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Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/13/2006 6:07:06 PM

taliaTW

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"Some men enjoy owning educated slaves and some do not." Kajira of Gor Pg 411

Would a man want an uneducated or illiterate slave?

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"The intelligence and sensitivity of many women actually tends to blossom in bondage, finding within it the apt environment for its expression, for its flowering. This may have to do with such matters as the release of inhibitions, happiness, fulfillment, and such." Magicians of Gor Pg 194

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"Slavery has many effects on a woman, he said, It softens her, it enhances her beauty, it gives her a profound sense of herself, it fulfills her, it increases, considerably, her sexual responsiveness, it increases a thousandfold her capabilities to love, but one effect it does not have, it does not reduce her intelligence.”
Witness of Gor Pg 311

We would probably like to think that slavery does not reduce a girl’s intelligence, and maybe it doesn’t, but I am sure that during my early adjustment period in Master’s collar, my emotions, and my actions, surely made it seem like I had lost my mind.

The mere fact that her slavery softens her, increases her capability for love, and helps release her inhibition, may all be well and good, but the flip side of the coin is her “profound sense of herself”. With this new sense of self, does pride come? Arrogance? Or a belief that she is indispensable? Irreplaceable? How does her intelligence help her during all this?

Does a man enjoy debating with his slaves and challenging their intelligence? Does he worry that she will run ahead with her new found feelings? Is that a necessary evil before he can yank her back by the tether to her place at his feet?

Sometimes, I think my emotions play a big part in my intelligence. Things I know to be true, do not seem so true when Master heightens my “sense of self”.

Just my thoughts,

talia

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/13/2006 6:20:01 PM

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Emotions carry no intelligence.

If they were the same thing they would have the same name.

Many people have constant experience in intelligence (Ja, don't say it guys; but we can agree at some level...........)

most people have no constant experience in emotion...........

Lotta room for disagreement here............but the majority gets the gimmick, I think.

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/13/2006 6:25:56 PM

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/13/2006 6:28:38 PM

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"Some men enjoy owning educated slaves and some do not." Kajira of Gor Pg 411

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Would a man want an uneducated or illiterate slave?

Because most slavery is manual labour at the lowest level, most instruction is of the "monkey see; monkey do" type and limited to the specific tasks needed. Education often creates needs and desires that foster rebellion.

By keeping the slave population illiterate, the master class eliminates a major way that they can communicate and therefore maintains the pluralistic ignorance that is required to maintain the slavery. Most slave uprisings fail because the slaves cannot coordinate their attacks and other slaves, even on nearby estates, are kept in ignorance of an uprising until after it has been crushed.

Of course, this only refers to historical and present real-world slavery.

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/13/2006 6:40:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren
Of course, this only refers to historical and present real-world slavery.

Or farmers, or the middle class in general; really.....

It's a trade-off pure and simple don't you think, John?

Kinda like Spock,i.e
Do for the common good
or do for self-interest?,
It is what side we fall on.......
mostly.......and I know some of you puke on your shoes when I say this.........

A distinction without a difference........

Yoda-ing,

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/13/2006 11:42:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: taliaTW

"Some men enjoy owning educated slaves and some do not." Kajira of Gor Pg 411

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Would a man want an uneducated or illiterate slave?

Because most slavery is manual labour at the lowest level, most instruction is of the "monkey see; monkey do" type and limited to the specific tasks needed. Education often creates needs and desires that foster rebellion.

By keeping the slave population illiterate, the master class eliminates a major way that they can communicate and therefore maintains the pluralistic ignorance that is required to maintain the slavery. Most slave uprisings fail because the slaves cannot coordinate their attacks and other slaves, even on nearby estates, are kept in ignorance of an uprising until after it has been crushed.

Of course, this only refers to historical and present real-world slavery.

In fact John, according to a number of learned gentlemen of my aquaintance in the Catholic Church who wear either the purple or the red, the Church has for a long time divided their followers into the "Masses" and the "Inteligencia" with whome many of the philisophical and practicalities of the Faith and Church organization could be discussed as well as discecting the Mass itself and admutt the huge Pagan input etc... generally the pesant masses were ill educated and illiterate or at best semi literate and thus it was necessary to show a concentrated front giving them little alternative but to take on faith all which was told them. Funy how Political parties by and large try to do the same thing with their constituants albeit with out the intelligence, experience and manipulative prowess that the Princes of the Church have perfected over centuries in Rome. On the other hand, Polititions have perfected treating people like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed horse shit), and so many silly buggers swallow all the horse shit they are fed.

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/14/2006 4:16:28 AM

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Would a man want an uneducated or illiterate slave?

Want her for what?

If you have a job that needs doing that requires neither education nor literacy then such a slave would be just fine. If you have only one slave, and you happen to be both educated and literate yourself and one of the ways that you envision a girl serving you is by providing stimulating discourse, then no, she probably wouldn't be. Something that you have to remember when reading those books is that they describe a world where slavery does not necessarily (or even usually) equal romantic involvement, even though it might include sexual involvement and (likely) forms of discipline that readers of this board would associate with B&D or SM.

When someone hires Maria, the illegal from El Salvador (who is neither literate nor educated) to cook their meals and do their laundry for some subsistance wage they are doing pretty much the same thing that an ancient greek did when they bought a girl in the market and brought her home to do the same tasks. Only the economic model has changed. The actual interpersonal relationship hasn't all that much. No, Maria isn't (usually) used sexually at her master's (I mean employer's) whim, and no she isn't (usually) beaten if she does a sub-standard job. Other than that, she's there to keep the house, and she's treated exactly as what she is; someone who is there to keep the house.

