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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/24/2009 9:07:16 PM   
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then in another 4000 years maybe things will be at peace again.

GQ


ORION..
the last 4000..in history has been phallcentric..
another 4000 of partnership and balance MAY see peace again

GQ

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/25/2009 12:31:54 AM   
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Personally, I think that cruise ships should require the 1 quart zip-lock bags with the 3 oz or smaller bottles of shampoo, etc... I feel so much safer flying on planes now due to this protective measure, and I am very thankful to Homeland Security for enforcing it.

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Sorry....but that was created by the British, not by the US. They did it out of London before the US picked up on it followed by a number of other countries.

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/25/2009 1:05:08 AM   
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Maybe the people in power do not conform to the 184 cases that have been reported, but to the ones that have NOT been reported. All the times that the females and males have been persuaded and forced into sexual gratifications of any sorts and not wanting to talk about it later because they feel used and dirty, and they carry those scars for the rest of their lives.

All those times and for the future something had to be done. Someone had to make sense of it all. Someone had to make their stamp on the matter about people wanting to go upon a cruise and not thinking if they are going to be sexually abused in any way, but they just want to go and see the sights of a different country. Some men do not even tell others that they have been raped by females or other males or even abused by females, for then they think that they will be looked upon as feeble and having no balls.

Those are the cases that the senators of the USA decided that enough was enough. it is time to stop this shit happening from now on.

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/25/2009 6:06:51 PM   
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Well, that isn't a Michael Dukakis sorta assumption you should be making rulemylife....

I expect it wouldn't take an act of congress to enact what sort of rule of law would be applied.....

Furthermore, if 185 cases have happened (and there aren't thousands of cruise ships are there?) wouldn't it be about as easy as finding the Weapons of Mass Destruction as the government has in times past?  


When was the last time you stayed in a hotel/motel room that didn't have these basic protections?

Is it really so much to ask to extend that to cruise ships, which are basically floating hotels?



I do remember (hazily) that there was once a sign in a motel room...posted on the door, (it was a rather high class hotel) that said something about portugese are not allowed to force anyone to blow them in this hotel, and not in the lounge (except on legal holidays) in a floating closet with some 2K people aboard........


So, even soaked to the gills......I would have eventually quipped, "Oh, really; now sir; are you sure this is appropriate given the shade of her lipstick." from the darkened bar.

I mean the terra firma seems a little uncertain, but this is a low-budget remake of Othello.

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/25/2009 6:51:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GYPZYQUEEN

then in another 4000 years maybe things will be at peace again.

GQ


ORION..
the last 4000..in history has been phallcentric..
another 4000 of partnership and balance MAY see peace again

GQ


This piques my interest enough to comment, but not enough to ferret out what this stream of conciousness is attempting in explication and conclusion.

If, you are saying somehow that pricks have ruled the world for the last 4000 years, and if only gashes were given equal treatment in terms of home rule........

No, not ever..... At the best circumstance.......you may be a Ninon L'Enclos (and this goes to your nurturing nature.......and that is a plus in all our collective lives) 
Even Hapshetsut was bearded in her lion's den.

No, I abjure a pussy nation...

I WILL NOT.

Ron

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/26/2009 4:04:18 PM   
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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/26/2009 9:10:55 PM   
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i have cruised a few times.  yes, the passage ways are often empty, no peep holes in the doors, you are basically on your own.  then again... a cock between my lips... could be quite uncomfortable for a man if i didnt want it there... hmmm.


Oh see, now don't go saying something like that.

You're going to give me a phobia that'll plague me for years.

I can already imagine tonight's nightmares.

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/26/2009 9:21:54 PM   
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I do remember (hazily) that there was once a sign in a motel room...posted on the door, (it was a rather high class hotel) that said something about portugese are not allowed to force anyone to blow them in this hotel, and not in the lounge (except on legal holidays) in a floating closet with some 2K people aboard........


So, even soaked to the gills......I would have eventually quipped, "Oh, really; now sir; are you sure this is appropriate given the shade of her lipstick." from the darkened bar.

