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What does "Gorean" mean? - 2/14/2006 3:55:29 PM   
Agaib


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Excuse me if this sounds like a dumb question. I'm new to this little subculture of BDSM and I havn't a clue what "Gorean" means. Please excuse my ignorance.
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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 2/14/2006 4:10:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Agaib

Excuse me if this sounds like a dumb question. I'm new to this little subculture of BDSM and I havn't a clue what "Gorean" means. Please excuse my ignorance.


Hi there :)

The Gorean lifesyle and/or philosophy is not generally thought of (by Goreans) a little subculture (or even a big subculture) of BDSM but rather a stand-alone philosophy that can (and does) exist without BDSM. There are some Goreans, however, who do enjoy M/s relationships, Bondage, Discipline, and SM but those things in themselves do not make or break their "Goreanness."

If you are interested, I would suggest taking some time to read this board. There have been several threads that start with "What is Gor?" or "What is Gorean?" etc. If you have a deep interest (something more than a passing curiosity) then I would also suggest reading book one of John Norman's Gorean novels and working your way through the books from there.

If you seek those posts out, you will find helpful information. If you read the books, you can interpret it for yourself.

Well wishes to you!

-Cav's ally

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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 2/14/2006 5:53:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: allyC


quote:

ORIGINAL: Agaib

Excuse me if this sounds like a dumb question. I'm new to this little subculture of BDSM and I havn't a clue what "Gorean" means. Please excuse my ignorance.


Hi there :)

The Gorean lifesyle and/or philosophy is not generally thought of (by Goreans) a little subculture (or even a big subculture) of BDSM but rather a stand-alone philosophy that can (and does) exist without BDSM. There are some Goreans, however, who do enjoy M/s relationships, Bondage, Discipline, and SM but those things in themselves do not make or break their "Goreanness."

If you are interested, I would suggest taking some time to read this board. There have been several threads that start with "What is Gor?" or "What is Gorean?" etc. If you have a deep interest (something more than a passing curiosity) then I would also suggest reading book one of John Norman's Gorean novels and working your way through the books from there.

If you seek those posts out, you will find helpful information. If you read the books, you can interpret it for yourself.

Well wishes to you!

-Cav's ally



Tal ally,

I concur

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Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and Determination alone are omnipotent!
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It's all in the game and how you play it!


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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 2/14/2006 6:08:53 PM   
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Tal Agaib,

The Chronicles of Counter Earth is a series of fictional books numbering 26, written by the author John F. Lange, Jr. under the pen-name John Norman between 1967 and 2003. They detail the life and times of one Tarl Cabbot, who is taken to Gor, and there finds a society based on honor, and on natural order. Norman used the books as a bully pulpit to project a particular reactive naturalistic philosophical point of view outward into the world. Starting as early as 1969, people started understanding that the books were less science ficton, and more a philosophical point of view to be emulated. Gorean is a philosophical viewpoint in reactive naturalism derived from the books, and Goreans are those who try to use that philosophy in their own lives. I would like to make it much more mysterious than that, but it really is that simple.

Be well,

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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 2/14/2006 8:29:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedDragonFreehol
I would like to make it much more mysterious than that, but it really is that simple.



what? no smoke and mirrors? ~laughs softly, then, green eyes twinkling a bit~ what a refreshing change of pace. :)

respectfully (if a bit playfully),

mirya

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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 2/15/2006 3:24:02 AM   
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Tal mirya,

Smoke and mirrors would be nice, I guess, but really unnescessary......LOL

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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 2/15/2006 9:37:31 AM   
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quote:

quote:

I would like to make it much more mysterious than that, but it really is that simple.


No no no its not that simple!!
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Stated Combatively!


Thinks about the 16 years of
research and then the 20 years
of black listing and fights for print.
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Even John will tell You that!


