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RE: Who is winning ? - 6/20/2009 3:40:41 PM   
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No, go do the research on that. You are way off base.

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RE: Who is winning ? - 6/20/2009 3:59:16 PM   
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So the Muslims who were invading Europe and Asia were just peace loving hippies who were only trying to commune with mother nature, when they got busted by the man?

I guess everyone will always see history through whatever shade of glasses the prefer.


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...Now put this down in your notebook, because it will be on the test: The crusades were in every way a defensive war. They were the West's belated response to the Muslim conquest of fully two-thirds of the Christian world. While the Arabs were busy in the seventh through the tenth centuries winning an opulent and sophisticated empire, Europe was defending itself against outside invaders and then digging out from the mess they left behind. Only in the eleventh century were Europeans able to take much notice of the East. The event that led to the crusades was the Turkish conquest of most of Christian Asia Minor (modern Turkey). The Christian emperor in Constantinople, faced with the loss of half of his empire, appealed for help to the rude but energetic Europeans. He got it. More than he wanted, in fact.

Pope Urban II called the First Crusade in 1095. Despite modern laments about medieval colonialism, the crusade's real purpose was to turn back Muslim conquests and restore formerly Christian lands to Christian control. The entire history of the crusades is one of Western reaction to Muslim advances. The crusades were no more offensive than was the American invasion of Normandy. As it happened, the First Crusade was amazingly, almost miraculously, successful. The crusaders marched hundreds of miles deep into enemy territory and recaptured not only the lost cities of Nicaea and Antioch, but in 1099 Jerusalem itself.


The Muslim response was a call for jihad, although internal divisions put that off for almost fifty years. With great leaders like Nur ed-Din and Saladin on the Muslim side and Richard the Lionheart and St. Louis IX on the Christian side, holy war was energetically waged in the Middle East for the next century and a half. The warriors on both sides believed, and by the tenets of their respective religions were justified in believing, that they were doing God's work. History, though, was on the side of Islam. Muslim rulers were becoming more, not less powerful. Their jihads grew in strength and effectiveness until, in 1291, the last remnants of the crusaders in Palestine and Syria were wiped out forever.

Crusade Propaganda
The abuse of Christianity’s holy wars.






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RE: Who is winning ? - 6/23/2009 12:44:13 AM   
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Nope, they were expanding their empire, just like the Christians did later. The Aztec nation for example, an expedition under the guise of spreading the word of God, Cortez robbed them of their gold, much of it going back to the church, and probably still resides in Vatican vaults. The word of God was taken to the  Aztec under the tutorlage of steel and gun powder, oh and the diseases brought from Europe too.

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