I mean the terra firma seems a little uncertain, but this is a low-budget remake of Othello.

Wm.


While that was funny, I do have have to ask again, would you find it as amusing if one of those 184 cases was your daughter or your mother?

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/26/2009 10:11:03 PM   
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And because the crimes are committed in international waters

This is a key point.  Many governments have been debating who has juristiction over international waters.  Particularly when it comes to things like oil and other resources.  The oceans are basically neutral territory.  Several governements have argued that they have juristiction of all the water that is above the shelf of land connected to their country.   The US governement has tried for a long time to get more power over the cruise line industry.  The cruise line industry has easily been able to allow things like gambling because they are not officially in anyones country or juristiction.  This move by the government allows the US to have more power in international waters.  It lodges their foot further in the door of making cruise lines conform to US law.  What happens though if the cruise company decides to base its offices and docks out of the Bahamas, but the passangers are from the US.  My guess is the US government would try to make this sex crime law stick.  Once you have this precendent then the government can gradually expand this and gain more legal rights over international ocean territory.  If a US citizen goes to China they are under Chinese law, and there are very few things the US can do, but in the ocean you are in no mans land.  I think part of the reason this recieved such high level officials is because governments are itching to gain as much power in the international ocean territories as they can.

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/29/2009 6:10:09 PM   
Aswad


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I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.


Sounds familiar, although we're a bit ahead of you when it comes to spending infinite resources on issues that are barely marginal at best. Hell, we have a political party- one of three in the current government- which is pretty much dedicated exclusively to issues that the majority of the population would consider marginal. You'll no doubt find the US following the same curve over time. In part, it can be ascribed to the concerns you listed. But the problem shares a lot with the bikeshed problem (familiar with it, I suppose?).

Edit:

Almost forgot... it's worthwhile to consider that media power is a significant factor in this regard. And media will grasp for straws when there's no legitimate sensations to fill their air time with. Swine-flu would be an excellent example. I'm pretty sure no other mild flu has had that kind of coverage. Paradoxically, some of the airport security measures they introduced for swine flue are far more promising in regard to terrorism than the ones they instated while terrorism was still effective media filler material. As a local anecdote, the media up here were rioting about a "rape epidemic" when there was a period with 13 cases in the capital, vs the usual 7 or so. Had politicians scrambling to come up with some way to capitalize on it, and almost had the ladies taking the precautions they should've been taking all along... almost.

Nietzsche and Hitler both had some interesting observations on how this culture of weakness and victimhood came about with an inversion of values that started with the Jews, which is fairly consonant with what I have seen in the media and also with what I have experienced myself. Which is not to say that there are no exceptions, or that they collectively deserve the blame for the western acceptance of the inversion, of course.

Edit 2:

Interesting aside... an islamic feminist up here has been complaining about the same things, one quote being to the effect that we need less pussies and more vikings up here... the latter being a comment delivered in a speech at a party rally for the conservative christian party...

Health,
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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/30/2009 9:45:06 PM   
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I was surprised that so few of the answers seemed to be from people who relate to the Gorean lifestyle.  I have only read the first 9 books so far, so perhaps they change drastically further in the series but it seems that they glorify personal responsability and lament the feminization of the societies of Earth.  In the books, the preferrable method of finding a new slave is by abducting one from another city.  I wouldn't expect anyone to condone abduction or rape, but it seems that the book presents the view that it is the responsability of the men to protect their women.  So, in the case of the issue presented, the Gorean response would seem to be to wonder where were the men who were supposed to be looking out for the woman?  Presumably, she wasn't traveling alone.  Secondly, we should resent how our society uses issues like this to deny even more liberty in the name of our own protection.  Perhaps some peoples claims that "Goreans" just like the slavegirl aspect of the books and don't think much about the principles of honor and personal responsability that are the central concept of the books. 

