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NorthernGent -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/6/2009 12:09:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

If a Gorean man is found to be superior to another man.........it will be do to practical demonstration........It is the self important nature of a few



Yes and perhaps a self-proclaimed superiority based on rules one has conceived for everyone is akin to self-importance.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

I would guess we will have to wait for the historical perspective to see if these politicians were truly stronger than the likes of me. I will say they seem more adept at sheep herding than I.



I will say that it is ultimately self-defeating to disregard the qualities of such people.

Yeah they're capable of pulling a few strings here and there but there is far more in their armoury.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Opinions seem to run that way now. But it always seems easy to deny those unable to defend their position.



Yes - as per dear old Neville and your commentary.

It's a long old story when it comes to Hitler and German history so I'l leave it there for another day.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

too late discovered the errors in their unconditional measures levied against the German people.



I wouldn't spend too much time crying about the Germans - they imposed more harsh measures on the Russians in 1917 and on the French in 1870. What goes around eh...... I would imagine the German people should have taken this with dignity and honour as a reciprocal exchange of harsh measures.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

But frankly I am finding your comments and pragmatic interpretations to be little more than condescending,



You'll cope Bull.



MrNicko -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/11/2009 10:40:36 PM)

Sounds like way too many people thinking too much again !



Audaciter -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 1:13:36 PM)

My only perspective on the Gorean philosophy are the posts in this thread so far. This being said, it seems to me that The Gorean mindset is almost akin to libertarianism. Libertarianism is a "self rule" mindset focused on freedom and self actualization...but a mindset that  focuses on equality as well...at least in our founding fathers here in the US. This is a mindset which I possess.

Even as a submissive. I believe that all authority...political or otherwise is merely a disguise for naked force. In Gorean philosophy as you understand it, is it looked down upon for those who posses force to refrain from using it if it violates anothers freedom? is that seen as softness? I understand that this is a highly Individualistic phylosophy, but if my personal "code" or set of morals dictates that i respect others freedom by limiting my own...could that still be considered Gorean...or is it an example of contemptible softness. Keep in mind that those who threaten my own freedom have great need to fear me...or perhaps thats the core of it...anyone has the freedom to reach their own heights...but if that happens to encroach on my personal freedom, I then have the freedom to cut them down to ascend to my own accomplishments...apologetically and without guilt on either part.

If I am completely misunderstanding or mangling Gorean philosophy, let me know. I am in search of understanding, and I beleive the best way to attain it is to question people who practice a philosophy, not necessarily those who began it.



Audaciter -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 1:24:14 PM)

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or perhaps thats the core of it...anyone has the freedom to reach their own heights...but if that happens to encroach on my personal freedom, I then have the freedom to cut them down to ascend to my own accomplishments...apologetically and without guilt on either part.



That was supposed to be unapologetically and without guilt on either part



BitaTruble -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 2:17:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Audaciter

If I am completely misunderstanding or mangling Gorean philosophy, let me know. I am in search of understanding, and I beleive the best way to attain it is to question people who practice a philosophy, not necessarily those who began it.


What are you going to think when one person says, "Yes, you are spot on," and another says, "No, you are clueless," and a third says, "You're a man and a submissive? Get the hell out of here!" As long as you're willing to let someone else tell you what it's all about, it doesn't really matter what they tell you because you're not going to know the difference anyway.

If you are in search of understanding, read the books. If you want to learn, read the books. If you want to 'know', read the books. If, after you have read the books you then have questions, this is a good place to talk things over but until you've made the effort to learn, no one is likely to teach you, so.. read the books.



Malkinius -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 3:43:10 PM)

Greetings Audaciter....

The author of the books is both a Libertarian as well as a PhD in Philosophy. Yes, both things shaped the philosophy of the books.

Be well....

Malkinius



Audaciter -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 5:49:41 PM)

I never said I would not read them... Though i can understand your consternation if you think I would neglect to do so. Is it hard to understand an eagerness to learn? or is it mistaken for laziness on my part? I expressed that my preferred method of learning was to gain a fluid understanding via others perspectives. this by no means means that it will be my ONLY method of learning. Effective philosophies should be able to be adapted to best suit those who follow it...and often are. As for letting "somebody else tell me what it's all about" ...well i can listen to your perspective...and choose to ignore it, or integrate it into my personal beliefs as i see fit. But only I can choose what my beliefs are. Why wouldn't I want a plethora of ideals, beliefs, and opinions to choose from? Its like going to a resteraunt that has only cheeseburgers on the menu...I think they are delicious, but there are better tasting foods , many of which can be integrated with the cheeseburger for a more nourishing meal.
plus, few here leave their opinions as short as Spot on! or No you are clueless. I am an example of that myself. The more in depth the answer the more I learn about the philosophy...and the more I learn about the type of person that follows shuch a philosophy. Which is very important to me. If those following This philosophy live contrary to how i wish to live, why delve further? So far i like the responses I have recieved. they bespeak confidence, intelligence and frankness. Those are characteristics that i possess, and strive to further develop.

As to the incredulity that I could be a man and a submissive...well that is somebody's perspective...and I may integrate or ignore it as i wish.
I wish you the best BitaTruble, and thank you for your opinions . They helped open an understanding to the obvious importance of these writings for this philosophy, and to you personally. I doubt you would be so vehement on the subject if they weren't powerful in what they communicate.




Audaciter -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 6:16:35 PM)

Well met Malkinius! the courtesy of your response is refreshing

I thought I recognized the undertones of libertarianism...and i would certainly hope anybody responsible for an entire philosophy at least made the effort to study the subject. A PHD in the field lends these books monstrous credibility in my eyes...as do the Libertarian influences.  I will read them, and hopefully share and discuss the ideals communicated within. Every philosophy has multiple interpretations so i look foreword to exploring it.
I wish you well

Jeremy



BitaTruble -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 6:42:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Audaciter

As to the incredulity that I could be a man and a submissive...well that is somebody's perspective...and I may integrate or ignore it as i wish.


::chuckles::

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I wish you the best BitaTruble,

Thank you! Feel free to call me Celeste or just Bita. I do have a preference for my own name, but I'll answer to either one.


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and thank you for your opinions .


I didn't actually put forth any opinions, I just gave you some advice.

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They helped open an understanding to the obvious importance of these writings for this philosophy, and to you personally.


I'm not a Gorist. I have an academic curiousity about philosophy in general, and Gor is simply a subset of that interest. Nothing more than that, I'm afraid. I have done my homework on the subject pursuant to that interest and that's about as far as it goes. I would be a terrible kajira. ::laughs::

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I doubt you would be so vehement on the subject if they weren't powerful in what they communicate.


I simply offered you advice - sound advice at that. Don't read too much into it. What Gor communicates or does not communicate and how powerful that communication is will be up to you decide.

Welcome to boards.



Audaciter -> RE: Gorean Philosophy (7/21/2009 7:53:27 PM)

Well thank you Celeste, for the...warm, reception :-) its nice to meet somebody who is open to studying new philosophies and ideas. 



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