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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 5:25:48 AM   
Cherylmazana


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I am sure that the free women of Gor and many of those of Earth after hearing that Olaf wishes nothing to do with us have smiled in relief.

There are men one wishes to have as companions and men that one knows are more suited to own slaves. It’s all about personal preferences and what you prefer to have in your life.

I do not get upset when some men say they only wish to have relationships with slaves, after all I am not the one having a relationship with them, to me it makes no difference if they wish a slave alone, a free companion, or both a slave and companion. The only time it would affect me is if the person I was in a relationship with wanted me to submit as a slave because they disliked free women or wanted to bring a slave into our relationship. And as neither of those are going to happen what others wish really doesn’t affect me at all.

If it works for those individuals good for them. Wouldn’t this world be boring if everyone wanted the same after all?

Cheryl

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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 5:36:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cherylmazana

I am sure that the free women of Gor and many of those of Earth after hearing that Olaf wishes nothing to do with us have smiled in relief.

There are men one wishes to have as companions and men that one knows are more suited to own slaves. It’s all about personal preferences and what you prefer to have in your life.

I do not get upset when some men say they only wish to have relationships with slaves, after all I am not the one having a relationship with them, to me it makes no difference if they wish a slave alone, a free companion, or both a slave and companion. The only time it would affect me is if the person I was in a relationship with wanted me to submit as a slave because they disliked free women or wanted to bring a slave into our relationship. And as neither of those are going to happen what others wish really doesn’t affect me at all.

If it works for those individuals good for them. Wouldn’t this world be boring if everyone wanted the same after all?

Cheryl
  

Nicely put.  Life is way too short for boring.
 
Regards-
Grace

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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 5:45:14 AM   
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I agree with Grace

good post Cheryl.

well wishes

Mitzie

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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 6:17:44 AM   
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hi Mistress Grace

thank you for responding.  i thought about the quote after slipping into bed last night, and these thoughts occurred to me.  please, if im off base....

the gorean FC is everything a man could desire in a FW.  what he desires in a slave is a whole nother kettle of fish.  Compared to a wife from earth, i can see a woman, often chosen by the man to bear his children amd share his life, as being the most beautiful woman in the world to him.

to me, this quote was comparing the FW on gor to the "FW" on earth, both free to chose who they had a relationship with.  slaves dont have that choice.  it also made me think, slaves arent a creature on earth, just on gor?


well wishes

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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 8:57:09 AM   
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I cannot help but to think that the relationship between most FC's is rather somewhat different than the typical husband/wife relationship we see on earth these days.   I would think that any woman who has studied Gorean ideas can't help but to be changed in the way she views the Man in her life, whether he is her FC or of course, her Master.  Hopefully, likewise, the man cannot help but to be changed in the way he views the woman (or women) he has chosen to be part of his life.

Many marriages today are unisex business partnerships.  Not all, but many.   I don't view a Free Companionship as such, but then again, I may be wrong.   I also think an FC-ship is not all that different in terms of an M/s relationship in terms of that the success of it depends on the matched quality and strength of the two people involved.  If a woman is Free Companioned to a man who is weaker than her, she is going to find herself having to take over and steer the ship... then the man will come to resent it, and the whole thing will break down.   If a woman is Free Companioned to a man who is equal or greater than her... you have the ingredients for success.

~sgs

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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 9:33:32 AM   
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quote:

If a woman is Free Companioned to a man who is weaker than her, she is going to find herself having to take over and steer the ship... then the man will come to resent it, and the whole thing will break down. If a woman is Free Companioned to a man who is equal or greater than her... you have the ingredients for success.


Well said.

It might last a little while with a weaker man but it will be a life full of rows and shouting ect.

you see what draws women to the lifestyle well such as me is the strength and character of a FM.

there are people on here who you could say look hen pecked yet there are others who are perfectly in control of there FC and slaves.

well wishes

Mitzie



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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 10:29:18 AM   
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~FR~

Context is important. Reading pages 288, 289, 290, 291 can actually make the meaning if the passage quite plain.

Context is important. Knowing that the Torvie has some free women as valued & beloved friends takes all the seeming sourness out of the remarks & leaves only a ribald humor to be enjoyed, much like BBQ sauce on your chin - sloppy but wonderfully spicy & often sweet.