I assume that the post about feminizing the world being the solution was simply in jest or was a troll looking for a flame war.  The Gorean theme is entirely based on gender roles and how they are different and repurcussions of abandoning them.  When a woman acts as a man, or is strong willed and rejects the protection of men in the books, they are made slaves or are subject to being eaten by some natural predator.  It is also about accepting what is, instead of accepting others assurances that they can change things.

Several argued that people who are against the law or the reaction, should consider if it were a member of their own family.  First, if it were a member of my family, they would stay in protected areas and with a person who can protect them, especially abroad.  In fact, most of the members of my family will not travel abroad or to areas said to be of questionable safety for just that reason.  They excerise common sense.  Then, if the boat didn't offer minimum protections, like peepholes, then when shopping a cruise, they would insist it listed as an amenity.  If it is an unsafe environment, they simply wouldn't go.  Just to be clear, if we as a society excercised this common sense, the management of the ships would correct the issues or go out of business.  This is what we seem to have lost, and as a society have become weak and docile for it.  The reason that people want you to consider it happening to your family is to illicit an emotional response and not a rational one.  Just because something ellicits emtion, it does not follow that the government must take action.  I think this was the point of the original post.  As individuals we are becoming weaker by the day due to these emotional cries for tighter legislation.

The idea in general that government can give you safety is an illusion.  If someone commits a crime, the government reacts, by sending police, and punishing.  So the ONLY power it has is to attempt to deter crime by setting examples of punishment.  If you wish to PREVENT crime, you must fend for yourself.  I have never been in a "Gorean" relationship, but the women I have dated have felt comfort and safety with me because I have always thought of those things and they instinctively know that. 

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RE: Pussy Nation - 6/30/2009 10:14:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nephilim

I read this thread and was so surprised, I had to go and fix my password issue just so that I could comment.  I have been lurking for awhile, but have been unable to post.

I was surprised that so few of the answers seemed to be from people who relate to the Gorean lifestyle. 


Yeah, I was suprised by that too, actually.  Go hog wild and figure that only 1 in 10 violent crimes aboard a cruise ship (a cruise ship!) ever got reported to the FBI (who handles such matters when it comes to ships at sea), and we're STILL talking 99.9997% safe from violent crime aboard a cruise ship.  Just how safe do you have to be before public hearings in the US senate, no less, and resulting mandatory regulations that are no doubt as thick as a phone book start to seem a little excessive? 

Just how safe do we have to be before we're welling to say, no, that's alright, additional government intrusion and regulation isn't necessary, we'll cowboy up, make our own decisions about our personal safety, and maybe even brave that .0003% chance that we might have to blow some Portugese dude if we really want to go on a cruise?  Has safety really become that dear, and liberty (the right to run our own lives sans government protection and regulation) really become that cheap? 

Well, you know, if it was your mother or your sister or your daughter, you'd be crying for the government to save you too.  No, I fucking would not.  Yeah, Nephilim, I'm a little suprised too.

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RE: Pussy Nation - 7/1/2009 5:43:42 PM   
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One of the shortcomings- as I see it- of the Gor series, is its apparent failure to realize just how willing people are to allow themselves to be enslaved and disempowered, especially if a bogeyman can be propped up, or a seemingly benevolent master is the one holding the chains. An argument could be made that part of the reason for teaching women protocols for slaves at an early age is precisely to remind them to guard their liberty well, and the presence of tangible threats to liberty are somewhat effective at getting people who could go either way to get off the fence and choose, but the sheer number who will fold with little resistance seems underestimated.

The government and nation state are the secular equivalents of the gods of old and their hierarchy of priests. Give them the appointed sacrifices (tax), ask for help (e.g. welfare) and protection (e.g. police), abide by their edicts (laws, codes, and so forth), consult their priests (beurocrats), define one's identity by them (e.g. American), wage wars for them, and so forth. People in general are all too comfortable on all fours, which is as it should be, I guess. We just happened to get rid of the institutions that put them collectively at our feet, and also allowed these structures to reach a scale where they become counterproductive for both parties.

