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Free Companions - 6/22/2009 1:42:15 PM   
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Greetings to the Free,
Greetings girls,

Here is a kind of 'off the wall' question that i had never thought of before, but i just thought about when reading some old threads.   Why is it that under the Gorean paradigm, a Free Man is limited to only one Free Companion? 


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RE: Free Companions - 6/22/2009 3:10:48 PM   
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greetings sgs,

This ain't sposed to be a definitive reply, only Norman could provide such an answer to a question that arose from his series of books based on life on a fictional planet.  However, from where I sit in the bleachers... I would guess that a mans "free companion" is one that *he* chose to be the mother of his children and nominally, the *second in command* of his household. If a "free companion" includes those characteristics, why would he need two?  Presumably, he can fuck all the slave girls he wants, if he wants and at such time as it pleases him to do so.

just a quick thought

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RE: Free Companions - 6/22/2009 3:45:41 PM   
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greetings again, sgs

It occurred to me that there were some points that I didn't make in the first reply.

The qualities that a man might seek in a free companion, aren't necessarily the same qualities that he might seek in a slave.  With a free companion, he should be looking for a teacher and role model for his children, considering the angle that *she* will be spending far more time nurturing them than he will.
Um's learn what they live, a hackneyed old saw, granted,  that I have believed for for as long as I could conceive the concept.  Introducing multiple role models in that ... seems kinda risky to me... prolly better to make one good choice, and back it with everything... than to try and hedge one's bets.

This prolly requires a bit more attention to the person than the typical "earth" approach, which in most cases that I'm familiar with, basicly comes down to... *I wanna get my dick wet*.

Just a few additional ramblings,

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RE: Free Companions - 6/22/2009 7:39:01 PM   
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I'm no guru on the why's of Gor.  Norman did explain it in the books though.  In Outlaw of Gor, towards the end of chapter 6.
 
 
"There is no marriage, as we know it, on Gor, but there is the
institute of the Free Companionship, which is its nearest
correspondent.  Surprisingly enough, a woman who is bought
from her parents, for tarns or gold, is regarded as a Free
Companion, even though she may not have been consulted in the
transaction.  More commendably, a free woman may herself, of
her own free will, agree to be such a companion.  And it is
not unusual for a master to free one of his slave girls in
order that she may share the full privileges of a Free
Companionship.  One may have, at a given time, an indefinite
number of slaves, but only one Free Companion.  Such
relationships are not entered into lightly, and they are
normally sundered only by death.  Occasionally the Gorean,
like his brothers in our world, perhaps even more frequently,
learns the meaning of love."

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RE: Free Companions - 6/22/2009 10:28:54 PM   
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Greetings sgs~

There is a beauty in a free companion unlike in a slave girl. The beauty I speak of is stated succinctly in the following quote:

There is no freer nor higher nor more beautiful woman," I said, "than the Gorean Free Companion.
Nomads of Gor, Page 290

Frankly speaking I see no reason to duplicate a free companion. Duplicity tends to not be the exact replica of that which is produced in multiplicity when it comes to a free companion. [IMO]

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 7:13:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zevar

Greetings sgs~

There is a beauty in a free companion unlike in a slave girl. The beauty I speak of is stated succinctly in the following quote:

There is no freer nor higher nor more beautiful woman," I said, "than the Gorean Free Companion.
Nomads of Gor, Page 290

Frankly speaking I see no reason to duplicate a free companion. Duplicity tends to not be the exact replica of that which is produced in multiplicity when it comes to a free companion. [IMO]

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


Hmm, well I'll be....

I had always thought that the only reason a Free Man had for kissing a Free Woman was the lack of a suitable napkin.

Maybe it is just me

~Whistles my girl over and points to my chin where my Mead dripped....

Olaf

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 8:56:53 AM   
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Same reason that "one mate" paradigm evolved across many different human cultures throughout history.  It has to do with assured (to the extent possible) paternity.  A woman is the only one who can know for sure whose baby she carries.  Men are understandably, instinctively anxious about that, and take whatever measures they can to ensure that the children they presume to be theirs really are.  The "one mate" paradigm may have simply come to predominate as a bow to the fact that a man can really only effectively keep track of one woman, and separate her from the predations of other men, at a time.

Go back far enough, and it might also have to do with succession, and power within the clan.  A man with many wives ends up with many sons and probably more influence than other men would like him to have. 