Of course, this ain't my first rodeo -- I will simply ensure the man has TWO napkins AND his slave has two more.....hence sloppy, spicy kisses cannot be stolen from this FW under such a flimsy guise. ;-P

How's that old quote go?....one does not survive with wolves by becoming a bbq rib? ;-)

~K

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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 6:40:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zevar


I VERY much love life. There is a vast difference between being sincere and being somber. I do not apologize for being a sincere gentleman. Nor do I define humor as poking fun at others. The boundary line is different for everyone. I am comfortable with my boundary line when it comes to what is funny and what is being said about someone else to make fun of another. If you disagree with my way then that is fine.

As a gentleman I gracefully decline to insult a Lady or condone such if witnessed by myself. Further nor will I laugh at jokes that I find aimed at a Lady. By the way....A Lady is hard to come by these days. However slave-sluts, slave-whores, slave-tramps and slave-bitches or any other combination thereof of the beastly creature are a dime a dozen. But a Lady ...well enough said.

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


As far as I can tell, and being an illiterate and uncouth barbarian I could be wrong, My comments were not directed at anyone in particular, but instead were aimed broadly at a institution in which I have no desire to be a participate.  I am sure I offended your Gentlemanly sensibilities with my crude comments and loutish behavior, but, as the Great Bard once said, "To thy own self be true". 

Personally, I do not care if you laugh at my jokes or not.  Some people do not find the Three Stooges funny, others think they are hilarious.  The last thing I would want is to be lectured on how they are not funny, if I find them so. 

That being said, I found your comments condescending and insulting.  You chose to imply that any slave is a worthless creature a “Slave-slut-whore-tramp-bitch”?  Are you saying that as a slave she can not possess class or manners?  Quite an insight but alas one that is clearly contra-indicated in the books. 

If you are a male, reading this, ask yourself what you would rather have at your slave ring, lying there naked and chained, looking up at you, cringing in the shadow of your whip, a simple, slovenly, vulgar-mouthed slut or a highly intelligent, cultured, refined lady. (Prize of Gor, Chapter 16)

Perhaps you just have chosen poorly when it comes to slaves, or perhaps their open sexuality offends some inner puritan that is looking to come out.  Whichever or whatever it is, I believe that I have been who I am long enough to be able to find a girl that is suited to me, who I can train and teach to act as I wish.  Your comments only highlight your desire to set yourself on some White Stallion, armor glittering in the sun, but only show your own fawning need for the approval of the Free Women. 

Did it work?  Apparently not so well, but there is a reason why it did not...   

It is not unusual for a Master to free one of his slave girls in order that she may share the full privileges of free companionship. pg 54 Outlaw of Gor

Notice there is no mention of a magic wand that changes the girl into a whole new person.  Therefore it is a reasonable assumption that a FC, elevated to that position from that of a slave, would still be the same girl that she was while in a collar.  Her station in life may have changed, and she may be free, but she is still the same girl.  Many of the Free Women on this board were slaves at one point or another.  And I do proudly call some of them friends, and would gladly go to the mattresses for them. 

Do not be so hasty to pass judgment, and lighten up… the Napkin comment was funny… lol.  The BBQ comment was funnier…

~Grabs his Axe for Men, then shaves with it and splashes on some Mead as his aftershave… Waggles his eyebrows at his girl and sings a rousing chorus of “I’m too sexy”….

Olaf

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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 9:38:03 PM   
Zevar


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JarlOlaf

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zevar


I VERY much love life. There is a vast difference between being sincere and being somber. I do not apologize for being a sincere gentleman. Nor do I define humor as poking fun at others. The boundary line is different for everyone. I am comfortable with my boundary line when it comes to what is funny and what is being said about someone else to make fun of another. If you disagree with my way then that is fine.

As a gentleman I gracefully decline to insult a Lady or condone such if witnessed by myself. Further nor will I laugh at jokes that I find aimed at a Lady. By the way....A Lady is hard to come by these days. However slave-sluts, slave-whores, slave-tramps and slave-bitches or any other combination thereof of the beastly creature are a dime a dozen. But a Lady ...well enough said.

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


As far as I can tell, and being an illiterate and uncouth barbarian I could be wrong, My comments were not directed at anyone in particular, but instead were aimed broadly at a institution in which I have no desire to be a participate.  I am sure I offended your Gentlemanly sensibilities with my crude comments and loutish behavior, but, as the Great Bard once said, "To thy own self be true". 

Personally, I do not care if you laugh at my jokes or not.  Some people do not find the Three Stooges funny, others think they are hilarious.  The last thing I would want is to be lectured on how they are not funny, if I find them so. 