Go buy the books and read!! Here start with
witness and support the writers works first hand.
http://www.worldofgor.com/market/autographed.asp
http://www.rdrop.com/users/wyvern/john.norman.html



< Message edited by ModeratorEleven -- 2/15/2006 9:42:12 AM >


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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 4/19/2006 2:55:12 AM   
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Gor of course means "Home Stone" 

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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 4/19/2006 10:12:14 AM   
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Tal Agaib,

For starters, most Goreans do not consider themselves a subset of BDSM, or more to the point, the community known by that moniker.  Many of us do have contact with the BDSM community in our area, but we do not share a like mind on most things.  While technically, the Gorean lifestyle, at least when practiced with slaves in a household, is a subset of the Master/slave paradigm, it differs from the practice of M/s in the BDSM community in several very significant ways.

First, our focus is on the philosophy presented in the Gor novels by John Norman.  We are Gorean, and live by the philosphy, whether or not we have slaves.  Many Goreans are completely Gorean, and alone, or they live their lives with a Free Companion and no slaves.

Second, the BDSM community, as it has evolved over the past decade, has become increasingly focused on SM scene play, and the sexuality of sado-masochism.  Goreans are not focused in that arena, and can never be focused there.  Our focus is on understanding that there is nature, and that there is an order to that nature, and that part of that natural order is the dominance of men over the submission of women.  We need not abjectively enslave a woman to achieve that order of nature, and many of us live very "vanilla" lives aside from the established, and often very strict, gender based hierarchy in our houses.

Third, when we do engage in activities that appear to be superficially based in BDSM, they are usually differently focused.  I have three slaves.  They are disciplined, and punished, but not because they get some kinky thrill from it.  It is behavior modification from behaviors that are unacceptable to me, and sometimes dangerous to them, into a behavioral form that is both acceptable to me, and not dangerous to them.  It has everything to do with understanding the application of real discipline to real behavior in real time in order to modify behavior along lines in keeping with the philosophy, and in improving women so that they can experience the fullness of their emotionality and sexuality as females instead of the pseudo males that are spawned by feminism and humanist thought in the external society.

Goreans try very hard to be philosophically correct, and true to the underlying tenets of the philosophy.  We do not live the fantasy of the books.  The fantasy is there only to make the books readable.  Most of the characters, places, even the flora and fauna in the books are iconic representations of the external world, there to make points and arguements in favor of the natural world, and the natural order as Norman saw it.

Be well,







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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 4/19/2006 10:23:11 AM   
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Tal Gingerlee,

Bad idea to have anyone start at the end.  Best to go buy the books used, and start by reading Tarnsman.  The first 9 books are pivotal as they chronicle the Gorean becoming of Tarl Cabbot, and illustrate how Tarl started out as a very Earth man who was transported to Gor, only to find that those ideas instilled in him by virtue of his Earthly upbringing were not so easy to overcome.  Tarl started as most of us start, understanding only superficially what it was to be Gorean, and learning along the way what was truely Gorean as illustrated in Tarnsman by his verbalization that if there was one thing he would change about Gorean culture it would be the institution of slavery, and ending with his vow in the beginning of Book 9 to eradicate those "weaknesses" which still existed in him that were of Earth.

My point being that there is a progression in the books that needs to be maintained for some understanding to take place.  You do not get that progression if you jump around, and read one book here, and one book there, as many slaves do when they pick just those books that deal with slaves (Captive, Slavegirl, and Kajira), and read those.

Also, I know Norman's history, and I am not in any way denying that it has been a long and tortuous road for him.  His ideas are unpopular in the feminist and humanistic society that exists outside our doors, and that society has done everything in its power to still his voice.  Fortunately, there are now many voices that have been added to his, and we will not be stilled.

Be well,


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RE: What does "Gorean" mean? - 4/22/2006 9:45:22 PM   
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quote:

Bad idea to have anyone start at the end.
I disagree Omega.
The end is whats financially still supporting the Writer. Not His first 24 books.
Call Me sentimental, I still feel that in order to appreciate Gor You must first
appreciate its Creator.  ThankYou for Your opinion Omega.

And ThankYou Iron for Your post as well.


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