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Does a man enjoy debating with his slaves and challenging their intelligence?

He does if she has something to say that is both pleasing and interesting to him. One of the things that I often require of a girl is to read the news (from whatever source) and present the events of the day to me (from memory) when I come in from work. I oftern require her to offer her opinion about at least one of the current events in the news. In this way a girl is taught (mostly through trial and error) to offer her master the service of a stimulating conversation. If she is in fact an intelligent girl, she will not only have insights into events that are genuinely interesting, but she will also learn which avenues of inquiry are of interest to her master, and which are not. She will learn this by the times that she is engaged in conversation, as opposed to the times when she is simply dismissed.

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Does he worry that she will run ahead with her new found feelings? Is that a necessary evil before he can yank her back by the tether to her place at his feet?

A man has nothing to fear from the development of the emotions or the intellect of a slave. She may, at any given point in the development of either, be more or less at odds with her master's understanding of the world, and therefore, what she has to say might be more or less pleasing or interesting to him. It's a process, but is no harder than one chooses to make it. A well trained girl is on her knees at a word from her master. She can be engaged, or dismissed, with a word as well. Over time, if a man requires nothing less than to be pleased with his girl, she will learn how. Human females are pretty good at that.

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/14/2006 5:17:52 AM

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In fact John, according to a number of learned gentlemen of my aquaintance in the Catholic Church who wear either the purple or the red, the Church has for a long time divided their followers into the "Masses" and the "Inteligencia" with whome many of the philisophical and practicalities of the Faith and Church organization could be discussed as well as discecting the Mass itself and admutt the huge Pagan input etc... generally the pesant masses were ill educated and illiterate or at best semi literate and thus it was necessary to show a concentrated front giving them little alternative but to take on faith all which was told them.

For over a thousand years, the Catholic Church insisted that the only "true bible" was written in Latin (amusing since the original texts were mostly in Greek) and executed anyone translating it into a "common" tongue. One of my favorite stories in this vein was about John Wycliffe, an Oxford scholar, who translated parts of the bible into English. After he died, the pope ordered his bones dug up and burned. They didn't wait in the case of Wycliffe's student, John Hus. They burned him alive with English bibles used as kindling.

Those old boys played rough!

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/14/2006 9:01:25 AM

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it sound so painful that she a slave can be just by one word by chase away what of wither feelings ?does a master a of gorean feel no pain of this is a love interst or does he strong nature make him not feel anything at all. i felt pain just now i can see in my minds eyes the picture of this and what she will do after all of the training and learning he has given her.where will she go after this,? and all other know of her shame and not want to be near her?willl she have time to say good bye to the others who have become her friiends? who will take care of her.i see this as so harsh and from what i read of the gorean men you teach you slave so much they learn from you all they will know.who'svoice will she follow now.for a slave which have two they follow my every word and will do all i tell them nothing ever bad but how to clean and cook i always alwa=y have taken slaves who are will read and can speak to me at my level i am a stamp collector for many years i teach ,my slave all i know. they i know would be so defeated and lost without my way to help them but they can learn to live without me but the pain is so harsh , one thing does anyone take time to help them and i heard youhave many of the gorean men watching the woman who areslave stay in line? is thie true but i do have a heart of kindness but i do understand of a slave does wrong she or he must go, i amable to do this too but i still feel a sense of deep sorrow for once ithought i could be a slave my trust is not enough.maybe that is why i feel a strong sense of sorrow

with wishes and oh happen valintine day

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/14/2006 9:16:39 AM

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I have a girl at my feet.. I know that with a mere glance I can have her disolve into tears of misery or cry with happiness. Does this please me? Bolldy oath it does for this as how it should be. She will know that I am neither a cruel man nor one who will be swayed by any feelings pf pity. If she displeases me, she will know and her pain and anguish at being displeasing to her Master is mostly sufficient punishment. If she, on the other hand, she pleases me, my responce and perhaps a smile or just a thank you will tell her that she is found pleasing. At my pleasure I may reward her with a treat or somethging special but tis is never to be expected. At the end of the day she should be content in the knowledge that she is mine, that I love her for herself and that she is cared for and protected. It may be in acord with me to listen and take note of her feelings (mostly as part of the learning process of my knowing her inside out), however I will dismiss her and her feelings if I deem it to be thus. The one thing she will know is that I will not be swayed or manipulated by her feelings or emotions and to make such an attempt would be a fast wat wo be shown the boundaries of my Home.

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Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and Determination alone are omnipotent!
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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/14/2006 10:10:04 AM

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Tal and greetings
It is true that for the most part slaves were a cheap source of manpower for phyiscal work. However in the Roman Empire era, slaves were trained and educated to do various trade and technical work. At on point there were so many slaves performing work in Rome that every other day was a Labor Holiday for the Free Roman Workers. Slaves in some incidents earned their Masters trust and respect, they became Diplomates and Minsters with alot of authority and power. Others slaves became Generals in the Leigon. For me, personally I like a slave with beauty and brains.

I wish you well

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RE: Intelligence vs Emotions - 2/14/2006 10:34:51 AM

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Thank you all for your replies.

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