Slaves are different.  At least in our culture.  They're kept to serve and be pleasing, sexually and otherwise.  They are, presumably, slutty by nature, and so not suitable to be wives (see above), but that's alright, we aren't keeping them to bear us sons, and if through some mishap with the slave wine they happen to bear some other man's son, no harm, no foul.

If you can step back and think about these things dispassionately, which I know is hard for humans to do, there is an evolutionary reason for all of the behaviors, and desires, that you see in the Gor books.  There is an evolutionary purpose for both free women who are sexually cautious and reserved, and slutty slave girls who are given to sexual abandon, just as there is for a man's desire to both assure paternity with A woman on the one hand, but also fuck as many women as he can get his hands on on the other hand.

The evolutionary forces that shaped these passions within us aren't operating on us anymore, for the most part, but the passions remain.  Trying to deny them or explain them away only diminishes us, and makes us something less than we were. The better course of action is for us craft our system of ethics to embrace and uphold what we are, rather than aspiring to be what we are not.

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 12:26:17 PM   
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Greetings again to the Free,
and to the girls,

Thank you to everyone who has commented.  I just found it rather interesting, considering that in past history, a man was able to have more than one wife, and in doing so, was able to expand his sphere of influence through having many more sons, etc. 

~sgs

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 12:41:21 PM   
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quote:

The evolutionary forces that shaped these passions within us aren't operating on us anymore, for the most part, but the passions remain.  Trying to deny them or explain them away only diminishes us, and makes us something less than we were. The better course of action is for us craft our system of ethics to embrace and uphold what we are, rather than aspiring to be what we are not.


Tal Leonidas,

This is one of the best statements I've read here, and one I wish many more people could understand.

Live well,

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 4:14:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JarlOlaf

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zevar

Greetings sgs~

There is a beauty in a free companion unlike in a slave girl. The beauty I speak of is stated succinctly in the following quote:

There is no freer nor higher nor more beautiful woman," I said, "than the Gorean Free Companion.
Nomads of Gor, Page 290

Frankly speaking I see no reason to duplicate a free companion. Duplicity tends to not be the exact replica of that which is produced in multiplicity when it comes to a free companion. [IMO]

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


Hmm, well I'll be....

I had always thought that the only reason a Free Man had for kissing a Free Woman was the lack of a suitable napkin.

Maybe it is just me

~Whistles my girl over and points to my chin where my Mead dripped....

Olaf



Greetings Olaf:

You might want to reconsider your "theory" as each Free man neither is a replica of another Free man. Thus your "napkin theory" is without tangible proof to become fact for each and every Free Man. Unashamed the lips of a Free Woman have been kissed as have the lips of a slave girl. I simply concluded why fear what is not to be feared at all, rather enjoy what is meant to be naturally enjoyed without shame or apology.

A tidbit of helpful information: Do not forget to always place your paper or linen napkin slighty to the right or left of your place setting just in case your slave girl is not their to tend to what is her job to tend to while you enjoy the company of none other than your Free Companion. IMO

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 5:51:25 PM   
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Zevar,

That would be useful were I to suddenly lose 7/Th's of my common sense and have a Free Companion.  However, being the sensible and sober sort that I am, I value my happiness to much to ever become saddled with a burden like that.  No, I will keep my sanity and my testicles and avoid the condition of Free Companionship like Torvie avoids soap and water...

Oh and as far as a paper or linen napkin?  If joy is not around I can always use my sleeve... or someone elses.... whichever is more convienient...

~Grabs his mead from his girl and drains it to blunt the image of a FW hanging around all the time from my brain.......

Olaf





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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 6:46:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JarlOlaf

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zevar

Greetings sgs~

There is a beauty in a free companion unlike in a slave girl. The beauty I speak of is stated succinctly in the following quote:

There is no freer nor higher nor more beautiful woman," I said, "than the Gorean Free Companion.
Nomads of Gor, Page 290

Frankly speaking I see no reason to duplicate a free companion. Duplicity tends to not be the exact replica of that which is produced in multiplicity when it comes to a free companion. [IMO]

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


Hmm, well I'll be....

I had always thought that the only reason a Free Man had for kissing a Free Woman was the lack of a suitable napkin.

