr the error of her ways.
Now I have only read 20 odd of the books but was there a person there who just whiped a gilr for pleasure. I do not remember , it was about discipline. but I knw many who now follow the way who could be called sadist is that wrong to call themselves Gorean. I personally do not think so. As people who follow the lifestyle or even vanilla therte are many types.
My apologies if I seem to of strayed form the thread but I ask the question ot all what makes you say oyu follow the Gorean way.
I wish you well
( btw ay typos are my dogs a Free never makes mistakes)

Coyote



Mitzie -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 1:34:56 PM)

Hello Coyote

Its good to see you posting in the Gorean Lifestyles forum and I hope you are well.


Mentioning Sadism seems to be a touchy subject I always have said that Goreans are not Sadists however a well known FW on these boards told me that she knows quite a few Gorean Sadists I found that a bit of an eye opener so I am wondering if you can have Gorean Sadists and Gorean Leathers ??


A friend of mine who you know will whip a girl just to remind her of her place

Mitzie



SmokingCoyote -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 1:52:51 PM)

Hello Mitzie

I am well thank you as to this fellow we both know as long the slave agrees and he does it with contol then we may not judge.

I wish you well

Coyote



Trevelyan -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 4:22:11 PM)

quote:

Perhaps it should only be added that the Gorean master,
though often strict, is seldom cruel. The girl knows, if she
pleases him, her lot will be an easy one. She will almost never
encounter sadism or wanton cruelty, for the psychological
environment that tends to breed these diseases is largely
absent from Gor. This does not mean that she will not expect
to be beaten if she disobeys, or fails to please her master.


Outlaw of Gor, page 60 (e-book)



Mitzie -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 5:22:25 PM)

Hello Trevelyan

Thats a quote I use often when I explain to people who want to know about our lifestyle.


but when I get told by people that are well known here that Sadism in the Gorean lifestyle is common practice I then get crossed wires ??

in the books its classed as a disease yet I get told quite a few on here are Sadists and who are Gorean as well.


It will be interesting to see who posts on here now and who admits to being a so called Gorean Sadist I for one would like to know how different minds work re our lifestyle and what it does and doesnt entail.

doesnt Sadism belong on the BDSM boards or am I looking at our lifestyle in the wrong way ?

sorry if my post is confusing I am confused

Mitzie



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 5:34:58 PM)

Hiya Mitzie,

I have a sadistic streak in me. Not the kind where I pull the wings off of flies, but the kind where there is an enjoyment I get from putting the lash to my girl, or beating the shit out of some asshole who I feel deserves it. Disease? Some in society may believe so, but then again I am one of those that doesn't give a shit what society or a collective says. I do not even find it offensive when I am called sadistic or it is mentioned that if I am, then I cannot be Gorean. I just tend to chuckle and think I must be part of the seldom menioned in the quote.

Live well,
Orion



Mitzie -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 5:49:17 PM)



Hello Orion

now I am confused enjoyment or sexualgratification ??


quote:

I have a sadistic streak in me. Not the kind where I pull the wings off of flies, but the kind where there is an enjoyment I get from putting the lash to my girl, or beating the shit out of some asshole who I feel deserves it.


Is not a Sadist a person who gets turned on inflicting pain ??

Mitzie



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/21/2009 6:20:11 PM)

Hiya Mitzie,

There should be some discussions in the archives, or if you want to start a new topic. Do not want to derail this one. Before you start it, make sure you have a good definition of "sexual gratification" compared to enjoyment, as both please me.

Live well,
Orion



Mitzie -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/22/2009 4:22:08 AM)

hya Orion

I was replying originally to Coyotes post re if people are Sadists can they be called Gorean.

Perhaps Coyote might want to start a thread re his question ?


well wishes

Mitzie



SmokingCoyote -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/22/2009 11:18:47 AM)

Hi Mitzie I shall take what you said under advisement.

Coyote



Brule -> RE: Gorean or not Gorean,,,,,,can you read? (6/22/2009 11:33:31 AM)

Tal and greetings again,

Being Gorean is not about likes and dislikes it is about beliefs and actions. I like strawberries, what does that have to do with me being a Gorean ?   I like flogging or causing pain to a willing recipient, what does that have to do with being Gorean or not being Gorean?   Going by what was said about being a Gorean not being a sadist, does that mean if you enjoy seeing a slave in chains and a collar, because that is a form of bondage, then many are not Gorean.

Actions speak louder than words; I judge a person on their actions, how they live their lives.  I really don't care if someone doesn't like strawberries.   Strawberries won't make a person Gorean, nor will getting personal enjoyment from flogging a slave make someone LESS a Gorean.  I too, am part of the "seldom".

Brule



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