That being said, I found your comments condescending and insulting.  You chose to imply that any slave is a worthless creature a “Slave-slut-whore-tramp-bitch”?  Are you saying that as a slave she can not possess class or manners?  Quite an insight but alas one that is clearly contra-indicated in the books. 

If you are a male, reading this, ask yourself what you would rather have at your slave ring, lying there naked and chained, looking up at you, cringing in the shadow of your whip, a simple, slovenly, vulgar-mouthed slut or a highly intelligent, cultured, refined lady. (Prize of Gor, Chapter 16)

Perhaps you just have chosen poorly when it comes to slaves, or perhaps their open sexuality offends some inner puritan that is looking to come out.  Whichever or whatever it is, I believe that I have been who I am long enough to be able to find a girl that is suited to me, who I can train and teach to act as I wish.  Your comments only highlight your desire to set yourself on some White Stallion, armor glittering in the sun, but only show your own fawning need for the approval of the Free Women. 

Did it work?  Apparently not so well, but there is a reason why it did not...   

It is not unusual for a Master to free one of his slave girls in order that she may share the full privileges of free companionship. pg 54 Outlaw of Gor

Notice there is no mention of a magic wand that changes the girl into a whole new person.  Therefore it is a reasonable assumption that a FC, elevated to that position from that of a slave, would still be the same girl that she was while in a collar.  Her station in life may have changed, and she may be free, but she is still the same girl.  Many of the Free Women on this board were slaves at one point or another.  And I do proudly call some of them friends, and would gladly go to the mattresses for them. 

Do not be so hasty to pass judgment, and lighten up… the Napkin comment was funny… lol.  The BBQ comment was funnier…

~Grabs his Axe for Men, then shaves with it and splashes on some Mead as his aftershave… Waggles his eyebrows at his girl and sings a rousing chorus of “I’m too sexy”….

Olaf




Greetings Olaf:

I am the man I am without apology. I speak my opinions. You are the man you are without apology. You speak your opinions. This does not make either man "good or bad" instead it simply makes us different and "our own" man. Nothing wrong with differences nor individuality.

Understand nothing I wrote in any of my postings were personally aimed at you or your girl, nor at anyone. An opinion is just that, opinion. Take what you like and leave the rest.

If you have not already read the thread I began you might care to do so. Perhaps in doing so it just might offer clarity.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2676859/tm.htm

Finally:

If evil be said of thee, and if it be true, correct thyself; if it be a lie, laugh at it.
Epictetus

quote:

Why is it that under the Gorean paradigm, a Free Man is limited to only one Free Companion?


From here on out I am only willing to discuss the above quoted original question presented by sgs~ ---- Nothing more, nothing less.

Done & Settled.

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


< Message edited by Zevar -- 6/24/2009 9:41:07 PM >


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RE: Free Companions - 6/25/2009 12:44:27 AM   
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Tal Olaf....

Uh....was that for or with them?

<evil grin>

Be well...

Malkinius


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RE: Free Companions - 6/25/2009 6:40:05 AM   
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greetings Master Zevar

out of curiosity, and, of course, you may ignore this question ... have you ever owned a slave?

well wishes

tazzy

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RE: Free Companions - 6/25/2009 8:44:10 AM   
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I am curious, but have people in being Gorean and utilizing some of the cultural concepts such as FCing or owning a slave (which i think is easier to do though many still compare it to being same) gotten to the point where you don't compare the Gorean concept to things of earth such as marraige or a earth type bf/gf relationship and simply accepted the Gorean relationships to be another type of relationship practiced. 

The FC and the slave owning are so far removed from the different type of earth relationships do most people simply start accepting what they do either in the FC or the slave owning as a type of relationship rather than a relationship to be compared to marraige or bf/gf relationships?  When i was a slave that was my relationship to my Master -- i was a slave that was what the relationship was, our relationship wasn't anything else and what it encompassed was not compared it simply was part of being his slave.

I may need to clarify this,

angel

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RE: Free Companions - 6/25/2009 7:36:12 PM   
Zevar


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

greetings Master Zevar

out of curiosity, and, of course, you may ignore this question ... have you ever owned a slave?

well wishes

tazzy




Greetings tazzy:

Brief answer:

Both Free Companion & slave have known my love quite differently as companionship and ownership are not the same!


“There are two sorts of affection - the love of a woman you respect, and the love for the woman you love.”
Arthur Wing Pinero



I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


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RE: Free Companions - 6/25/2009 7:48:40 PM   
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hi Master Zevar

thank you for answering. and, yes, Master, i would totally agree.

well wishes

tazzy

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