Maybe it is just me

grins and shuts up lol

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 6:48:31 PM   
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Zevar,

That would be useful were I to suddenly lose 7/Th's of my common sense and have a Free Companion.  However, being the sensible and sober sort that I am, I value my happiness to much to ever become saddled with a burden like that.  No, I will keep my sanity and my testicles and avoid the condition of Free Companionship like Torvie avoids soap and water...

Wonders where I put those scissors. To my darling ex FC you need to lay off that mead lol

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 7:35:35 PM   
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Zevar,

That would be useful were I to suddenly lose 7/Th's of my common sense and have a Free Companion.  However, being the sensible and sober sort that I am, I value my happiness to much to ever become saddled with a burden like that.  No, I will keep my sanity and my testicles and avoid the condition of Free Companionship like Torvie avoids soap and water...

Oh and as far as a paper or linen napkin?  If joy is not around I can always use my sleeve... or someone elses.... whichever is more convienient...

~Grabs his mead from his girl and drains it to blunt the image of a FW hanging around all the time from my brain.......

Olaf



Greetings Olaf:

All comes down to differences in men. Just as you would "wipe your mouth on your sleeve" I would not. Nor do I think of a Free Companion as a "napkin" nor will anything that you or any man could say be able to persuade my perspective on Free Companionship. Not that you were or are. Just sayin.....End of Story.

Again differences in men. Nothing more nothing less.


I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 7:46:03 PM   
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Zevar,

You have got to learn to take a joke.



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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 8:22:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Zevar,

You have got to learn to take a joke.




Some things are not a joke.

FYI- Humor is something that is treasured when done tastefully. To each man to his own.

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 8:47:32 PM   
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greetings to the Free

i have a question after looking up Master Zevar's quote.  there is a bit more too it that i noticed. 

"There is no freer nor higher nor more beautiful woman," I said, "than the Gorean Free Companion.  Compare her with your average wife of earth"  Nomads of Gor, Page 290

was he not comparing her to the woman of earth who walked on men instead of the slaves?

just curious

well wishes

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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 9:46:42 PM   
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Greetings Zevar,

Well if you cannot take a joke, then maybe not take things so seriously. Live, love and laugh.

" And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."    Abraham Lincoln


Live well,
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ORIGINAL: Zevar


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Zevar,

You have got to learn to take a joke.




Some things are not a joke.

FYI- Humor is something that is treasured when done tastefully. To each man to his own.

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~



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RE: Free Companions - 6/23/2009 11:04:00 PM   
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Greetings Zevar,

Well if you cannot take a joke, then maybe not take things so seriously. Live, love and laugh.

" And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."    Abraham Lincoln


Live well,
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ORIGINAL: Zevar


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Zevar,

You have got to learn to take a joke.




Some things are not a joke.

FYI- Humor is something that is treasured when done tastefully. To each man to his own.

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~




Greetings Orion:

Frankly speaking you have at best read into what Tim was incorrect in his statement regarding my replies to Olaf here in this thread.

As I stated,
quote:

FYI- Humor is something that is treasured when done tastefully.


I VERY much love life. There is a vast difference between being sincere and being somber. I do not apologize for being a sincere gentleman. Nor do I define humor as poking fun at others. The boundary line is different for everyone. I am comfortable with my boundary line when it comes to what is funny and what is being said about someone else to make fun of another. If you disagree with my way then that is fine.

As a gentleman I gracefully decline to insult a Lady or condone such if witnessed by myself. Further nor will I laugh at jokes that I find aimed at a Lady. By the way....A Lady is hard to come by these days. However slave-sluts, slave-whores, slave-tramps and slave-bitches or any other combination thereof of the beastly creature are a dime a dozen. But a Lady ...well enough said.

I wish you well,
~ Zevar ~


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RE: Free Companions - 6/24/2009 5:08:48 AM   
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"There is no freer nor higher nor more beautiful woman," I said, "than the Gorean Free Companion.  Compare her with your average wife of earth"  Nomads of Gor, Page 290

was he not comparing her to the woman of earth who walked on men instead of the slaves?



tazzy -
There are a couple ways to look at that.  Where did Goreans get many of their slaves, but earth?  Does that mean he was comparing GFW to slaves (or those worthy of/suited to it) then?  Is it possilbe he was providing as stark a comparison as possible in comparing GFW to the women of earth, thus highlighting "free, high, and more beautiful", and the extent to which it exists if Women of Gor as opposed to the "average' woman of earth, who tends to think herself "free, high, and beautiful" while in point of fact is often anything but?
 
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