Or maybe I had too much booze today, I dunno..

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RE: Pussy Nation - 7/1/2009 6:19:54 PM   
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While that was funny, I do have have to ask again, would you find it as amusing if one of those 184 cases was your daughter or your mother?


I realize you were replying to Ron, but the question is directed at him on account of the manner of his response, it seems, and as such, a similar question is implied for those of us who have expressed similar views. And, as such, I would say the question is somewhat offensive, with sister substituting for daughter (don't have one) or mother (buried her a year ago).

The offense may not be obvious to one who would feel the need to ask the question. The notion that I might not care about family is a point that might be considered offensive, but one imagines that's just a barb, and not a serious question mark. What is more clearly offensive, is the set of assumptions that seem to be implicit in the question. First off, that the women in question are supposed to be toy dolls to which things are done (note the passive), rather than people who experience things and respond to them (note the active). Second, that the women in question are automatically going to accede, rather than exemplifying the Gorean value of defiance. Having seen my sister get on her feet and run back up a flight of stairs she was thrown down to pummel the older boy who threw her down, eventually wearing him out and then going medieval on him, I would say there's a fair chance the guy in question would find himself half a dick shorter. Third, that I would want someone outside the family to interfere. The simple fact of the matter is that unless she was killed, in which case the man would be in custody, his identity known, she would call. And we'd know who to look for. And he would find three immediate relatives waiting for him on the pier, which he would be leaving in one or more body bags. Fourth, the notion that such an event would somehow transform her into a damaged woman, traumatized into perpetual victimhood, again suggests an all too western weakness. Women have survived rape for millenia without becoming broken toys afterwards. The modern victim culture has not infected all women, believe it or not.

Would I be pissed off? You betcha.
But at the perp, not the cruise ship, nor the government.
I would also be quite aware of the statistical unlikelihood of such an event.

If I get struck by lightning, should I campaign to have domes erected over every city to protect people from lightning strikes?

I mean, after all, it happens, and it sucks, right?

Bleh.

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RE: Pussy Nation - 7/1/2009 8:46:19 PM   
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RE: Pussy Nation - 7/1/2009 8:51:38 PM   
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Pussy nation brings Aswad back!

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RE: Pussy Nation - 7/2/2009 12:21:56 AM   
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Here I was hoping someone had finally set up the perfect banana republic in the middle of sunny nowhere, replete with complementary kajirae on arrival and all expenses paid, then it just turns out to be about nations of pussies (I suspect everything beyond "nations" is redundant, at this point, but, oh, well).

I did have a "perfect" plan for a city state, but then I realized the climate would be unappealing, on top of everyone prolly being pretty invested in whatever home they currently have. Too invested to commit to a long term participation in making a naturalistic culture a reality in the only way it ever happens. Oh, well, back to the drawing board...

Which brings us back to a nation of pussies, I believe the topic was...

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RE: Pussy Nation - 7/2/2009 5:17:50 AM   
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-rofl-

Here I was hoping someone had finally set up the perfect banana republic in the middle of sunny nowhere, replete with complementary kajirae on arrival and all expenses paid, then it just turns out to be about nations of pussies (I suspect everything beyond "nations" is redundant, at this point, but, oh, well).

I did have a "perfect" plan for a city state, but then I realized the climate would be unappealing, on top of everyone prolly being pretty invested in whatever home they currently have. Too invested to commit to a long term participation in making a naturalistic culture a reality in the only way it ever happens. Oh, well, back to the drawing board...

Which brings us back to a nation of pussies, I believe the topic was...

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Im sure Pussy Nation has a spot for your enclave in the Pussy Nation Penal Colony!

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RE: Pussy Nation - 12/21/2009 11:26:44 AM   
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Strong, free thinking, fair minded folks are after all, much more difficult to control than sheeple.


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RE: Pussy Nation - 12/25/2009 2:29:35 PM   
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This thread is ancient history, though; why'd you ressurect it to introduce a superfluous conspiracy where mere human nature will readily account for the observable facts?

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